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RMS Calls On Linux Developers To Replace BitKeeper

JakusMinimus writes "The developer of BitKeeper has issued fighting words to RMS and he has responded on the LKML,. I remember the flap about this way back when Linus decided on BitKeeper, now it seems many of the non-free concerns were warranted."

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  1. Ego Vs. Ego by Dh2000 · · Score: -1, Troll

    Where are the fistfights and profanity*?

    * Words like: fuck, shit, asshole, fuckless, shitass, and holefucker

  2. Hey RMS!!! by SuperDuG · · Score: -1, Troll
    How's about you quit worrying about what Linus uses for his kernel, and start worrying about what you use for yours!!

    Everyone should really try out the HURD, I hear they just got ISA and IDE support!!

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  3. and Asshat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Where are the fistfights and profanity*?
    * Words like: fuck, shit, asshole, fuckless, shitass, and holefucker
    ...and Asshat...don't forget Asshat.
  4. This WILL end in... by FooBarWidget · · Score: -1, Troll

    ...a huge flamewar against RMS. After all, RMS is one of the, if not the, most hated person on Slashdot.
    I assure you, 40% of the posts will be about how they think RMS is spreading bullshit, 50% will insult RMS personally, and 10% will be the usual goatse/gnaa/whatever flames and trolls.

  5. Re:Jesus Larry McVoy is death CENSORSHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    Silence a comment because you dont agree!

    CENSORSHIP! The ideals of samizdat must now work for the western societies!

    This is just another example of spineless crap moderation here on /. Slashdot has denigrated. The users are little terrorists in thier own right, raising 'jihad' (to use a loser term - understood best by losers) against intellect and those without populist opinions. Your sweaty thirteen year old fingers clicking away on your Microsoft and iMac mice legislating mediocrity. Redundant? Troll? Flamebait? Whatever. Most probably vexing because its true.

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    CENSORSHIP WORKS!

    (*)Note, the word community used often on Slashdot, this is referring to a proto communist commune.

    So, you busy little plebian proletariats, get busy, you have some censoring to do! FUN! Do the bidding of your fat, undisciplined masters who never subject themselves to peer review.

    Good job you little neo-commies. Don't want to hear the other side, shoot the fucker in the head as an ENEMY OF THE STATE [In this case anyone who seeks to improve the sad state of /.].

    A few haikus to commemorate the sucktitude:
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    It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. - Sir Winston Churchill (Especially when your democratic peers twist democracy into a reason commit censorship, to squash dissenting or unpopular opinions, and refer to them as trolls, flaimbait overrated or offtopic when they aren't any of the said)

    Reading Slashdot at anything above -1 is like trying to put a shit filter on your ass.

    Get busy moderating this down, you little pack of obedient prefects of the corrupt state! You are the vanguards of purity, and dissent is not allowed!

    There are an inordinate number of +5 Funnies that wouldn't get a laugh at a hyena ranch. /. it's like what you get with any nonprofit oligarchical organization. They tend to be run like the Chinese Communist Party, i.e., they just can't abide anybody who actually wants to belong to a democratic organization. How many nonprofits hold elections where there's only one candidate? And the reason is simple. They don't want anybody getting into office who actually disagrees with them. They are, after all, agenda based organizations. Sadly, Slashdot leans just far enough in that direction that it's easy to mistake them for Linux/Open Source proponents, anti-MS zealots, believers in the superiority of the engineering mentality, or other related biases. I'm not sure this is more than a perception, but it really wouldn't bother me if someone suggested they change their name to Slantdot.

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  6. Get the facts people and stop trolling.... by botzi · · Score: 0, Troll
    From the original post:
    Your questions indicate one of two things: you either have a burning desire to work on BK itself or a burning desire to copy BK. If it's the former, that's easy, send us a resume and if you are a good engineer we'll hire you, we need good engineers with a solid understanding of file systems, distributed systems, graphs and sets, and/or human interfaces.

