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Tim O'Reilly Interview
s4 news machine writes "The UK webcaster stage4 has published a lengthy interview with Tim O'Reilly in which he talks about why DRM will fail, Macromedia Central and the rise of webservices, and that Microsoft should have been broken up."
What would work is to LIMIT !!! their share of the MARKET as a penalty and allow competition to unfold. If you need evidence of breaking up a monopoly failures , look at the baby bells.
Well, I've just joined the Macromedia board of directors, so that may tell you something about the importance I place on Macromedia. It's important for Flash to become more open and more standard
Try getting to the dreamweaver exchange with opera or without flash installed on IE. Just because I bought dreamweaver doesn't mean I'm with the flash program. Seems Macromedia are going that Microsoft route trying to jam flash down my throat as a requirement for support. Macromedia seems more and more willing to play proprietary.
P.S. Dreamweaver improved much more as a cold fusion target, than any of the other languages.
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From the interview:
"That being said, the net does lead to a breakdown of national boundaries and legal systems, and there's going to be some interesting adaptation over the years, as we move inexorably to a global cyberculture."
a "one ring to rule them all" OS
My guess is we have a fair number of people around here cut from the same cloth.
But then he suggests Air Guitar by Dave Hickey and Moneyball by Michael Lewis.
Maybe he was just trying to help the interview reader relate?
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Mr. O'Reilly, what do you see in the future of technical publishing? I know a lot of hackers swear by traditional "dead tree" volumes, but it also seems like your company's competitively priced electronic publishing program is off to a rearing start. Do you foresee an end to paper technical books? How do WiFi and tablets fit into the future of technology publishing?
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It's so plainly correct.
The moment the music industry(and even Hollywood) realize that _YES_ they should provide a legitime way to gather entertaiment content from the web, but _NO_, DRM should not be a part of it(at least not in the way they intend to do it at the moment) the next step will be made.
I'm a poor student, but I *will* pay some fee(consider that it should be significantly lower than the price of a DVD for example) as long as there's no even a slightest notion of DRM protection in what I get.
Anyway, I also think that he IS right, but to conclude: NEVER gonna happen. He forgets that in his example both: corporations and consumers have had the same interest, and DRM looks like the first time when that's not the case....
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In my opinion, as good as (or even better than) the interview itself was an article by Tim O'Reilly that he linked to in one of his answers: Piracy is Progressive Taxation". He has some excellent insights into piracy, and makes several very good points and some interesting comparisons. One of his main points is that free services have been historically replaced by higher quality paid services (ISPs being a prime example). Well worth the read.
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I'm interested in seeing what O'reilly can do with running Sun (and others!?) developer community sites. Imagine an MSDN or TechNet that's organized enough to find what you need on! Of course, MS would never swallow its pride and let O'reilly do that.
... Cookbook series. I'm a big fan of learning from well-developed samples. O hwell, maybe he can make Flash scripting something more fun and worth playing with.
I was also hoping to hear that there would be more in the
We haven't seen them yet, but I bet pretty soon we'll see PC's for sale that can only run Windows (this will be enforced by hardware) - don't know how that will affect the music business, but I am sure this is a card that Microsoft is waiting to play at the right time to make even more money.
P.S. In one of the questions in the article it says "should of" - isn't that, like, really bad English...?
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There's some revisionist history happening in that article. UUNET didn't cause UUCPnet to disappear. It was around for a looooong time after UUNET got started.
IMO, it's a political issue, not a technical one. Any DRM system, whether it operates at the level of the file, the disk, or the whole OS, is hackable. But the difference between then and now is that software manufactures weren't getting Congress to pass laws that made it likely you'd spend more time in prison for cracking copy protection than you would for committing murder. Now that the entertainment industry is trying to do just that -- and, in large part succeeding -- the software industry's 80's experiences may just not be that relevant.
The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
I hope the content companies don't thrive online. I look forward to seeing them die off. Four years ago I thought that if they switched to something like what iTunes is now that they would make wads more cash, and music fans would be far better off. But they've done too much wrong for there to be any way out.
However, the end of the content companies will not be the end of art or music. There will always be art and music as long as people want to create and be entertained. But instead of content companies that own you the artist body and soul, they will be publicists and advertisement companies that work for you. They will also be much smaller with no monopoly power.
Artists will eventually realize that through a system like iTunes they can cut out the RIAA and take the lion's share of the price of a download themselves. Services like Kazaa will help fans who are too risk averse find out about new music for free, and a number of them will probably opt to spend the money they would once have spent on CDs on concert tickets and merchandise instead. So that too will benefit artists.
