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Slashback: Benchmarks, Sobig, Blob

Slashback is back, with more this time around on NASA's G5 benchmarks, an in-depth look at the Sobig.E virus, an update on the Internet Book List (growing rapidly), the fate of both the Microsoft-purchased Virtual PC and one very unlucky sperm whale, and more. Read on for the details.

A good excuse to file purchase orders, too. Eug writes "Writing in this Ars thread, Craig Hunter of NASA gives details about his much-quoted dual-G5 Power Mac benchmarks listed here. This should answer some of the questions posed around the net about the methodology and potentially the validity of his benchmarks."

The lines between viruses and spam is thin enough already. Joe Stewart writes "There have been a lot of news stories lately about how Sobig and spam are tied together. I actually revealed this in a paper two months ago. Now with the widespread Sobig.e, it seems to have become a topic again. However, the major antivirus companies have once again left out the whole story - most of them currently rate Sobig.e as 'low damage.' This is because they haven't fully understood how the real payload of Sobig.e is delivered. I've written a followup paper describing the entire mechanism that Sobig.e uses to facilitate spam, identity theft and bank fraud. Sobig has evolved, and it is much harder to stop than before."

Is this the beginning of a long goodbye? inertia@yahoo.com writes "Microsoft has updated their Mactopia Web Site to include a section on Virtual PC. It's taken them since February 2003 to do this. On the site, they mention, 'In August 2003, Virtual PC for Mac will be available through standard Microsoft channels of distribution.' So it looks like they aren't killing it after all."

Simplicity itself is a nice ideal. webword writes "Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark is now available online. As you might recall, Joe was interviewed on Slashdot back in December. Good stuff if you care about accessibility."

Not yet billions and billions served, but getting there. nzilla writes "The Internet Book List, which announced its creation earlier this year on /. has now reached 10,000+ entries and is still going strong. The Internet Book List (IBList) strives to be the IMDb of books. IBList is maintained exclusively by volunteers around the world."

Girlfriends drive strange endeavors. ceejayoz writes "This interesting article on MSNBC.com details the Degree Confluence Project - a project to gather a photographic record of the points on Earth where latitude and longitude lines meet. The article has links to some of the more interesting points. The project's website also has an interesting map showing all the completed confluence points."

We mentioned this project quite some time ago, and it's progressed quite a bit since then.

Uh, sir, you have some blubber on your collar there. Scoria writes "Chilean scientists have determined that a 12-meter mass of flesh discovered recently on a Pacific beach is actually a sperm whale, not an obscure 'giant octopus' as many researchers speculated. Scientists performing research at the Museum of Natural History in Santiago were the first to develop this conclusion after observing the presence of dermal glands unique to the species."

Code that pays tribute to the money in television. mondainx writes "Following(?) in the footsteps of Linksys, Tivo has made their source available for versions 2.0 through 4.0. Get the GPL source here. Sweet!"

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  1. And in other news... by Zeddicus_Z · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...a shattered bowl of petunias was found close by the splattered sperm whale. Police are treating the death of the petunias as suspicious.

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    1. Re:And in other news... by JWSmythe · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Oh no, not again."

      {crash}

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    2. Re:And in other news... by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 4, Informative
      I don't get it. What is this a reference to?
      The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy book series, by Douglas Adams, of course! Do please purchase or borrow copies and read them, won't you? Alternatively you can listen to the BBC radio show version that came out before the books did. When you find yourself sufficiently mesmerised, be sure to visit the BBC's online shrine to the series, the man behind the series, and generally all things pan-galactic in nature.
  2. VPC by darkov · · Score: 5, Funny

    '... Virtual PC for Mac will be available through standard Microsoft channels of distribution.' So it looks like they aren't killing it after all.

    No, they're just going to mediocre it to death.

