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Galeon Developers Interview

Posted by michael on from the at-least-it-isn't-named-firebird dept.

Nachtjäger writes "The Galeon website has an interview with the developers, describing overall project health, current problems, and future direction. There's also a place to ask your own questions for future interviews."

39 of 204 comments (clear)

  1. They've had a lot of trouble. by James+A.+A.+Joyce · · Score: 5, Informative

    People have been abandoning the project for imaginary problems or unimportant problems, all of which stem from, allegedly, "libbonobogui", which appears to be a graphical API for GNOME. This has been the cause of lots of kludges in versions 1.2 and 1.3 and they look forward to ceasing to use it. They've also been hit hard by being dropped by both Red Hat and Slackware! Fortunately, they're getting back on their feet now since some people have stuck with Galeon (which is a pretty fine browser, if not the prettiest) and so it's been gradually improving. I believe a new version was released just a few hours/days ago.

    Go download it! Show your support!

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    1. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by owenb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Gnome is rapidly becoming a major clusterfuck these days. Which is a shame, because the only other real option is selling yourself to SCO (aka... Trolltech's owner), and subjecting yourself to the full GPL just to write desktop apps, or paying SCO $3000 for every developer.

      Enough with this FUD. SCO own less than 2% of Trolltech. Trolltech put out an extremely high quality GPL'd product, and you complain? Write a better one, fix the problems in Gnome, or shut up.

    2. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2, Interesting
      What a load of rubbish. It's the default in Red Hat Rawhide because it's the default in the next version of Gnome, that was not a decision red hat made.

      As for the reasons why it is the default in Gnome, that might have something to do with the fact that MPG is co-operative and convinced the gnome release team he was aligned with their goals, as opposed to the Galeon team, who did not.

    3. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by Xoro · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Couldn't agree more about HP's destructive anti-feature craze. It's even hurt Galeon. Where did "Save Session" go? Where did "File Bookmark" go? I use Gnome because I find KDE too circus (cirKus?) -like, but man, they've got to leave *some* features in.

      Some other silliness:

      • No float on top feature to Metacity? Too complicated?
      • Ugly list of useless "put on workspace" choices (also Metacity) because nested listing is "unintuitive"?
      • New GTK file-save box -- much-needed upgrade but no way to access .(dot)files? Sure, it's much cleaner when they're hidden, but it meant I had to type in a filename five levels deep just to point my program to it.
      • And you said it about Epiphany. I've seen more features on a kiosk.

      I hope the galeon people take getting dropped as a liberation rather than a punishment. Let them get back to making a great browser rather than trying to conform to someone's warped interpretation of monkey-computer interface guidelines.

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    4. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by juhaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since when RedHat has any obligation to follow Gnome defaults when deciding what software goes into THEIR distribution?

      It's damn certainly RH's choice, and I'm going to be DAMN pissed if Galeon will be missing from RH X or whatever it's going to be called.

      And what comes to Gnome release teams "goal" these days it seems to be to target people with iq10, fine, they may find most potential users there, but at the same time that totally alienates more tech-knowledgeable people, how do they think they're going to get any more developers if those said developers can't even use their own software because it's too damn braindead?

      Most people that write software for free do so primarily because they wish to use it themselves, not because they wish to make world better place to live.

    5. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by JanneM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Galeon developers basically do not wish to follow the Gnome HIG. This is certainly fine - and Galeon is a good browser - but I'd say it's pretty reasonable that an application that is so central to a desktop should also follow the common guidelines set up for the core apps.

      And as usual, there is absolutely nothing stopping the knowledgeable user from simply running whatever apps they want on their desktop. As for Redhat, they have switched to a more open process, where outside people have a lot more say in what should go in - make yourself heard!

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    6. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by ttk · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The Galeon developers basically do not wish to follow the Gnome HIG. This is certainly fine - and Galeon is a good browser - but I'd say it's pretty reasonable that an application that is so central to a desktop should also follow the common guidelines set up for the core apps.

      This is simply not true. We are trying to follow the HIG as much as we can, but when it comes to a choice between blindly following the HIG or a feature we feel is essential, we'll probably always be choosing the feature.

