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Technical Glitches Plague BuyMusic.com

An anonymous reader submits: "Despite its much larger target market, BuyMusic.com does not seem to be the runaway success that Apple's iTunes Music Store was. USA Today is reporting that customers have experienced technical glitches that prevent them from playing their purchases. Another customer reports that the BuyMusic tech support does little more than say 'Sorry, but that's YOUR problem.' Finally, a musician whose music is for sale at BuyMusic questions the legality of BuyMusic's catalog." Scriptygoddess's account of her unhappy experience is mirrored here.

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  1. What are they trying to prevent? by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Funny

    DRM inconveniences ONLY the people who are paying.

    1. Re:What are they trying to prevent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Funny, but TRUE.

      I just came back from a vacation, and I thought I was smart enough to bring a DVD player along (well, my XBOX, since I could watch movies and play games on that one machine), since I knew the hotel's TV would have at least a composite video jack in.

      Plug it in, sit down, and... ...MACROVISION.

      Yet another instance where I am attempting to play a legit product, and am stopped by "copy protection." I decided to fark the movie (and possibly return it out of spite) and just play KOTOR instead. :D

      The funny thing was, if I had ripped the DVD and burned it to a DVD-R, I could've enjoyed the movie I PAID FOR, as I obviously couldn't with the original.

    2. Re:What are they trying to prevent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not sure what's "+1 Funny" about that post. The RIAA and its business partners are seriously fscked if they think that offering their product in a crippled format will keep them ahead.

      Look, the RIAA/MPAA would be long gone, had they not finally realized that audio and video casettes would be the greatest boon to their industry since the gramophone. It may take them some time, but unless they accept p2p as their biggest promoters, they are toast.

      I still remember listening to copied Michael Jackson tracks when I was 6 yrs old or so. And playing copied apple ][ games since I got my first system. Since then I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on software and music, and I'm sure I'd barely have spent a dime if I hadn't got a little "free taste".

      For Christ's sake, I'm sure this has been going on since the first time some cave man decided to copy his neighbor's clay pot design.

    3. Re:What are they trying to prevent? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Informative
      "Plug it in, sit down, and... ...MACROVISION."

      I hear you.

      Firstly, for those who don't know (and yes there are many who don't know even on slashdot,) macrovision is a (very poorly implemented and easily bypassed with the right gear) anti-copying technology the causes the picture to get darker and brighter all the time. On analogue media they play around with the luminance signal and on DVD it's just a macrovision bit that they turn on. You can get macrovision filters to clean this sort of thing up.

      The last time I tried to use my iBook as a DVD player using the composite jack on an external TV, the same thing happenned. The Apple DVD player sent a macrovision signal out with the composite signal. Fortunately I happenned to have VLC which allowed me to properly play the DVD that I had bought within my own rights.

      Alas, stories like this are considered by the industry to be collateral damage.

    4. Re:What are they trying to prevent? by Fishstick · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you sneak into a movie theater and watch a movie without paying, have you committed theft? Piracy? No? (mebbe the theater can call the cops on you for trespassing?)

      Clearly you have done something wrong. You have gotten something without paying the asked price. Do they charge too much? Are they ripping off the Actors by controlling distribution of their work? Maybe.

      Does that give you the moral/legal right to not pay?

      I don't think so. Downloading music instead of buying the CD seems about the same. You aren't stealing. You aren't even a pirate. You are consuming a commercial good/service without paying the asked price. (disclaimer: I have downloaded music without paying)

      Occurs to me that this is more like peeking through the fence at the circus. You aren't going in and enjoying the show without paying, you aren't taking anything away from the circus owner since you probably wouldn't have paid anyway. You aren't even trespassing because you are on public property. But you are doing something wrong. You are getting something for free that the circus owner has spent money to put together to make a living from. He has a right to chase you away from the holes in the fence.

      --

      There is much cruelty in the universe, John.
      Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.

  2. MP3 is for pirates by obsid1an · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This one line says it all: "The problem: Unlike MP3 music tracks plucked from the Net from pirate sites such as Kazaa, music on BuyMusic is encoded in Microsoft's Windows Media Audio format." I won't ever, pay to download anything in WMA format just like I won't install Real player no matter how many porn sites need it. When will these companies learn from what the "pirate sites" have done right and allow people to download the songs in the most popular and compatible format out there. Or even better, let them pick.