  3. Zealots! All of you! by Valar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hm. I wonder how long until some /. arm-chair technologist declares NASA a facist-Mac-worshipping-zealot organization. Maybe he/she will top it off by saying, "Well, if they really do use macs, I have trouble believing they could have possibly landed on the moon."

  4. Where is everyone? by blate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I found odd about the confluence points was that almost none of them where in populated areas. It just seems a little strange.

    I guess it just goes to show that no matter how overpopulated the world seems, there is still a lot of wide-open space out there.

    1. Re:Where is everyone? by Eevee · · Score: 5, Funny

      In Mary Pride's book The Way Home, she calculated that you could give every person in the world 2,000 square feet (which is larger than most homes) and everyone would fit into the state of Texas.

      Yeah, but you'd really, really have to hate everyone in the world to put them all in Texas.

    2. Re:Where is everyone? by deranged+unix+nut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If I calculated it right, given 724 square feet each, the current world's population could fit in California.

      Let's see, California covers 163707 square miles.
      census.gov reports that the world population clock for 7/1/03 is 6302486693

      6302486693 / 163707 = 38498.57 people per square mile (of california).
      1 mile = 5280 feet
      1 square mile = 27878400 square feet.
      27878400 / 38498.57 = 724.14 square feet per person.

      Although that doesn't give much space for growing food.

      The United States covers 3618770 square miles...

      That puts us at 1741.6 people per square mile, or give each person a measly 16007 square feet. Anyone think that they could be entirely self-sustaining inside of a box 400 feet by 400 feet? Including food production and sewer? That isn't much larger than the average city block.

      Now, this is assuming that the entire world is stuffed into the area of the united states, and all of the area, including Alaska is used, so much of that area is not very habitable.

      Saying that everyone can FIT into a place is much different from saying that we have too large a population for the natural resources to sustain. And the sustainability all depends on how we use those resources....do we buy computers that use 9 square meters of raw materials per ounce of silicon wafer (if I remember right), or do we use products that can be produced with minimal environmental impact?

  5. Well of course ... by SuperDuG · · Score: 4, Interesting
    However, the major antivirus companies have once again left out the whole story - most of them currently rate Sobig.e as 'low damage.'

    Of course they do, they didn't make this one. It's almost obsurd to think that there isn't some tie between anti-virus and virus creators. It may seem a little far fetched, but what better way to keep yourself in business than to make new business. Just like the mob ... some places would call this extortion, here we call it "Virus Protection"... guess if you call it something more than "Protection" it makes it okay.

    The motive behind this virus was simple, spam blocking has actually gotten to be a threat to spammers, so what better way than relaying spam through innocent windows boxes on the internet. Though who knows maybe there's an unmarked envelope of cash sitting waiting for them. Or hell, maybe symantec didn't think they weren't making enough money and decided to take a little something from the spam industry to get a bonus for new sales.

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  6. What about Virtual PC for Windows? by corebreech · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Virtual PC for Windows is indispensible. I do so many great things with it...
    • running Linux and BSD
    • testing code on different Windows versions
    • having Virtual PC create an entire network of machines on my desktop so I can do network development
    • sandboxing weird code I might get over the Internet
    • justifying having lots and lots of RAM
    • etc.

    If they kill it, or more likely, make it so I can't run non-MS OS's, I will be severely bummed.

    OTOH, if they kill it, I will be tempted to pay the big bucks and go with VMWare and host it using Linux.

    And then deal with the fact that I don't get to play as many games. Sigh.
  7. Wow.. it took MS as long as they said it would! by jbuilder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Microsoft has updated their Mactopia Web Site to include a section on Virtual PC. It's taken them since February 2003 to do this.


    From the Connectix Aquisition FAQ:


    Q: What is the duration of the transition period after this transaction?
    A: The transition period is approximately six months from today (February 20, 2003).


    Imagine that. Microsoft said it would take six months and it took *looking at my calendar* six months! So what was there to complain about?