      It's Human Interface Guidelines, we are still allowed to think for ourselves.

    7. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by owenb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well buy a licence then. Or port the Unix GPL'd version. Or start from scratch. Or give up on that lame platform and develop for Unix. But stop moaning.

    8. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by justsomebody · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And that might be the reason.

      Full moherproof browser (epiphany) for default, and yours on demand for people who need features.

      As for me I'm very pleased with Epiphany, dumped Galeon just because I don't wanna bother with features and second reason are bookmarks

      What default browser needs is not features it's higher usability as a non brainer.

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    9. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by RdsArts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Gnome is rapidly becoming a major clusterfuck these days. Which is a shame, because the only other real option is selling yourself to SCO (aka... Trolltech's owner), and subjecting yourself to the full GPL just to write desktop apps, or paying SCO $3000 for every developer.

      *looks at his XFCE 4 desktop*

      There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your GNOME and KDE.

      RC 3 is due out tomorrow, why not give it a try? You might be pleasantly suprised.

    10. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by readams · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a metacity maintainer, I feel I have to respond to this.

      First, HP (Havoc Pennington) isn't on an anti-feature craze. The point is to develop a desktop that works well for everyone without requiring you to go through dozens of preference dialogs to get something that will work correctly. KDE actually has a preference, off by default, to be not horribly broken on a xinerama setup.

      But, aside from that, metacity does support an always on top keybinding (I commited this about a month ago) It's just not bound by default; you can edit it using gconf-editor though.

      Also, there has been talk of changing the put on workspace menu. Perhaps if idiots like you could stop whining for two seconds on slashdot and perhaps join in a useful discussion on bugzilla, you can have a say in how that gets done eventually:
      http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cg i?id=110904

      Also, there is no new GTK file save dialog yet; this is a feature that won't appear until gnome 2.6, since gnome 2.4 is based on gtk 2.2. The dialog you may have seen is a ximian patch to GTK, and is certainly not the final incarnation of the GTK file save dialog.

    11. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The dialog you may have seen is a ximian patch to GTK, and is certainly not the final incarnation of the GTK file save dialog.

      Umm...this has been around for like 2 years now, right? And while it isn't perfect, its worlds better than the default dialog. Why in the world hasn't it become the default, at least until someone writes something better?

    12. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by readams · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, since you've never used metacity, you obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about. The window manager is supposed to be unobtrusive. The window manager really needs to just work without requiring you to configure everything. That's what metacity does.

      Why don't you go and look at the window manager in windows or in Mac OS X -- two desktops renowned for good user interfaces -- and ask yourself how configurable they are. They answer is they aren't. At all. Metacity is much more configurable out of the box than either system.

      And the always on top keybinding is a compromise for advanced users only. gconf keys with no user interface are commonly used in the gnome desktop for advanced options that aren't really needed. And if you don't think that gconf-editor is sufficiently intuitive, why don't you stop whining and write some fucking code.

      Man you people just piss me off.

    13. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by leviramsey · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, since you've never used metacity, you obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about. The window manager is supposed to be unobtrusive. The window manager really needs to just work without requiring you to configure everything. That's what metacity does.

      I briefly used metacity, last summer, when Mandrake made it the default in GNOME. From what I saw, metacity simply did not "just work". It was a pain in the ass trying to get it to a sane configuration that approached what I had with sawfish, only to find that it couldn't be configured to have sawfish-esque functionality; at the very least the dialogs offered no options and searches on gnome.org could not find gconf keys to accomplish what I wanted. Finally I said, "Fuck it," and I killall -15'd metacity and went back to sawfish. Since then, the only times I've used metacity are for the few seconds it takes to killall -15 it and start sawfish.

      The point is that no program can work out of the box for every user. Configuration and customization will always be required for a substantial portion of any userbase. By removing configuration options, you guarantee that not only will your program not work out of the box for a substantial portion of users, but that it will never work for that portion of the users.

      Why don't you go and look at the window manager in windows or in Mac OS X -- two desktops renowned for good user interfaces -- and ask yourself how configurable they are. They answer is they aren't. At all. Metacity is much more configurable out of the box than either system.