And without a cartel brainwashing the public into thinking Britney Spears is good music, there will be a lot more diversity and a lot more creativity out there. I believe that if we can beat back the RIAA and their employees in Congress there's a new cultural golden age out there waiting for us.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
No matter what Tim O'Reilly says, ive always had a soft spot for him. In 1993 I was sitting in a train going from London to Heathrow and I was wearing a Legion of Doom T-shirt.
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This is 1993, so your mom wasn't on Internet yet.
This guy starts talking to me, asking me if Im involved in Internet pointing at my shirt. So I say I am, co-founder of a dutch ISP (XS4ALL) and involved with Hacktic, a dutch hacker crew. He says he's Tim O'Reilly. _THE_? Yeah..
He was quite cool to talk to, and he gave me a sendmail shirt. Later he mailed me saying his kids loved it that someone recognised their dad
Ok, enough about the good old days,
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This is a good point. I remember a game in the 1980s for the Atari 800 that I cracked by changing a couple of bytes on the floppy (replaced with 6502 machine-language NOP instructions) that made it skip the copy-protection mechanism. I needed to do that so I could have a fair use floppy disk backup of the game that I purchased. I don't think copy protection will ever work. Better to try to market your product in a way that makes it hard to resist buying, like value-added features that you can only get by purchasing the product.
And fanboys, listen up: quit buying XBoxes to put Linux on them! You know that's just your excuse to /. so you can feel ok about subscribing to XBox Live.
I totally agree with this, but I still want one. I want to play Apex racing. It's something I enjoy. Racing games just have a nice little sweet spot in my heart, and the PC just falls short because you either have NFS or Nascar games. There is nothing as involved as Apex racing (or Auto Modelista) for the PC.
So what am I going to do? Buy an Xbox, and Apex racing. Then I hope they don't recover the cost of the XBox with me buying just one game (or another really good racing game that comes out.) That's why it won't work, because of people like me who don't care enough about the evil DRM (I think some DRM can be good, but I'm not arguing that here and now) to not buy what we want. It's a trade-off of ideals vs. benefit. The ideals I stand for aren't in major jeopardy by buying an X-Box.
I hate it, but it's just the way it goes. Unless you can point to a PC racing game that has the same depth as Gran Turismo and Apex Racing, the XBox gets my purchase.
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What would that prove? That his sales would increase? I, and I imagine most of his target customers, would just use that to preview books that otherwise we wouldn't want to risk buying and not like. Most people with the money to afford books they need prefer physical copies and don't want to be bothered using up toner/ink & paper to end up with poorly bound imitations of a professionally done volume. Look at the success of Bruce Eckel's Thinking in Java & Thinking in C++, both available free on his website. I can't remember how many people I've told to go to the site to read the volumes online to see if they like them. I don't know a single person who uses the website/downloads as their primary copy and I do know other people who have purchased the published versions based on his online content.
I wish all booksellers would have content online. Even if it's just every other chapter. I'd buy a lot more books then.
I will create an add-in box that captures audio output from a PC or a DRM enabled device, and redirect it back to my pc's audio encoding system as
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There's no way to fill 12 pages with content about Britney Spears, especially not TEXT.
I'm more concerned about the effect DRM will have on *public* rights, including fair use and archiving. How is the Library of Congress going to store the data for future use when the DRM authentication server and key generator no longer exists in 2045? It's hard enough converting old 8" floppies to newer media, but this is going to kill any kind of public archives.
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You are nuts.
I am using RH9 on my desktop RIGHT NOW. To claim that what I am doing is "fundamentally impossible" is just foolish.
Perhaps the mega-corps can't do it now, but that's as much office politics, policies and management issues than technical or monopolistic ones.
Also, just to drive home the point, go look up how many of us work in SMALL companies compared with the number working in LARGE companies. Small wins.
"No Reasonable Alternative" is just horse shit. OpenOffice and Gnumeric allow me to communicate in every way with my co-workers.
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Er, no, that's not it.
Every time you buy an XBox, Microsoft loses money. They make it back on game licenses. So if you buy one, stick Linux on it, and don't buy any games, you're actually doing them (Microsoft) a disservice, as well as getting a PC at below wholesale price.
Of course, this requires a certain amount of restraint in not purchasing games.
I lost my instruction book for one of those games once and decided I was going to find my own way to play without asking for another book. This was in the early 90s. With a lot of those old programs, the words from the book were stored in a memory buffer that was not cleared when the program exited. So even on a non-multitasking OS like DOS, you could quit the program, followed by running another program that just searched main memory and dumped the entire list of words. Then you just made yourself a table and proceeded with a dictionary attack against the program. Takes a while to get going, but eventually you find out answers to the most common questions and can stop.