  3. Apple, etc. by mrpuffypants · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know it's been said before countless times but you really have to hand it to Apple for writing and backing up an elegant solution to this "dilemma" between the RIAA and consumers. By making it an all-in-one package through iTunes there isn't any questions about supporting Roxio drivers or downloading codecs and licenses for playback of your files.

    to quote the linked blog:
    After all the songs downloaded, I tried to play them. Second problem. Before each song plays - it has to download and verify your license. You can't mulitple select a bunch and do this. You need to do this before EACH SONG will play. [Edited to add: "Verifing your license" means another window pops up that asks for your buymusic login and password... you enter it... it thinks awhile... it thinks some more... Then it comes back and says click "play" to actually play the song...]

    This is just sloppy programming on their part. They are forced to make excuses for other people's software in the first week of release. Apple tossed out iTMS to their entire userbase and said "Now go use it. It works. Perfectly. Always."

    The simplicity of simply allowing 3 computers for playback through iTMS is great (albeit for some that have 13 computers and want to listen to music on ALL at the same time) Just authorize one computer and it will always be able to playback your music even if it's away from a 'net connection.

    BuyMusic.com was rushed and it's apparent in the first damn week. It doesn't hold a candle to iTMS. I can't wait to see it crumble.

  4. My record is on Buymusic.com :( by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I just happened to see a post earlier on /. mentioning this. I happened to look up my old band, The Lovejoys (from Mpls,MN - all others on the net are newer fakes :P )

    My record is on there It is also on CD NOW but that was during the contract and all cool with us. I don't have the contract (another member of the band has it) and I don't remember what it says. I haven't spoken to the other guys yet, but I'm pretty sure that contract ran out awhile ago.

    Every song you buy off of buymusic.com is not paying the artists, that's for sure. And I don't know how Orchard could even have copies to sell, we sent it to them to distribute; they aren't manufacturers.

    We payed for that record out of pocket, and still have a zillion. :( If you like the samples here, let me know and I'll get you a CD. We still have boxes of the album, since the band went down right after releasing it. Ah, the sad stories of Minneapolis...

  5. Funniest Thing I've seen on BuyMusic... by DrLazer · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...and I mean "funny" in the "does this milk taste funny?" sense. And maybe the other way, too.

    I noticed on a random search of favorite artists on their site that they had a complete version of The Beach Boys "Hawthorne, CA" 2 CD set. I looked up the listing, and the complete album download is $39.29. That struck me as kind of steep for some reason, so I double checked, and the CD set (with all the liner notes, packaging, etc.) lists for $26.98. That's a bit of a jump in price, considering you're getting LESS for your money from BuyMusic.

    FWIW, the individual tracks ARE available for 99c each, which can be a good thing, except when the price is also applied to link tracks that run as short as 15 seconds. Really thoughtful on their part.

    --DocL
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    If it wasn't for half of the people in this country, the other half would be all of them -- Col. Stoopnagle
  6. I love this little gem from their Privacy Policy by Xeo2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "we may disclose, sell, trade, or rent your Personally Identifiable Information to others without your consent"

    Privacy? What Privacy?

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    ___ alwaysBETA.com - Hey, you've got nothing better to do.
  7. My back and forth with BuyMusic technical support by BensonLeung · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I wrote BuyMusic with my concerns with their service... specifically with the issue of upgrading my computer, and system failures. I figured they'd be willing to help in either case. Here was the back and forth.

    My Email:

    I am extremely hesitant to spend any money on your web site because of your policy on "primary" and "secondary" licenses. You state on your help page that the licenses that I associate with a computer CANNOT be transferred. Now we cannot kid ourselves that computers do not go outdated or break. I find myself getting a completely new machine every 2 or 3 years. What if I download some music onto my current machine, and, through no fault of mine, its hard drive is wiped... catastrophic data loss. The same goes for if I choose to replace my old computer. Can you assure me that I will still be able to use the music that I bought (and more importantly the license) on another computer? I back up all my data regularly, but what about my "primary" license? If you can assure me that I will not lose music in something as routine as buying a new computer, I will feel comfortable enough to spend money on your service.
    Their Response:
    Thank you for writing to us. We apologize for any confusion. Due to license restrictions, we are unable to allow for extra downloads in the event of a system upgrade or computer crash. We are also unable to assist if songs have been mistakenly deleted or files become corrupted. In addition, the encryption technology that we use is not intended to be compatible with system backup software. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience.