      I use Windows on a fairly regular basis, and I can barely work with its window manager. TweakUI helps a little. As bad as Windows is, MacOS (any version) is worse, AFAIC. I'll grant that metacity is better than the Windows and Mac WMs, and given a choice, I'd take metacity. I'll also grant that SARS is better than cancer or AIDS, and given a choice, I'd take SARS.

      gconf keys with no user interface are commonly used in the gnome desktop for advanced options that aren't really needed. And if you don't think that gconf-editor is sufficiently intuitive, why don't you stop whining and write some fucking code.

      It's gconf itself (not the editor) that I have a problem with. I have yet to see a Registry-esque configuration system that surpasses user-readable configuration files. Maybe part of the problem is the fact that there is no real documentation as to what keys are available (this is true, as far as I can tell, of both the Windows Registry, and of gconf). Windows went from a simple, easy-to-understand, well-documented system of human- and machine-readable INI files to an obtuse, poorly-documented system based on a non-human-readable database. gconf at least is XML underneath, but XML isn't that human-readable.

      Feel free to ignore this; the very word metacity (where the fuck does that word come from?) will, unless a new version comes down the pipe that blows my socks off, continue to make me retch.

    14. Re:They've had a lot of trouble. by javamutt · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree with you. When I made the transition from RH8 to RH9 I lved the look, but felt trapped by the lack of configurability.

      It since hasbecome obvious to me that Metacity can do a lot more than the default options. Just load the Sun Gnome environment, and compare it to RH9. I wish Sun would adopt some of RH's tweaks!

      Bottom line is that a little documentation (maybe I missed something?) would have gone a long way towards making power users more receptive to the change.

  2. Galeon - use it! by kwenda · · Score: 2, Informative

    This used to be the default in the Slackware distro of X/KDE. Now they've switched to Konqueror... Galeon works better though, I recommend it.

  3. The gecko family of browsers... by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...puts us in the new age of environmental consciousness.
    Not only you can reuse the same parts of code on different platforms, but the Mozilla mailer is the first one to have separate folders for trash and junk.

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    1. Re:The gecko family of browsers... by ChiChiCuervo · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't know about the environment, but I always think of car insurance when using a gecko-based browser.

  4. The comment form: broken? by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 4, Funny

    The comment form would be a lot more useful if it had a "submit" button, so that you could actually give them the comment.

    Unless it's not showing up because my browser is broken. But in that case, I'd like to comment on that, since I'm using Galeon.

  5. come closer by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Sssssoooo precioussssss, what do you want to knowwww about Galeonnnnn".

    Ooops, wrong Galeon. Sorry.

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  6. Galeon is unbloated without XUL interface by zymano · · Score: 4, Informative
    From the Manifest-

    MANIFESTO A web browser is more than an application, it is a way of thinking, it is a way of seeing the world. Galeon's principles are simplicity and standards compliance. Simplicity: While Mozilla has an excellent rendering engine, its default XUL-based interface is considered to be overcrowded and bloated. Furthermore, on slower processors even trivial tasks such as pulling down a menu are less than responsive. Galeon aims to utilize the simplest interface possible for a browser. Keep in mind that simple does not necessarily mean less powerful. We believe the commonly used browsers of today are too big, buggy, and bloated. Galeon addresses simplicity with a small browser designed for the web -- not mail, newsgroups, file management, instant messaging or coffee making. The UNIX philosophy is to design small tools that do one thing, and do it well. Galeon also addresses simplicity with modularity to make a light and powerful application. If something can be implemented using external applications or components, we use it rather than wasting resources in the web browser. Integration will be achieved with CORBA, Bonobo, and the ever popular command line. Mail will be handled with your favorite e-mail application (Evolution, pine, mutt, balsa, pronto, whatever); GTM (Gnome Transfer Manager) will be used to download files in a standardized manner. Standards compliance: The introduction of non-standard features in browsers could make it difficult or impossible to use alternative products like Galeon if developers embrace them. Alternative (standards complying) browsers could not be able to fully access web sites making use of these features. The success of non-standard features can ultimately lead to forcing one browser, on one platform to dominate the market. Standards compliance ensures the freedom of choice. Galeon aims to achieve this.