    If you are trying to copy BK, give it up. We'll simply follow in the footsteps of every other company faced with this sort of thing and change the protocol every 6 months. Since you would be chasing us you can never catch up. If you managed to stay close then we'd put digital signatures into the protocol to prevent your clone from interoperating with BK.

    The guy is totally in his rights, and RMS is trying to manipulate the text, or at least it seems that way if the person reading his message hadn't read the previous post.

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  7. Re:I vote we replace it with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    You really think any chick you'd want to fist would step foot in that nerd infested dungeon (aka: mom's basement)? At best, you might be able to fist some Cheetoes incrusted, 400 pound, neck bearded, shut-in who smells of sour milk and old socks.

  8. Re:what the hell is bitkeeper, and who the hell ca by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    No, that is cumdumpster.

  9. Wow I ain't never heard them words before! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    fuckless and holefucker?
    Gee...am I behind on the times.... :-(

  10. sigh by larry+bagina · · Score: 1, Troll
    Linux may be GPL, but it's not GNU -- leading to absurdities like "GNU/Linux" and the bitkeeper jack-off sessions.

    While it's true that linux depends on GNU, it's also true that GNU depends on Linux. Linux is "just" a kernel, but it's the most important part (besides the compiler). It's obviously burning up RMS that GNU depends on something which isn't GNU.

    It also has to be frustrating when your baby, TURD (oops, HURD), is a wallflower to the darling Linux.

    I think those people that hate bitkeeper, or make sure you GNUter Linux would be more productive if they worked on HURD instead. The acceptance of Darwin shows that people are interested in microkernels and alternative to alternative OSs.

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  11. Re:Jesus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    EMACS is based off of TMACS which was written by Guy Steele.

    EMACS is not original.

  12. Re:What happened earlier in the thread? by Eric+Ass+Raymond · · Score: 0, Troll
    They don't recall time where you had to pay to get a compiler, to pay to get an operating system, to pay to get manuals.

    I still pay to get a proper compiler (Sun's C/C++ and Fortran, not some underperforming dog like GCC), an operating system (Solaris) and real manuals (not some utterily unsable info-shit).

  13. Re:"Best tool for the job" by gmhowell · · Score: 0, Troll

    That said, a proprietary tool can never be the best for the job if the author/copyright holder is a complete dick. If it was known that the author of BitKeeper was a dick before Linus started using it, then the tool should not have been introduced; regardless, it is clear now that the guy IS a dick, and therefore RMS is absolutely correct in urging the kernel developers to play chicken and either force BK to play nicely with others or shoot the moon and wind up losing its free advertising.

    Here's the match to light my karma on fire:

    Linus is a dick.

    He has few people skills, and comes off nearly as charming as BillG when talking to non-geeks. Linus isn't trained, and doesn't know how to deal with regular human beings. So, he seems like a dick. OTOH, this gives him the freedom to have developed a complete meritocracy. Sure, it ruffles feathers, but most things fall by the wayside when quality rises to the fore.

    Similarly, the BK guy is also a dick. His code does what it wants, under his rules. But it's a damned good tool for the job. If it weren't, Linus would be using subversion or CVS.

    Finally, RMS is a dick. The problem is that his position is primarily political, not technical. In that realm, you *must not* be a dick. All he'll succeed in doing is bringing out lots of dickish behavior. Perhaps some dick with skillz will code a better replacement. Then, likely, Linus will use it. Until then, merit wins.

    In closing:
    Larry McVoy is a dick.
    Linus is a dick.
    RMS is a dick.
    I'm probably a dick.
    michael is a dick (you are what you eat. Oh, and here comes the pro-michael toads to burn some precious, precious karma:)

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  14. Re:And you wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Exactly. RMS just caused one less peripheral driver to be written for linux. Way to go dumbass. Oh, wait the home user has all the code and can write their own. The joy.

  15. Stallman was trolling. by mrmeval · · Score: 0, Troll

    Go there and read all of the thread. He just went in there cause a stink with no damned good reason for it.

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