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Microsoft to do for Usenet what it did for Email & The Web?

tjones2 writes "Seems like Microsoft isn't content with sad state of email these days. They now want to "make engaging with communities easier and friendlier". This means extending their reach into Usenet." Fortunately most of Usenet is such a cespool that really they can only make it better. And after cornering the market on email worms, imagine the benefits they can bring to NNTP!

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  1. Great - more e-mail addresses for spammers by terminal.dk · · Score: 1, Troll

    This is all an evil plot by Microsoft. They want more e-mail addresses in the hands of spammers, so they can sell their new upcoming anti-spam software.

  2. NOT A TROLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Maybe Microsoft can improve the Usenet. It's not like they could make it *worse*.

  3. Gates knows what usenet is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I hope they innovate it as good as they did with www.

  4. Attn:Microsoft/Usenet: AI has been solved by Mentifex · · Score: 0, Troll

    Embrace and extend Usenet, Microsoft, because it will turn on you and destroy your monopolistic practices.

    Here is a typical Usenet message that spreads the AI message -- against which Microsoft is ultimately powerless.

    http://mind.sourceforge.net/acm.html is a Do-It-Yourself page
    for artificial intelligence (DIY AI) that invites programmers
    for any given "XYZ" language to commence coding "Mind.XYZ"
    simply by coding the Main Program Loop (ALife) with stubbed-in
    calls to six mind-module subroutines as found on AI4U p. 208:
    Security; Sensorium; Emotion; Think; Volition; Motorium.

    If would-be AI Mind coders for any language will please create
    the main Alife loop for Mind.xyz and host it on the Web with
    language to the effect that the code is in the public domain
    and that anyone may re-post the code with changes or additions,
    then we may witness a "pre-Cambrian" explosion of AI Minds.
    We also want the pathways of AI evolution to split far apart.
    We do not want the exact same AI to be re-coded as Mind.XYZ.
    If each AI coder gives a little and takes a little, lim --> ***

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595654371/ "AI4U"
    is a mixture on both coding and on how the AI Mind-1.1 works
    in JavaScript (with full "jsaimind" listing) and in Forth.
    The AI4U book description contains my plus and minus points:

    + It describes the rapidly evolving AI Minds on the Web.
    - It quickly becomes obsolete as the AI hyper-evolves.
    + On-demand publishing (ODP) makes for quick updates.
    - The Mentifex project is considered oddball on the 'Net.
    + You've got the first book about the first real AI Mind.
    - There are other, better, more authoritative AI textbooks.
    + AI4U makes a good supplement for actually coding AI.
    - Artificial intelligence is too hard to understand.
    + AI4U describes the AI while it is still easy to learn.
    - "I would rather build robots than study AI programming."
    + If you want to build a smart robot, then AI4U is for you.
    - "I'm only a high school student/teacher; what's the use?"
    + This book will challenge even the most gifted student.
    - "I am not a programmer and so I can't code AI."
    + AI4U teaches you how to operate an AI, not just code it.
    - "I just want to do Web design, not artificial intelligence."
    + AI4U provides an AI that you may install on your website.
    - "I am more interested in neuroscience and/or psychology."
    + AI4U teaches a theory of how the brain works psychologically.

    http://mind.sourceforge.net/vb.html is a Visual Basic AI Blog
    that tries to coordinate between the AI Mind project and, e.g.,
    http://www.virtualentity.com/mind/vb/ -- Mind.Forth to Mind.VB.

  5. Hot for Hillary (part 1/5) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    HOT FOR HILLARY (RODHAM CLINTON) (1/6)

    By B. Traven

    "Hillary is both Clinton's greatest asset and greatest liability
    to Clinton's campaign for the White House. She is intelligent and has
    a successful career of her own. She is also attractive, which is a two-edged
    sword - with most men wanting to go to bed with her, and most women
    wanting to scratch her eyes out."
    - Time Magazine, Febuary 1992

    "Well, I could have stayed home and baked cookies."
    - Hillary Rodham Clinton, March 1992

    "It is should be the sole goal of all Republicans - indeed of all
    Americans of conscience - to devote their lives for the next few years
    toward the removal from the White House of President Clinton and her
    husband Bill." - Roger Ailes, April 1993, Republican campaign strategist and
    president, CNBC

    "Hillary Rodham Clinton is a disaster to this country.
    She is far left of the American mainstream, and is unaccountable to anyone."
    - William Rusher, National Review, June 1993

    "Near the top of the list [ of women that men would most like to screw ] would
    be the First Lady - Hillary Rodham Clinton"
    - Al Goldstein - Screw Magazine, March 1993

    "The whole fabric of human existence is that of domination and submission."
    - Friedrich Nietzsche

    **

    John Peterson toweled the sweat off his forehead after coming back
    from his daily run. Peterson was a large muscular man almost 6' 4". He
    had dark hair that was cut short and always perfectly combed.
    He carried his large frame in a ramrod straight posture that gave
    him an towering, almost menacing appearance, the kind that would make
    men sometimes instinctly back away when he entered a room.
    If anyone got close enough to look into his steel-grey eyes,
    though, they would see no menace; they would instead
    see a surprising depth and a hint of sadness.