  7. as a galeon user who doesn't use gnome... by intermodal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I haven't had stability problems with it, and I rather like it better than Mozilla itself. I know it could use some work, but I find it disappointing to know that my favorite browser is being dropped...

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  8. contantly changing ui by ChiChiCuervo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think people wouldn't be dropping galeon if they core team were vigilant with maintaining the UI from version to version.

    For instance, I used to be able to have my tabs on the bottom, then i couldn't, then i could, and now i can't again. I vastly prefer galeon's tabs to mozilla's, being one of those features that keeps me with galeon even now, but i'm sick of this on again , off again feature.

    Another on again, off again feature I like was the ability to right click on the handle of one of my custom toolbars and opening the entire folder in tabs. They recently re-added this feature in the bookmarks menu, but I really miss it on the toolbar itself.

    Frankly, if there were another browser that had a similar level of control of bookmarks and custom toolbars, I'd switch to it in a second. Nothing else comes quite that close to galeon's level of customizibility.

    I just wish Galeon wasn't so flighty in it's feature set.

  9. Re:Oh yeah by sremick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not sure if this is really flamebait or not, but for argument's sake, I wanted to post a screenshot of MY Galeon, showing the fonts are just fine:

    http://vtbsd.net/galeon_shot.png

    This is Galeon 1.3.7 on FreeBSD 5.1, with all ports kept up-to-date.

  10. Galeon RIP by grzebo · · Score: 5, Informative
    It used to be my favourite browser, but fore some reason or other the developers have decided to destroy it. While Galeon 1.2.x was superb, version 1.3 is just slightly better than IE.

    IMHO they got exactly what they worked so hard for - rejection from everyone.

    A far-from-complete list of features they broke:
    • Tab settings - how wide they are, if they should get shortened, etc.
    • favicons on tabs - supposedly it's possible to turnt them on using some magical commands, but I haven't managed
    • a button to erase the address bar - I don't want its content on my clipboard
    • focus of newly opened tabs/windows - additional clicks necessary
    • rocker style mouse gestures - just pressing RMB and then LMB used to go back
    • stability
    • saving sessions as groups of bookmarks
    • setting individual handling programs for different extensions


    Galeon used to be an example of how an Open Source Product can be better than proprietary one (i.e. Opera). Now it's just pathetic. One more reason to dislike anyting GNOME-related (and I used to run Galeon from KDE).
    1. Re:Galeon RIP by multi+io · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Galeon used to be an example of how an Open Source Product can be better than proprietary one (i.e. Opera). Now it's just pathetic. One more reason to dislike anyting GNOME-related (and I used to run Galeon from KDE).

      I agree. The major problem with Galeon is that it is a GNOME program instead of a simple GTK one. I really don't know why they chose to do this...

    2. Re:Galeon RIP by uhmmmm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just installed galeon 1.3.7 to give it another try after switching to phoenix .. err .. firebird. here's my take on some of these complaints:

      * Tab settings - how wide they are, if they should get shortened, etc.
      Agree - need this feature back

      * a button to erase the address bar - I don't want its content on my clipboard
      Definately needed

      * focus of newly opened tabs/windows - additional clicks necessary
      Edit->Preferences->User Interface->Jump to new tabs Automatically

      * rocker style mouse gestures - just pressing RMB and then LMB used to go back
      Works for me ...

      * stability
      Haven't had any crashes yet ...

    3. Re:Galeon RIP by LinuxGeek8 · · Score: 2

      * focus of newly opened tabs/windows - additional clicks necessary
      Edit->Preferences->User Interface->Jump to new tabs Automatically

      No, the other way around. If you open a link in new tab, without automatically jumping to it, it still gives focus to the new tab.
      It should keep the current tab in focus, which for example will give you a PageDown on hitting the spacebar (very usefull when reading /. and skimming the comments in a story).

