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The Most Compatible DVD Format: DVD-R
jbridges writes "CDR-Info tested eight types of media (two examples of each media type) using five different recorders, then tested compatibility in twenty-seven standalone DVD players and twenty DVD-ROM drives.
They determined that DVD-R is clearly the most compatible DVD recording format on the market. To assess the compatibility level of DVD Formats they created video content on a DVD writer using DVD-R/RW and +R/RW media. These discs were then played back in other DVD players and DVD-ROM drives -over a 1,000 combinations of drive, media and player were tested."
As we decided that Sony is good this week, it's nice to see that according to the review, the Sony DVD players play almost all discs well, better than any other manufacturer.
Unfortunately, that's not the creator of the player I just bought...
I would buy now if I would need one.
In my case, the life for hardware is usually at maximum two years. So in two years I would buy a new burner anyway. I believe that this mess isn't clear until that two years has passed.
And hey, it's under $200 now anyway. The article said something about $300, but the cheapest drives are already under $200.
If you ask me, the obvious reason DVD-R got more momentum despite "DVD+R" being the theoretically better format on paper, is because right when DVD-RW drives dropped below $400 (i.e. when I purchased my Pioneer DVR-104) is because there was no such thing as DVD+R yet, just DVD+RW.
DVD+RW media is (was? I don't even know since I don't buy it) expensive and significantly less comptable than DVD-R, so anyone looking to write something that could actually play in their set top dvd player pretty much needed DVD-R. I think the DVR-106's inclusion of +R and +RW is just a matter of making it look more competitive on paper. Thus I end this with a question... for anyone who owns a drive that supports both -r and +r, how frequently do you use one kind of media over another? I wouldn't be surprised if most people that own a -r/+r drive rarely use +r.
I picked up a Pioneer A05 (rebranded) for about $150 after a rebate. Just couldn't pass up that offer. It's now using an unofficial firmware to remove the 2x CSS read mode so I can rip my own DVDs (for backup[1]) at 7-8x. My only beef with DVD-R is that there's no official standard for 4x media, which makes it somewhat hard to come by and fairly expensive. You can find really good deals on branded 2x discs, though, which sort of makes up for it. If the 4x discs come down in price, great, I'll start buying those, but otherwise, for the price I paid, I'm not complaining.
[1] And before people accuse me of piracy, I am only backing up DVDs I've purchased. I've been the victim of multiple RSDL Rotted DVDs, and had I backed them up prior to the layer separation, I wouldn't have had to re-purchase the discs.
The way it's looked to me the last few months of looking at these things, +R looks like it has the momentum to end up being the defacto standard. I probably wouldn't care so much, but I've been using Apples for the last six months, and OS X refuses to recognize the format, you have to use third party tools like Toast to make the things operable, and of course there's no way to enable iDVD to work with anything other than the burners Apple sells.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I , however , am a poor poor college student. I can not spare 200 Euros as easily as most people. Plus, i don't REALLY need stuff like that (even though i REALLY want it).
And the 2 year limit is relevant. I mean, my main box that i am writing right now is brand new, only 2 years old. and my other box is a 486 which , acting as an X-terminal , is perfectly ok. So, to me 2 years is nothing. To others 2 years i a life time.
(Well 2 years is a lot to me too but i pretend i don't mind
Not to mention that i will have invested time and money in the media (the disks) that in a worst case scenario will be totaly useless once my device breaks and i can neither find support nor buy a new device.
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"The bad: No Mac support." Opps, nevermind.
Today's lesson is that when some companies say "No Mac support," they mean, "It works, but we're too fucking cheap/lazy to support Mac users."
I put three of these drives in graphite G4s at one of my clients, and they work fine. The only problem is that stupid thick front plate on the drive tray that prevents the Mac's spring-loaded, swing-down bezel panel from closing fully. You can just carefully remove the moving portion and the spring, unless you're one of those mythical Mac users who buys the Mac for its looks instead of what you can do with it.
~Philly
One important point I didn't see in the article was that many old dvd players will only play disks that have a "book type field" of DVD-ROM.
See this link.
My old Toshiba SD2100 is that way. So it wouldn't play DVD+R disks that I made on my Memorex 4X DVD+RW burner (actually a rebranded NEC) until I reflashed the NEC firmware with HP firmware (written for HP by NEC). The HP firmware causes DVD+R disks to be written with a DVD-ROM bitsetting (for maximum compatibility). Those DVD+RW drives that default to a DVD+R bitsetting cause problems with old home DVD players. For what it's worth, I bought a DVD+RW only because that's what I have to use at work and I wanted to avoid compatibility issues.
Ed.
Considering DVD+R/+RW touts itself as being "the most compatible format." This is mentioned all over their website, especially in the FAQ. They claim a 95% compatibility rate with all DVD players and drives. Who wants to be the bad guy and tell them they're wrong?
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"There's no excuse for a player to come out today that doesn't fully support both formats, and THAT is where our focus should be."
Why is there no excuse? Here is one:
DVD+R/RW is a proprietary patented format invented by Sony corporation to push DVD FORUM's DVD-R specification out of the market. They did this by making a drive (and patenting it and licensing it) that is capable of burning both formats, but crippling the DVD-R capability to half speed of the DVD+R on the same drive (4x +, 2x -, or 8x+/4x-).
There is no inherant or technical reason to cripple the DVD-R capability except only to sell DVD+R media (mind you, patented media that costs slightly more)
If you want to make a player, why would you want to spend extra money to be compatible with some market player who jumped in late and made an incompatible proprietary format to try to kill the competition which is already a STANDARD and perfectly capable of doing exactly the same thing that DVD+R does?
The simple answer: Don't support, buy, or use DVD+R and it will die a slow death and we can get on with our lives.
Two infinite things: your stupidity and mine. But I'm not sure about the latter. If my sig offends you, I'm sorry.
"...-R/RW seems to be the cheaper media wherever I check. Sadly to say, but it seems the -R/RW may be on its way out the door."
You don't know how far from the truth you are...
DVD-R media is cheaper because there are no royalties attached. DVD+R is owned by Sony corporation and they charge outstanding patent royalties on the drive technology and media manufacturing process of DVD+R/RW.
DVD-R v2.0 is the official DVD Forum Specification. The same people who created the DVD-ROM and DVD Video specification which are undisputed standards. DVD+R is a cheap knockoff so sony can make profits on patent royalties. I would imagine DVD+R will last relatively (time and popularity wise)to minidisk..
Two infinite things: your stupidity and mine. But I'm not sure about the latter. If my sig offends you, I'm sorry.
Actually, what I found interesting (if you look at the "per media" chart) the Pioneer A05 using either Pioneer or Maxell 4x "-R" media is the only combination that produced discs that play on ALL of the tested equipment. (So, in that case, using the Pioneer recorder and "-R" media achieved 100% compatibility!) All of the other combinations of drive and media failed to play in some combination. (Even the "dual format" drives recording on "-R" produced discs that would fail to play in some equipment.)
And just because the DVD-Forum endorses the - format doesn't mean that much either. The DVD-Forum is just another arbitrary organization of companies. (The + format is supported by the DVD+RW Alliance. Who says one is any more official than the other?)