    Please note, however, that in all of the aforementioned cases you are free to download your music again if your license still has downloads available. To see if you still have downloads available, log into your BuyMusic.com 'My Account' and click on 'View My Downloads'.

    Apple, on the other hand, has a form on their support page that specifically deals with cases where a computer goes down for the count, or where the user sells or formats the computer forgetting to deauthorize it.

    http://www.info.apple.com/usen/musicstore/musicsto re.html?topic=computer_authorization

    I'm really really surprised that BuyMusic put absolutely NO thought into what would happen if a user loses his computer, or decides its time to retire it. This is not some obscure issue that will never come up for most people. Upgrading one's computer is the one constant of using a PC, really! Its making very little sense to use this at all compared to going to a store and picking up the CD.

  8. Re:For a good laugh... by CyberSlugGump · · Score: 5, Funny

    Funny, I just got one page :-D

    Thank you for visiting BuyMusic.com.

    In order to take full advantage of BuyMusic.com's offerings you must be on a Windows Operating System using Internet Explorer version 5.0 or higher.

  9. Re:It is your problem not ours... by majorflaw · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Then again, there's the Apple Music Store model:
    1. Design something whch works well;
    2. Make a fair deal (with usually unfair people) and honor your agreement;
    4. Treat those who use your service as valued customers and not like necessary evils;
    5. Profit ?

    Frankly if I were making decisions for Apple, I would seriously cosider *not* making a Windoze version of the Music Store. How long could it possibly take for M$ and the RIAA to agree to somethng obvious.

  10. From the BuyServices site. by Melibeus · · Score: 5, Funny
    About Buy Services Founded in January of 2002, BuyServices is privately held and funded by Buy.com founder Scott Blum. The company develops and operates a cross platform capable, fully hosted e-commerce solution for media, retail and e-tail companies. With the combined talent of experienced e-commerce professionals, BuyServices? goal is to become the premier outsource e-commerce provider
    Cross platform capable? Talent? Professionals? Let me think for a millisecond...
  11. Re:Surprise, surprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Result: left as an exercise for the reader.

    Oooh! I know! Call on me! Call on me... BuyMusic wins because the first company to introduce a superior product (Apple) always finishes last in a marketplace where success is driven by saturation advertising, truth is defined by how often something is repeated, and cheap bad products triumph over carefully crafted and groundbreaking solutions!

    So Apple is toast.

    Do I get a little gold star to put on my name tag?

  12. Re:It is your problem not ours... by majorflaw · · Score: 5, Funny

    "It helps that most of the people Apple has been targeting with their service have at least one of the following qualities: rabid devotion to Apple no matter (so they'll buy it just to make Apple look good), rabid devotion to being as "hip" as possible (so they'll buy it just to make themselves look good)."

    I would like to know how you arrived at this incisive, all inclusive, Apple customer demographic. I only buy what I need and can afford (no iPod yet), and I gave up on being hip 25 years ago. I have no interest in making Apple look good, they seem to be quite good at it themselves.

    "Frankly, if I were Apple I would make a version of iTunes and the Music Store that are compatible with Microsoft Windows as soon as possible-- BEFORE Microsoft and someone else come along."

    I would love to be a fly on the wall during the M$--RIAA negotiations:

    M$: How much will it cost for us to buy you?
    RIAA: We're not for sale, however we will sell you a limited license to use our product.
    M$: Wait a minute, that's our line.
    RIAA: And you'd better act fast; we have solid information that college kids are using your o/s to illegally pirate music, and we are just about to sue them.

    Realistically, do you expect that a Wintel version of the iTunes store will work as easily and reliably as Apple's. I would reverse your market plan and use iTunes to sell Macs rather than let the bitter taste left by an M$/RIAA hybrid do the job for me.
    You really think that M$ would allow iTunes Music Store to work well with their o/s. It's possible, but where's the precedent?