      * stability
      Haven't had any crashes yet ...
      I had almost daily crashes with early 1.3 releases. At least since 1.3.5 things are shaping up, I only get an occasional crash now and then, about once a week or so. Version 1.2.x was rocksolid here, I could keep the same window on my desktop for weeks without having it crash. I hope they get 1.3/2.0 that stable, it would be great.

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    4. Re: Galeon RIP by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Interesting


      > I had almost daily crashes with early 1.3 releases. At least since 1.3.5 things are shaping up, I only get an occasional crash now and then, about once a week or so. Version 1.2.x was rocksolid here, I could keep the same window on my desktop for weeks without having it crash.

      I think there's a very slow memory leak in 1.2, since it gradually eats memory and crashes on me very predictably every 2-3 weeks or so.

      Of course my usage habits may be somewhat out of spec. Once they introduced tabs I almost completely quit using bookmarks. Right now I have 1-5 Galeon windows open on each of 12 virtual desktops, and 1-50 tabs open in each window. I may be asking for trouble.

      Of course that makes it a big pain when I have to restart Galeon and let it reload a few hundred pages over an unreliable telephone link.

      > No, the other way around. If you open a link in new tab, without automatically jumping to it, it still gives focus to the new tab. It should keep the current tab in focus, which for example will give you a PageDown on hitting the spacebar (very usefull when reading /. and skimming the comments in a story).

      I'm not quite sure what you're describing, but it sounds similar to the one thing that I find most annoying other than the crashes. I like to read a story, opening interesting links in other tabs as I go, and then read the tabs when I've finished the story. But apparently the scrolling focus is lost whenever another tab finishes loading. I use the arrow keys to scroll down a story, but something happening in another tab will make it lose focus and I have to click the page or the scollbar to make the scrolling work again.

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  11. Why Galeon is not included in GNOME by Alethes · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From Final Modules List for the GNOME 2.4 Desktop Release:
    There was a lot of vocal support for Epiphany on the mailing list, but little for Galeon. So, the consensus points to Epiphany. That was due to a number of factors: The Epiphany project goals seem to be better aligned with GNOME's goals, the Galeon developers do not seem to be 100% behind GNOME's goals; Epiphany has had regular releases for GNOME 2.3.x; the Epiphany hackers are working within the project to define standards and code for toolbar editing and other functionality, etc. While there are a lot of reservations about offending the Galeon hackers, and great disappointment that the two projects have not been able to cooperate, Epiphany does seem to have the consensus, and make the most technical sense. That is not to say that Epiphany is without faults, or that Galeon is not excellent software -> we do need to make a choice at some stage: Right now there is strong support to add a browser to the Desktop release, and strong support for that browser to be Epiphany.
  12. my 2 cents by snilloc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1) "File bookmark" is a great feature. More browsers should have it.

    2) Galeon's primary raison d'etre is that Gecko is good but Mozilla is bloated. With the growing popularity of Firebird (and the eventual mainstreaming of FB into Moz), will there really be much of a need for Galeon?

  13. Is it just me... by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Or is this "interview" really not all that interesting? For someone, such as myself, who has not followed Galeon closely for the last year or so, it would help to provide some concrete background on the problems they've had. Instead, this so-called interview is basically comprised of two topics, rehashed over and over: libbonobo sucks, and Crispin 0wnz.

    This interview sheds very little light on Galeon's past, present, or future. It seems mostly like a page full of bitching by the main developers, with little substance. Tell us about the recent history of Galeon, good and bad, the direction the project will hopefully take in the coming months, etc. "We need to get back to 1.2" is not very helpful, especially for people who don't follow Galeon closely.

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  14. Re: Why Galeon is not included in GNOME by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Interesting


    > the Galeon developers do not seem to be 100% behind GNOME's goals

    The same can be said for the newsreader Pan: the author ripped all the GNOME stuff out a while back.

    I wonder whether this might be the beginning of a trend, and kind of hope it is. IMO GNOME 2 has been a major step in the wrong direction.