    Reading comprehension, gang. It's a good thing! Just think, if JWZ had that ability, he wouldn't have had that nasty little toothbrush problem!!
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  8. That's about as fair as it gets re: G5 speed. by SlashChick · · Score: 5, Informative

    Craig does seem to be about as fair as he can be regarding the G5 benchmarks he posted. If you read the whole thread, you will see that he used several different methodologies (compiler options and various compilers, mostly) to optimize both the P4 and G5 code.

    Here are Craig's final numbers, as posted on Ars's website:

    dual G4-1GHz Xserve (single CPU only): 105
    dual G4-1GHz Xserve (both CPUs): 207
    dual G4-1.25GHz PowerMac (single CPU only): 129
    dual G4-1.25GHz PowerMac (both CPUs): 256
    dual G5-2GHz PowerMac (single CPU only): 254
    dual G5-2GHz PowerMac (both CPUs): 498
    single P4 2GHz: 192
    single P4 2.66GHz: 255
    single P4 3.2GHz (extrapolated): 307

    These numbers seem entirely reasonable to me. A single G5/2GHz G5 is approximately equivalent to a single P4/2.66GHz. This rings true to me -- Intel has never been known to squeeze every last bit of performance out of every chip, instead opting to continually push for higher and higher raw MHz. Thus, on a purely MHz/performance basis, Apple wins (as has been the case for years.)

    However, in the dual-processor arena, things get muddier. Intel should have dual 3.4GHz Xeons by the time Apple's G5s are shipping. In raw performance, based on these numbers, the Xeon will have an edge over the G5. Plus, it will be priced lower... I priced a dual Xeon 2.4GHz with 1GB of RAM and a 120GB hard drive for a company that is buying a game server from us, and even with a 1U form factor (which is more expensive than a standard desktop case), the price came to $1705... a bit more than half the cost of the dual G5/2.0GHz. There is no question that the dual Xeon will outperform the G5 both in terms of raw performance and cost. The P4, however, doesn't have much edge over the G5 except for the cost.

    For most of us, who are probably sitting on machines around 1-2GHz, almost all of the machines above, including the P4/2.66 and a single G5, will be a healthy upgrade. Despite Apple's high price point, I for one am happy to see them get back into the game... and I'm happy to see Intel have some real competition. A big thanks to Craig for doing the benchmarks... I'm sure this is just the first of many arguments about which machine is better!

    1. Re:That's about as fair as it gets re: G5 speed. by Rura+Penthe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, in scalar FP. If you vectorize this same app then the G5 trounces everything by nearly 10x. Of course only scientific applications (and very few of those at that) can really be vectorized in that fashion. :) But if you're doing vector fluid dynamics calculations you can't beat any machine with Altivec!

  9. Re:Poor Sperm Whales by Xeger · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, I've heard it was sailors who first gave the sperm whale its interesting name.

    The sperm whale has a huge reservoir of liquid in its head, with an oily sheen and a translucent, pale white color. The liquid solidifies under pressure (when the whale dives); current scientific thinking has it that the change in the liquid's density helps the whale adjust its buoyancy.

    When early whaling crews first killed one of the beasties and slit it open, they encountered the oily stuff in its head but didn't know what it was....being sex-starved sailors, they jumped to conclusions, called the substance spermaceti, and named the whale after his unique feature: gallons and gallons of sperm in its head!

  10. sobig and danger ratings by jeffy124 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    AV firms are probably giving that virus a low rating because it lacks damage to the actual computer, meaning it doesnt delete/corrupt data. I think AV companies need to add a "Societal Threat:" field to viruses. In which case sobig is "highly dangerous."

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  11. IBList Automation by heli0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems that for each book they have: Title, Year, Author, Synopsis, Language, ISBN# and Genre. It seems there are already sites out there *cough*Amazon*cough* where a bot could scour this information for millions of titles.

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  12. Re:Poor Sperm Whales by bad_fx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey, at least they didn't blow it up.

