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jmichaelg writes "What do you get when you combine a glass, a PIC computer, two capacitors, a coil and a zener Diode? A wireless beer glass that signals your waiter when you need a refill. The circuit is an RFID transponder that measures the fluid level in a glass and transmits a globally unique ID coupled to the fluid level reading when queried by an antenna hidden in your table. The query provides enough power to drive the circuit so no batteries are needed. A technical paper describes the circuitry in the table and the glass." This hit the news over a year ago, but we didn't have the technical details.

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  1. Inductive coupling by anubi · · Score: 2, Informative
    Re: "And I'm still sitting here trying to puzzle out how the signal from the table provides enough power to run the circuitry in the glass.":

    Inductive coupling. Those PIC chips don't require much power at ALL to run! Like in the microamp region. All they have to do is put a ferrite flux concentrator in the bottom of the glass, and it will coax the magnetic flux to intercept the energy pickup/transmit coil. The data could be easily be transmitted by selectively loading the coil in a serial fashion. The glass processor could easily use the energy coil's frequency as its clock, hence its serial output stream would be synchronous to its power source - quite easy to detect.

    A couple of diodes and a small capacitor is all it takes to recover DC from the field to run the processor on, and those PIC processors are not picky at all on their supply voltages. My guess is they are doing "synchronous rectification" of the field, so they can "modulate" the power converter with the data transmit stream.

    All in all, I think its a quite ingenious plan.

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    1. Re:Inductive coupling by edhall · · Score: 3, Informative

      Read the article; it's far more ingenious than that. The coil is just feed into two PIC inputs, and the PIC's static-protection diodes do the rectification. A zener and a cap across the power pins complete the power supply.

      It gets better. They use the clock pin as one of those inputs. Thus the chip is clocked by the received RF. And by briefing switching the other input to an output, they communicate pulses back to the sender. (That right -- no separate RFID chip, the PIC does all the sending as well as the sensing.)

      Speaking of sensing, it gets even better. The capacitance measurement used to determine the fluid level is done by switiching two other input/output pins and a fixed capacitor to create a charge pump measurement. By counting the number of times a charge on the fluid-measuring capacitance has to be transfered to the fixed capacitor to bring it up to a logic level, they measure picofarad differences corresponding to changing fluid levels easily.

      An utterly amazing bit of minimalist engineering!

      -Ed
  2. Re:Responsible Service of Alcohol by Rhinobird · · Score: 2, Informative

    How is the glass going to know how drunk the person is, and if they should be seerved any more alcohol?

    Well, you see, it tells the waiter that the glass is empty. Remember, if your still able to avoid the floor, your sober enough for another beer.

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  3. Low tech solution by Matthias+Wiesmann · · Score: 5, Informative
    I like high tech stuff, but sometimes, there is a simple low-tech solution that is simpler, cheaper and often more robust.

    Do you know that there is a low tech solution that is in use for years? In germany beer mugs have a lid. If the lid is open, the waiter knows you want a refill, if not you don't want a refill...

    This solution is also wireless...

    1. Re:Low tech solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      And in certain parts of Germany (mostly rural bavaria), it's just assumed that you want a refill (who wouldn't?). They don't have lids on the glasses, but if your beer is empty, they'll just bring you a new one, unless you've placed your coaster on top of the glass.

  4. http://www.merl.com/projects/images/iGlassware.jpg by antdude · · Score: 2, Informative

    Geez, this image is 1500x1575 (550 KB) on http://www.merl.com/projects/iGlassware/ ... I feel bad for slow connection users. :)

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  5. Re:Wow! by Abm0raz · · Score: 2, Informative

    I remember some talk about wireless power and I think Tessla had it figured out a long time ago, but it still boggles my mind :)

    There are lots of everyday examples of wireless power to get energy from one place to another without physical contact. Sunlight, induction, convection, radiation, sound, etc... I believe these are planning to run on induction coils. Very similar to a crystal set radio (a very cheap radio receiver that boyscouts can choose to build for a badge). It can pick-up standard radio stations and uses the power from the radio wave to power the ear piece.

    -Ab

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  6. Re:Not in the UK by SyFryer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some pubs in the UK use a system called 'autovac' (tetleys I think?), this system for bitter delivery is not very hygienic IMHO.

    If someone is using a glass and has it filled from the autovac, the nozzle of the pump goes into the dirty glass, possibly getting contaminated with germs.

    To top that off, any overspill is 'sucked' back into the supply and ready again for delivery to next customer.

    I live out in the sticks, and lots of drinkers like to keep the same glass, some even getting annoyed if the bar staff replaces glass.

    So, thats why I don't drink from autovac, its minging.

  7. Re:Definitely neat. But... by BadDoggie · · Score: 4, Informative
    And you've never actually worked as a server there. There are about 10,000 guests in each tent, being served by about 50-80 women who have to carry up to a dozen freshly-filled 1-liter mugs (Maßkruüge), each weighing in at 2.2kg. Calm down and wait your turn. Maybe if you tried tipping more than the 12 cents to round it up to the next full euro you'd get better service.

    This advice on Oktoberfest bears repeating:

    1. Put your butt on a bench and they'll bring you a beer. You will NOT be served at Oktoberfest unless you are seated. Everyone will let you sit down for the two or three minutes necessary to order a beer if you ask nicely and tell them that's what you're doing.
    2. Tourists go to the HB (Hofbräuhaus); the best beer is Augustiner.
    3. To be sure to get faster service, fuller beer steins and better food, tip 15% or more. The women work HARD (and if you had to listen to the "Hey, Baby" song 3 times an hour, 13 hours a day for 2 1/2 weeks straight, you'd understand).
    I don't need a mug that tells the staff I need another beer; I need one that tells me I don't!

    woof.

  8. Re:So what happens when... by Maeve77 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been working in restaurants here in the U.S. for longer than I care to admit. I've proposed the idea of a handheld device for server's orders more than once, but most restaurants don't want to go through the expense of upgrading their equipment. Never mind that it would save, not only a few miles of paper, but also loads of time, it's just not worth it to them.

    I think it would also be wonderful if the handhelds had credit card scanners. That way a customer's card would never leave their tables, cutting down on fraud that, alas, does take place with some of my more unscrupulous co-workers.

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  9. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I am also familiar with the restaurant industry and I'm not sure this is at all practical. I assume they would transmit the "empty" signal somewhere? Is a mom and pop joint or even a franchise supposed to buy $100 sensor wrist watches for all its waiters? LAUGH! They can barely pay rent, who would raise their overhead by thousands of dollars when they should be hiring GOOD waiters not lazy asses. And how many of those beeper/watches do you think will get stolen or broken by the end of the night? Or if you turn them in they'd certainly be disgusting to wear after someone else has sweated in one and spilt drinks or gumbo on it night after night.

    Oh, or would it be on a monitor in the waitress station? That's all we need, more waiters standing in a crowd and chatting around the waitress station instead of checking on the customer.

    And finally how much extra for one of these "miracle" glasses? At the rate they break glasses in most restaurants this could get expensive quickly even if it's only $1 more.

    I say less of these silly glasses and more competent waiters if you're trying to keep your glasses full.