    When back home in D. C. he tried to catch up on the swimming and
    weight-training routine at the gym. Since joining the Secret Service two
    years ago, however, he was rarely at home. Peterson enjoyed the travel and the
    feeling of power it gave him to protect the lives of officials in the name
    of the Secret Service. People were deferential and respectful to him as if
    he had the same authority and power of the official he was protecting. While
    on President Bush's detail in the final months of his administration,
    he privately imagined that he was the president. Of course he kept such
    silly fantasies to himself because he was very much a professional.

    Since his divorce a few years ago, his career in the Secret Service
    had taken over an even larger part of his life.
    He and Becky had parted amiably after 5 years;
    and being childless made it easier for both of them to call it quits. She was a
    lawyer in a prestigious law firm in D. C. and was said to be on a fast track
    to becoming the firm's first female partner. Maybe he was old-fashioned,
    (A Neanderthal according to Becky in a heated argument), but he still
    envisioned the ideal home life to be one were the loving wife and children
    were home to greet him after a long, hard day. He realized now that he
    was trying to escape from the less than ideal home life with Becky by
    joining the Secret Service.

    In college he joined the ROTC, and following graduation he was commissioned
    as an officer in the US Army. He enjoyed the structure of military life and
    had a promising career in the service. After eight years at the rank of Captain
    he surprised many by leaving. With a old college friend he started a security
    business in D. C. that did remarkably well. He met Becky at a party. She
    was a vibrant, fresh-faced blond who looked more like a farmer's daughter
    than a law student of Georgetown. They hit off immediately, and
    married a few months later following her graduation. Life with
    Becky had been wonder

  6. Re:Sounds like their ideas are OK, though by lvdrproject · · Score: 1, Troll
    Exactly: it's great, but only if you know where to look. Sounds as though Microsoft's ideas on this one are steps in the right direction. I'm a Usenet veteran, but still find it difficult to identify a group that's relevant to me when I first want to explore a new subject.

    I really have no idea what you're talking about. I got into Usenet when i was 14 years old (i'm 16 now), and i was subscribed to all the groups i like within 2 or 3 minutes of downloading the groups from my server for the very first time. Of course, i only use Usenet for binaries, but i have taken part in discussion once or twice. It's not difficult at all.

    How do you have to "know where to look" any more than you do when you're on the Web or on a peer-to-peer network? With any modern client, you just go to the groups list, you type in something you're looking for, like "movies" or "cartoons" or "microsoft" or "support" or "food", or whatever, and then it'll display a list of all the groups that match. You subscribe to them, you download the headers, and there's your messages. I fail to see how it's any more difficult than email or Google. :/

    Really, i'm not sure i want Microsoft to mess with Usenet. Sure, it could be improved, but really most of the room for improvement is up to the clients. Grabit is extremely easy to use if you want binaries, and Outlook Express will work for most discussion-type uses (though there are better solutions, i'm sure). Having support for nesting would be nice, but i'm not really informed about the Usenet protocol, so i'm not sure how that would work. /me shrug

    Also, even if Microsoft did make the experience more convenient or whatever, do we really want that? Didn't people have a huge problem when AOL made the Internet "more convenient" for people that didn't know what they were doing? If Microsoft makes Usenet easier for "n00bs" (and i use that word with much prejudice) to get onto, i wonder how decent the experience will actually turn out to be. I know i've never downloaded a fake file from Usenet, but i've done so from KaZaA a dozen times. And the rush of people that have no idea what they're doing has certainly degraded the quality of IRC, with people who have no idea about chat etiquette, or people who just can't plain read instructions. (It's particularly annoying when some 13-year-old joins a chat channel and sits there and tries to ' !list ' a couple times, for example.)

    I just don't think it's a good idea. They're either going to try to ruin Usenet outright, or they're going to indirectly ruin it by flooding it with people who have no idea what they're doing.

  7. Re:First AOLers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I wish I could filter posts with "Micro$oft" in them, then I wouldn't have to read so much drivel from angry 12 year old boys who can't get their scanner working.