  13. Bad Compilers for Apple G5 by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Craig Hunter of NASA gives details about his much-quoted dual-G5 Power Mac benchmarks listed here.

    When you read his latest comments he notes that several Fortran compilers gave faulty results, some depending on optimizations selected. THIS IS SCARY, to say the least. Even years ago I knew of C code that broke for no known reason when optimizations were selected.

    What does it take to start a /. article about faulty compilers. This ought to be a big deal.

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  14. Re:Whales by RollingThunder · · Score: 4, Informative

    They die, they bloat from rotting, they float for a while (the skin is really tough) until they finally rupture. The fatty chunks that washed up are all that's left by that point.

  15. ISBN.nu by autopr0n · · Score: 4, Informative

    What about isbn.nu? That site's been around for years and does much the same thing as this booklist site.

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  16. hmmmm by Vilim · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hmmm, I recal Douglas Adams saying something about a sperm whale in the middle of nowhere "As they approached the ridge of higher ground they became aware that it seemed to be circular - a crater about a hundred and fifty yards wide. Round the outside of the crater the sloping ground was spattered with black and red lumps. They stopped and looked at a piece. It was wet. It was rubbery. With horror they suddenly realized that it was fresh whalemeat. At the top of the crater's lip they met Zaphod. "Look," he said, pointing into the crater. In the centre lay the exploded carcass of a lonely sperm whale that hadn't lived long enough to be disappointed with its lot. The silence was only disturbed by the slight involuntary spasms of Trillian's throat. "I suppose there's no point in trying to bury it?" murmured Arthur, and then wished he hadn't. Now, the most logical explanation of this, is that in another dimension Earth was actually Magrathea (sp?) and this sperm whale was dropped out of the sky from the Heart of Gold. It then went through time and dimensions to wind up on earth. See, explains it perfectly :p

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  17. VPC by madsenj37 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft will not kill off VPC for many reasons. 1. It can sell a licensed copy of Windows with every product. They are a software company, so this is good for them. 2. They can limit VPC to use only windows products. This pushes their software over the competitors. 3. They can discontinue products for the mac and make people use VPC for compatability until they are willing to switch over to their platform. Either way, its Microsoft software they are using. 4.They have a way for people/companies to run older Microsoft OSes inside the new ones ... such as running NT inside of Server 2003.

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  18. How about that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Chilean scientists have determined that a 12-meter mass
    of flesh discovered recently on a Pacific beach is actually CmdrTaco.

    See
    What
    I
    Mean?

  19. The IBList by winkydink · · Score: 5, Funny
    The Internet Book List, which announced its creation earlier this year on /. has now reached 10,000+ entries and is still going strong.

    The only problem is that 9,500 of the books are about unicorns or elves.

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  20. Re:Poor Sperm Whales by marko123 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Japanese call them Bukake Whales.

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  21. Re:Poor Sperm Whales by Xeger · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, I'm sure it was natural philosophers who coined the actual term "spermaceti"; the sailors called it jizz or cum or whatever one called the male ejaculate, circa 1600.

    From Thomas Beale's "The Natural History of the Sperm Whale," 1840:

    "What spermaceti is," (says Sir Thomas Brown, in his work published in 1686, third book, chap. xxv. p.139,) "men might justly doubt, since the learned Hofmannus, in his work of thirty years, saith plainly nescio quid sit, and therefore need not wonder at the variety of opinions, while some conceived it to be flos maries, and many a 'bituminous substance floating upon the sea.' That it was not the spawn of the whale, according to vulger conceit or nominal appellation, philosophers have always doubted, not easily conceiving the seminal humour of animals should be inflammable, or of a floating nature.

    So you see, even before sperm were known to people, spermaceti (though probably not known by that name) was considered to be somehow involved with the reproduction of the whale, in much the same way that human semen was known to be involved with the reproduction of humans even though its exact nature was unknown.