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  15. Galeon: A functional browser... by billsf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does anybody remember "The web and only the web"? No true Unix user wants a browser that does it all. For mail, use a mailer, for IRC use a client like "BitchX" and so on. For 90% of my browsing Galleon is just fine and just about any sort of 'extra functionality' for the web can be hacked in. I surely would like to see features used in the past like the 'zoom indicator' brought back. Only the newest of the newbies uses a full page browser and therefore that new feature is disapointing. (Fullscreen) It is also disappointing that 'helper applications' are not easy to set and are not automatic, seemingly a 'nobrainer'.

    Sometimes it is necessary to use Mozilla, mostly for proper Javascript functionality, something that one would think Galeon would inherit. Absolutely no browser can keep up with Apache and the web. This goes for the super bloated and slow
    IExplorer too. Opera is fast but 'links' looks like the fastest graphical browser of them all and by many times. There is also the issue of some organisations allowing Windows or Mac browsers to protect their streams. This is the most absurd excuse of them all as it is trivial to intercept and store any 'protected' media.

    Lets get some good features back into Galeon. It would be nice if it could completely spoof Mac or Windows for services that require that. (and save the streams at the request of the user) Any serious browser maker would team up with Apache or atleast use their modules if necessary. It is ironic that the 'most popular' browser is slow, insecure and made by a minor player in the server market. I'm sticking with Galeon for the moment. If it gets anymore 'user friendly' (and administrator hostile) I will end up using some other browser that may not even exist today.

  16. Defaults suck: make your own choices. by jonadab · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > As for the reasons why it is the default in Gnome

    Presumably same reason metacity is default in Gnome: the defaults
    in Gnome are being deliberately shoved toward featureless, on the
    theory that it's somehow cleaner, or something like that.

    *shrug* People who care about features don't have to live with the
    defaults, though. It's not to hard to install whatever browser you
    want, whatever wm you want (I like sawfish...), and so forth.
    Defaults are just that: what happens to you if you default on your
    options. So, if you don't want that to happen to you, don't default:
    when you install, set up all the options however you want them and
    be happy.

    Hey, when it really comes down to it, the default computer setup is
    currently Windows XP. Feel free to live with the default if you
    want, but don't complain when it sucks, because you had your choice.

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  17. Re:To do list by 70043570592 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is Poland really that important to Linux on the desktop?

  18. Almost Perfect by Markus+Registrada · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It's funny -- of the "top 3 bugs" each developer lists, I have encountered only a couple. Of the top unimplemented features they list, I don't want any of them. To me, the only really critical bug was crashing within a few minutes every time I turned on Javascript, but they might have licked that in the 14 July snapshot I run. After that, being able to right-click on an image and get a menu reliably (not just after the third try) would help. The only "new" feature that would make much difference for me is honoring the Gnome emacs key-binding preference. (ctrl-A, E, N, P, B, F, K, particularly.) That worked fine in the 1.2 series, and is the only feature I miss from it.

    I have to admit that I'd like to see the per-site preference behavior of cookies extended to Javascript, image loading and animation, font forcing, color forcing, zoom, etc. Probably the most valuable improvement would be a way to use a different text editor entirely, in another window if necessary. But, mainly, it now has almost exactly the feature set I need in a browser, and hardly anything else. I wish it would stay that way.

    I've been using 1.3 since the beginning, and it was pretty sucky for a while, but I'm glad they did what they did. The version I'm using now is so much nicer, all around, than Epiphany, that it is clearly only politics that made Gnome switch to the latter. I'll never switch, because the Epiphany developers are a bunch of ideologues who have announced they will never add the features that make the browser useful and usable for me.

  19. Panel drawers WAS:They've had a lot of trouble. by stuntpope · · Score: 2, Informative

    Aren't the popup menus on XFCE's panel similar to Gnome's panel drawers? I never cared much for Gnome's drawers, but FWIC, you click an icon on the panel, it expands to show several launchers. XFCE has that.

  20. File Bookmark is there by Markus+Registrada · · Score: 2, Informative
    To file a bookmark, go down to the folder where you want to file it, and right-click. There you go: "Add Bookmark Here". "File Bookmark" was always confusing. Not having it is an improvement.

    In general, do a bit of exploration with the right mouse button. You'll discover all kinds of good things (besides a few remaining bugs).