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The Beast of Brussels

'No nickname' Ian writes "If you live in Europe you should definitely read this story about a government supercomputer. It's written by Andy McCue from silicon.com and entitled: IT Myths: Does the 'Beast of Brussels' know everything about us? Basically, in Europe there are rumours of an EU-owned super-computer which stores and process information on every European citizen. The piece debunks the rumour and finds out its roots are actually in a work of fiction - but there is some interesting comment from privacy activists who suggest it may not be too wide of the mark. Simon Davis of Privacy International goes so far as to suggest such computer may have existed - if perhaps not on the same 'three storey-high' magnitude."

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  1. Re:How could this story be believed? by Theovon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Today, with the technology we have, it might actually be possible. In cities around the world, cameras snap pictures of speeders' license plates, and they are automatically mailed speeding tickets. More information could be monitored by numerous distributed computer systems. It's all certainly POSSIBLE.

    But that doesn't mean it's actually happening.

    Besides, it would take as many people as are being monitored to monitor the data in order to intelligently get anything useful out of the morass of raw data. So, while it certainly could be processed to some extent and stored, it couldn't be used for a whole lot.

  2. Well i live in Europe (Belgium)... by Interfacer · · Score: 5, Informative

    and most people - including me - think nothing of it. in Belgium it is mandatory for us to carry an official ID card (no library card or drivers license. a real ID card).

    we need to show that to open a bank account, a library card, a rent-a-video store,... well basically everywhere.

    for health care we have a unique number in a national database, and since a few months everyone who has a mortgage is in another database.

    We don't care. i mean why should't the governement know where you live, or which bank accounts i have.
    the only reason i can come up with is if you are a fraudster.

    for example tracking people with a mortgage on a national level is done so that not-so-bright people do not get a second mortgage if they already are at their financial limit with the first one.

    the most important reason i don't mind is that we have a law that applies to any place where personal information is stored about you.
    basically the law says that you have to get total access to all information about you, and that if it is incorrect the keeper of that information needs to change it.
    i know from several examples that this law is used and that is works ok.

    at least we can review and cghange information about ourselves.

    kind regards,
    Interfacer.

    1. Re:Well i live in Europe (Belgium)... by batlock · · Score: 2, Informative
      And of course everyone in Belgium trust all of their civil servants and politicians? No scandals at all in the last ten years?

      As a rule, Belgians do NOT trust civil servants or politicians. We consider them a necessary evil.
      --

      Batlock...

    2. Re:Well i live in Europe (Belgium)... by Yokaze · · Score: 4, Informative

      > but I'd like to avoid having data about me being gathered and correlated unnecessarily.

      Well, that's is why there is the European Union Privacy Directive, which regulates what kind of data may be stored and processed, and what other rights you have on your data.
      Here is a summary from the US point of view.

      --
      "Between strong and weak, between rich and poor [...], it is freedom which oppresses and the law which sets free"
  3. Re:How could this story be believed? by Frymaster · · Score: 4, Informative
    And it was not only possible, it was real.

    forget staasi. the dod and darpa in the u.s. o' a is working on a total tracking system to track, record and analyze everything about the monitored individual - phone conversations, physical movement, surfing, purchase, even vital signs. it's the "lifelog" project (reference link is here).

    of course darpa/dod is saying it's only to be used on people who consent to being monitored.... but then again, j edgar hoover once said the fbi would never use phone taps. administrations and policies change y'know. so, skepticism is warranted.

    the only plus side to this is that the software is written by microsoft... so you may have the option to live privately during reboots.

  4. Spain too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Documento Nacional de Identidad (DNI) [National Identity Document] from the web of the Ministerio del Interior.

  5. Statistics Denmark by Guanix · · Score: 5, Informative

    In Denmark we've had a civil registration system for hundreds of years, and in the 1960's it became centralized. A wide range of information about births, deaths, marriages, divorces, jobs, education, and other information that the government collects is referenced by the CPR number, which is a national ID number for all Danish residents.

    These databases are controlled by a fairly strong Data Protection Act which prohibits cross-referencing different databases using the CPR number, except in special circumstances, and any such special permit is always made public.

    There is, however, one exception: the Statistical Bureau. They have access to most public databases and are allowed to cross-reference them in order to compile statistics. We don't have a census in Denmark because all the information is already available.

    This is a very powerful tool for researchers. They can ask a question like "How many males who graduated from this particular primary school subsequently went on to be convicted of a serious crime?", and have it answered by the Statistical Bureau within a couple of weeks. They simply have to type in an SQL query. It's also much easier to find relationships between schools, workplaces and illnesses like cancer. They can also ask questions such as "How many people whose parents were divorced will go on to have a divorce?" with a simple SQL query, instead of the extensive surveys that are required in other countries.

    The RISKS, on the other hand, are obvious.

  6. Nah, its just Distributed Now - TIA, Echelon by johnrpenner · · Score: 3, Informative

    > Said machine was supposed to track all world trade through
    > monitoring the buying and selling of every citizen on the planet...
    > These could be seen by infrared scanners at 'special verification
    > counters' (cash tills, to you and us).

    so, now we can finally all rest assured,
    since it was all just a fiction... OR CAN WE...!? :-\

    >> ECHELON :
    http://www.echelonwatch.org/
    http://www.fas.or g/irp/program/process/echelon.htm

    ECHELON attempts to capture staggering volumes of satellite,
    microwave, cellular and fiber-optic traffic... This massive
    surveillance system apparently operates with little oversight.

    >> TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS:
    http://www.epic.org/privacy/profiling/tia/

    The goal is to track individuals through collecting as much
    information about them as possible...

    The project calls for the development of ultra-large all-source
    information repositories, which would contain information from
    multiple sources to create a 'virtual, centralized, grand
    database.' This database would be populated by transaction
    data contained in current databases such as financial records,
    medical records, communication records, and travel records as
    well as new sources of information. ...biometric technology
    to enable the identification and tracking of individuals.
    DARPA has already funded its 'Human ID at a Distance' program,
    which aims to positively identify people from a distance
    through technologies such as face recognition or gait recognition.
    A nationwide identificationsystem would be of great assistance
    to such a project by providing aneasy means to track individuals
    across multiple information sources.

    TIA Report to Congress May 2003.
    http://www.epic.org/privacy/profiling/tia/m ay03_re port.pdf

    Congress Report Executive Summary and FAQ May 2003:
    http://www.darpa.mil/body/tia/TIA%20ES.pdf

    TIA System Description (PDF, 4.5 MB):
    http://www.epic.org/privacy/profiling/tia/ti asyste mdescription.pdf

    Poindexter's August 2002 Speech:
    http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dod/poindex ter.html

    ???