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indole writes "Some /.'ers might remember the story of Sherman Austin, a Californina native who created the "anarchy" website raisethefist.com. Besides posting links to bomb-making instructions, the site caught the ire of the FBI for advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government. Well, approximately 18 months later Sherman Austin, now age 20, has been sentenced to 1 year in federal prison. According to Austin, 'he took a plea bargain because he feared his case was eligible for a terrorism enhancement, which could have added 20 years to his sentence.' Doubleplusungood."
This is the problem with censorship.
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His speech was deemed harmful, something we haven't had the right to (and shouldn't!) before. To say something just to hurt someone is the same as hurting them.
This isn't the case of a political extremist giving a public speech to express his views. Enough people thought he was dangerous, and promoting violence, that he got a year in jail. So don't go waving the "All censorship is evil and bad" banner too much. You end up looking foolish.
Moderation: Put your hand inside the puppet head!
Just remember we came here to get away from ignorant dipshit's like you....
Wait - let me guess: you are one of those fucked up leftie extremists that think the constitution is a suicide pact, right?
As for your support of racial profiling, what's your response to the paper that shows that it doesn't work?
I don't understand how "it doesn't work", since it's not supposed to be happening, hmmm?
It's pseudofascist morons like you that are ruining this country, not the kid in his basement.
I'd say the problem is actually fucking liberal hippies like yourself. But that's just me.
why don't you move to a country that has a legal system more to your liking?
Actually, I like it just fine. What was your point again?
> a quote that defines just how many of your rights have been looted from under your ignorant feet
What that quote fails to mention, however, is that they could mostly do this before, without PATRIOT. It more clearly defines what, exactly, they can DO while conducting the "sneak & peak," but doesn't add too much power.
I'm not saying it's right (I'd personally feel justified in killing a fucking pig if he came snooping around my house w/o my knowledge or permission & scared the shit out of me), just that the quote is very misleading.
I am sure there's lots of kooky liberals out there which are going to burn me for this, but I am telling it how it is. These "rights" everyone here is talking about is just a bunch of balogna! Everyone acts as if they mean more than anything, but the fact remains, they were "granted" by a troup of Godless men, 200 years ago.
Only Christ the Lord can give you rights. He gives you the right to be a good, obedient servant of His, and in return, He gives you the right to Heaven. If you do not obey Him, then you earn the right to an enternity of death in hell. If God had seen fit that this young man should go free, God would have come into the judge and told the judge to go easy. But He didn't, Christ knew this boy had to be punished, so He directed the judge to lay down the law.
Trying to go off and do your own thing is only going to get you destroyed! All you leftist goons are only going to get yourselves sent to hell by concerning yourself with free speech and these so-called "rights" that have only lead towards more immorality and ungodliness in the United States of America.
The United States of America is a wholesome, Christian nation with a good Christian man at the helm! (Sadly, there are some women in the government, but eventually The Lord will see to it they are put down and replaced with good men. Women cannot be godlike because they are women and the source of sin.) By virtue that the government is lead by Christians, ergo The Lord, it cannot do any wrong because Christ the Lord is perfect and without sin. So, if the government of the United States of America says: "this is how it is", then you had best accept it as Gospel!
So hopefully, you liberals, libertarians, whatever you call yourselves, will see the light and realize there's only three ways you can have "rights":
1) Obey The Lord and the Word of the Lord (so read the Bible!)
2) Obey those who The Lord places into power, like George Walker Bush, a good Christian man
3) Stand up and fight back against people who go against The Lord's nation: America
And if you're a woman, you can must also remember that the man who took you as his wife is your closest link to God, so be sure to remember steps 1 and 2. Obey the man who took you as his wife as you would obey Christ the Lord!
Don't forget that you should join the military (if you're a man). God needs soldiers in His spirtual war against the evil of the world. It's a holy battle we, as Americans, are fighting. It's good to know the army of God is marching against all those Muslims and other nonbelievers.
Now, would you all please get off your liberal high-horses and forget this atheist, constitutional nonsense. The only document you need for good, Christian living is the Bible!
I'm presenting my viewpoint. If you disagree, discuss it, don't moderate.
This isn't 1984, and this young kid certainly isn't Winston. Hey...it wasn't bomb-making, or anarcy, or anything else that got this kid in trouble - this stuff is all over the web and has been for years. Specifically, it was advocating the violent overthrow of the United States Government that got this kid toasted.
Advocating the violent overthrow of the United States government never has been, or will be, legally protected constitutional amendment and associated laws which gaurd freedom of speech, and I'm amazed that so many penis-brains on this board don't get it.
This is purely an issue of free speach (linking to information the US government doesn't like) since that is the only thing he has been convicted of.
Hey, do you know of anyone that works as a clerk for the federal government? Maybe a tax accountant or some other mundane job? DO THEY DESERVE TO DIE FOR BEING A CLERK? DO THEY? Free speech? MY ASS!
Do you think that no clerks, secretaries, mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, and CHILDREN died when Tim McVeigh decided to declare his personal war on the government? What about all the regular people that were there taking care of some beauracratic paperwork? WHAT ABOUT ALL OF THE INNOCENT CHILDREN IN THE DAYCARE? REMEMBER THE COVER OF THE MAGAZINES WITH THE FIREFIGHTER TAKING THE DYING CHILD OUT OF OKLAHOMA CITY? What did that child have to do with Tim McVeighs agenda? Why do you think that a man (he was 18) espousing attacking government installations and linking explosives information was NOT ADVOCATING WHAT THAT BUTCHER McVEIGH DID?
Yeah, this kid was only hacking and advocating the attack of the US Govt, then linking to explosives. The vast majority of the federal US Gov't, like all governments, are very, very benign. Attack people that are involved in farm subsidies and veterans home loans? When it comes to someone advocating something like that, I tell my local police force one thing... aim for the head.
America, no matter what you say, or think, does not just up and kill dissenters. After all, they only put this guy in jail for a year. In China, we would have never even been talking about this kid. We never would have even known.
Attacking the government will almost always involve collateral damage to innocents. Like a person that takes a gov't desk job should just expect to have to defend their life against the kind of "treachery against the masses" that these, and other idiots on slashdot and everywhere else speak of.
It's almost like saying... take a job at the ATF enforcing tobacco rules? Then we, the socialist a-holes deserve the right to attack and kill you. YOU CAN'T ATTACK. WE ARE OBLIGED TO. That sounds like the best, cleanest, most irrefutable way for my local law enforcement to cap someone to me.
Sounds a little duplicitous, doesn't it? Just like everyone's little friends, Al-Qaeda. "GOD IS ON OUR SIDE SO WE CAN KILL, YOU CAN NOT!"
Home-made explosives hardly ever get their intended targets, but are excellent at hitting innocents.