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Sony Switches To Its Own Processor For Handhelds

Pointing to this Associated Press story carried by the Miami Herald, Jorkapp writes "Sony has announced that they will be using Processors manufactured by themselves in their next generation of CLIE handhelds, which are due to ship this Semptember. This is only the first step though, as Sony is planning to use its own line of processors for the next generation of Playstation systems. This new processor will give users 16 hours of battery life (impressive!) and the ability to play video at a smooth 30fps." And jake writes with a link to a story at mobilemag.com which also describes the new handhelds (the UX50 was mentioned the other day), and says "both the CLIE UX50 and UX40 handhelds will be available through American retailers in September for about $700 and $600, respectively, but can be pre-ordered now through Sony's website."

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  1. proprietary hardware by Pompatus · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Even if the hardware is better, proprietary hardware is bad. It limits the choices of what you can do with the devicce you own. It goes beyond the "can I run linux on it", hell a valid question would be "am I able to run windows on it?"

    Beta was technically better than VHS. Look what won. Popularity is important. (possibly a bad example, I had a valid point, but I might have lost it to inebriation)

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    1. Re:proprietary hardware by AntiOrganic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, I've repeated this many more times than I care to, Beta was not better than VHS. Beta tapes, while technically superior in quality (and only marginally so), were only one hour long, whereas VHS tapes, clunky as they were, were two hours long, capable of recording an entire feature-length movie unattended. Eventually, the length of a Beta tape would be extended as the standard was revised and perfected, but by this time the damage had already been done and VHS had taken hold. It was this fundamental difference that led to Beta losing the video format war, not some silly "open standard."

      Do you own a Playstation2? That's got all sorts of proprietary hardware in it. Can you run Linux on it? Yes, you can.

    2. Re:proprietary hardware by common_sence · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Proprietary doesn't equal non-standard. I would assume it would have to maintain compatibility with the current generation instruction sets because I can't see Sony doing away with the Palm OS.

      Look at the PocketPC...3 different processor types and they all run Windows OS. Much the same way that Linux can run on PPC, Sun and Intel chips.

      So long as compatibility is maintained and it supports the broadest range of instructions, more power to them.

      As for MS or Linux on a handheld...WHY? Sure, I'm all for it for those who want that, bu honestly the Palm OS is one of the best handheld OS's on the market. The old PSION OS was great too. I haven't played with the Sharp Linux handheld, but every MS handheld I've used is power-hungry and a memory hog.

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      One last thing. Just because you own the device, doesn't mean it HAS to support user changes. If you don't like the way it comes, dob't buy it! You don't buy a Ford and then complain that the engine is proprietary and that you should be able to put a Honda engine in it because of increased fuel efficiency. For crying out loud, now that there's a Linux powered handheld, BUY THAT if you really must have Linux on your handheld.

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  2. $700 price point by marshac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I still don't understand this. At this price, you are in direct competition with a laptop, and the laptop can do a lot more. I think that HP is moving in the right direction by offering sub $300 ipaq units that are actually quite nice.

    1. Re:$700 price point by james72 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This argument again?! PDA / Laptop's have totally different use patterns. I don't/can't carry a laptop in my pocket. Windows doesn't boot in less than a second (even with suspend/hibernate). A laptops hard drive probably wouldn't take the knocking about my PDA gets... etc, etc. Chalk/cheese. Thank you!

    2. Re:$700 price point by uradu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > then why do they try to mimic the same functions as the laptop?

      Because you can. My main problem with these devices is the price. There's just no way I will carry a $700 item in my pant pockets, period. And I suspect there are plenty more people that think the same way--I just can't see these things flying off the shelves. Too many hazards: knocking it against a table edge while walking, losing it while running, putting it in the wash with the pants, etc. While its features are certainly very nice and desireable, I sigh and pay $100 for an SJ20 that does most of the things I need from it, has a hirez screen, rechargeable battery, and comes as close to being disposable as $100 will ever be.

  3. Battery Life Impressive? Huh? by syntap · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This new processor will give users 16 hours of battery life (impressive!)

    Huh? Maybe 16 hours is impressive for a laptop computer or a Windows mobile device but this is a Palm OS device. My current color Clie gets at least that with backlight on most of the time.

  4. Price point by The+Tyro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    700$ seem expensive, but if you get the top-o-the-line zaurus and throw in a WLAN card, you get about the same price. However, this thing has a bigger screen, and it sounds like the sony may have much better battery life.

    Marketing claims, however, aren't... we'll see when it gets independently reviewed.

    Proprietary processor though... Hmmm... that might be a red flag.

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    1. Re:Price point by NotAnotherReboot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I fail to see how the processor is any more proprietary than say a Motorola processor if it will still run the same OS.

  5. Re:Sony by CableModemSniper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Slashdot is not a united front. It's a website. You don't see references to "self-respecting Chicage Sun-Times readers" in the editorials of a newspaper do you?

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  6. Vague? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    " the ability to play video at a smooth 30fps"

    That is pretty vague. I assume he means 480x320 mpeg-2?

  7. Re:Screw "dumb generics" by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, you can create open generic CPU, and everybody would be able to build an alarm clock or server out of it. Yet if you have a chip for alarm clock that is proprietary, but suits just fine alarm clock builders, 10 times smaller, 5 times cheaper, consumes 13 times less energy, what would you choose?

    Being proprietary vs. being non-proprietary and being generic vs. being specialized are unrelated qualities.

    The question is not whether you'd use a non-proprietary generic processor or a proprietary specialized processor to build that alarm clock. The question is whether you'd use a proprietary or non-proprietary alarm clock chip to build the alarm clock.

    The original poster also appears to be confused about the word "proprietary". A proprietary design is one that someone owns. The design of Intel microprocessors is proprietary - just try fabbing your own chips from copies of Intel's masks and see how far you get. x86 clones exist because, while the implementation is proprietary, the instruction set and behavior are still _documented_, and these documents are available for anyone to view. While you can't build your own copy of an Intel processor, you can build another one that does the same thing as far as programs are concerned (possibly better than Intel's does, possibly not).

    Similarly, whether or not you can write your own software for a device has no relation to whether the device's design is proprietary - it relates to whether the device's programming specs are public or not.

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  8. Sirius Cybernetics Corp anyone? by groomed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "We have the capability of injecting wonder, joy and levels of customization into a portable device so it becomes more like a companion or a friend to a lifestyle that uses digital technology."

    -- Masanobu Yoshida, president of Sony Corporation's Handheld Computing Company

  9. Sorry Sony by agent+dero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    both the CLIE UX50 and UX40 handhelds will be available through American retailers in September for about $700 and $600

    I'm awfully sorry Sony, even though the Clie is cool as hell, $600!!!!

    Dell sells complete desktop systems for around $400 - $500. With monitor.

    Substitute portability for sensibility.

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  10. Playstation Portable by chadlnx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Noting in your newspost that Sony will be adopting this technology into the "next generation of PlayStations", I'm going to guess that this means the up and coming PSP. If that is the case and these handhelds are getting 16 hours of battery life with a solid 30fps, I think (for the first time) Nintendo has something to worry about. Of course, games will make the processor a bit more busy than keeping your address book updated. Also, the motor for the game disc itself. It will be an interesting battle regardless. There is only one thing that looks pretty clear to me, the N-gauge is going to be left in the dust.