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Psychotic Lab Mice

meltoast writes "We send lab mice through a maze to see their reactions and then take that information and apply it to our knowledge of the human psyche. Well, what if those mice are completely out of their minds? Discover recently ran an article showing that mice kept in a standard laboratory environment may be crazy. 'In one sequence, a mouse climbs the stainless-steel walls of its cage, hangs from the ceiling by its forelegs while gnawing on the bars, then drops to the floor, only to repeat the process endlessly. On the other side of the cage, a second mouse performs backflips, one per second, for up to 30 minutes at a time.'"

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  1. I've seen this by KingPrad · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I saw this with the gerbils I had for years. One would run endlessly on the treadwheel. The other would jump (gerbils can really jump!) and cling to the mesh top of the cage and chew at it. Eventually he actually managed to escape that way and run amok through the house for a bit. We put some stronger wire mesh on and that kept him inside. But I've definitely seen this with my gerbils and have a vague recollection of seeing it at a pet shop once.

    It wouldn't surprise me if the mice are insane from lack of stimulation. People get the same way when they're cooped up and take up all sorts of repetitive psychotic behaviors. It's a self-protection method for the brain I believe, keeping itself occupied in some endless task rather than concentrating on its continuously uninteresting environment and going crazy.

    I guess that would mean the mice are showing (possibly) insane behavior because the behavior is a a symptom of a deteriorating mind in a last-ditch effort to save itself.

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  2. How are we any more sane? by DJayC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On the other side of the cage, a second mouse performs backflips, one per second, for up to 30 minutes at a time.

    In my back yard my sister performs flips on a trampoline for up to 60 minutes at a time. My brother jumps into a body of water, only to get out and do it again for up to 45 minutes at a time.

    My point is, unless you want to get inside of their head, or ask them why they are doing what they are doing, we can't say it's abnormal behavior. To an "alien in space" (who knows nothing of human "culture") someone jumping on a trampoline, or someone jumping into a pool over and over again may seem pointless and that we are out of our minds. Just a thought. I'm sure the mice are just keeping themselves busy.

  3. Normal? by AllMightyPaul · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I had a hampster for about two years (it died) and it would spend its entire day either on the wheel or gnawing at the cage trying to get out. It's not psychosis, it's just animals trying to escape from their cages. What he described the mouse doing - hanging from the cage, gnawing, dropping, and doing it all over again - is exactly what my hampster would do in her vain attempt to climb out the hole in the top of our cage. They're almost like velociraptors, testing all the weaknesses in the cage, looking for a way out... except my hampster tested the same weakness over and over again. She wasn't that smart, I don't think.

    1. Re:Normal? by Iainuki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These behaviors may indeed begin as attempts to escape. However, they are not. The animals persist in them even though their situation doesn't change. Imagine if you were locked in a room proportional to your size in the same ratio as these mice are. You, initially, might try to escape by searching the floors, the walls, and the ceiling for openings, panels, locks, or doors. You might do this three or four times to make sure you didn't miss anything on the previous passes. However, the analogy to the behaviors of these mice would be compulsively searching the surfaces of your prison for about eight hours a day (~50% of your waking time) every day for twenty years. That is not normal behavior. Just because animals aren't as smart as humans doesn't mean they're dumb. They can learn how to achieve their goals and also things they shouldn't do. When an animal is pursuing a self-destructive or pointless behavior, ask the same questions you would when you see a human being doing the same. My suspicion is that most lab animals suffer from, among other things, terminal boredom. Mice and rats are inveterate, if timid, explorers. Being locked in an unchanging cage for my entire life would drive me insane; why wouldn't the same happen to a rat?

  4. Abused mice... by BitGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Its not uncommon for mice to wheel-- its akin to a kid riding a block. They get rid of excess energy and its fun for them.

    ITs also not uncommon for mice to climb cages and knaw on the bars-- they don't know they aren't wood, and this is also fun behaviour.

    But Backflips--or in other cases - random jumps are a sign of serious stress. As I understand it, in these laboratory situations they keep dozens of mice in a tiny area-- and mice are a socially sensitive animal. That is to say, they react to overcrowding, have stress, etc.

    I think these mice are being abused, and the people doing it should go to hell. Fucking assholes. You're going to experiment on mice, its your responsibility to treat them decently.

    Mice are like any common pet-- they react to pain, can be scared, can be stressed and need some private space.

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  5. Maybe they're bored out of their little skulls? by mellon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gnawing on the top of the cage is a lot more fun than gnawing on the sides. Mice have to gnaw on something hard to cut their teeth - otherwise they get too big - rodent teeth grow continuously. As for backflips, well, if you could do backflips all afternoon, and you had nothing better to do, would you or would you not do backflips?

    These mice aren't crazy. They just need some entertainment!

  6. Proper Lab Procedure by Deanasc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is to handle each mouse weekly so that handling during experiments doesn't stress them out. I've been in rooms of hundreds of mice caged 3 to a feederbox and sorted by age and sex. The behaviors mentioned are few and far between unless they're beeing inbred or are knock outs that are more prone to psychosis.

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  7. Re:Cubefarm by clambake · · Score: 2, Insightful

    meltoast writes "We send employees through a cubicle farm to see their reactions and then take that information and apply it to our knowledge of the human psyche. Well, what if those employees are completely out of their minds? Discover recently ran an article showing that employees kept in a cubicle environment may be crazy. 'In one sequence, an employee climbs the cloth-covered walls of his cubicle, hangs from the false ceiling by his hands while gnawing on the frame, then drops to the floor, only to repeat the process endlessly. On the other side of the room, a second employee makes copies, one per second, for up to 30 minutes at a time.'"

    Actually, this behavior is often a sign of perfectly sane employees with one absoluly stark raving manager.

  8. good for some, bad for others by ravenousbugblatter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Having worked in a lab that uses mice for more than 2 years now I found this articel particularly interesting (immunology research). I've noticed odd behavior in our mice before - such as running in circles or pulling their fur out - but it seems to occur most predominantly when mice are housed alone.

    It is certainly important to gain more insight into this issue, but it is a very complicated one. The vast majority of researchers are fairly limited in funding, and the costs of maintaining colonies of mice is already very expensive (for example, at my institution caring for about 300-500 mice is around $4000-$5000 per month). While there is probably much validity to Wurbel's argument, it unfortunately becomes a question of cost -- enriched housing conditions would probably be out of the limits of most researchers budgets. Scientists should probably settle on a happy medium - those doing research into behavior should definitely consider these issues; however, they may be less essential for researchers trying to understand the functions of specific genes known to be involved in processes other than neural ones, because the cost would simply be too high.

    1. Re:good for some, bad for others by fygment · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...they may be less essential for researchers trying to understand the functions of specific genes known to be involved in processes other than neural ones ...

      However, that assumes the researchers understand all the variables involved. For example, reports keep coming out about the link between stress and depressed immune response. Thus studying a disease on stressed mice would actually skew your results. Gene function may be susceptible to environmental triggers of which stress and madness might be factors. The fact is, we don't know and can't know without very rigorous control over both the experimental procedure and the test subjects. So the cost benefits of housing mice on the cheap may well be mitigated by completely invalid experimental data. And that is no cost saving at all.

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