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Walk-thru Fog Screen
fluor2 writes "Ever wanted a screen floating in air? Two scientists, Ismo Rakkolainen and Karri Palovuori, both from Tampere University of Technology, Finland have come up with an idea. It is called the Walk-thru Fog Screen. The fog screen, consisting of 'fog' that is blown down from top, and the protective laminar airflow creates a thin and crisp surface, pretty undisturbed by the air in the rest of the room, making it ideal for projector usage. People can walk right through this screen of fog. Their next idea is to use the fog as a touch-screen, making it even more accessible." For a screen one can walk through, the image quality is better than I'd have thought.
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Oh...Emm...Gee!!!! (OMG)
Just imagine! You know the holographs they designed for the Star Wars trilogies? Those effects are now possible with this sort of device, and the fog would look so much more natural in the movie! Besides movies, what other uses can you imagine for this technology?
Just watched the video clip of the two Finns demonstrating the screen in the museum. It appears the wall of fog is very thick, though the creators said this is adjustable depending on how transparent you want the screen to be. Wonder how quiet/noisy this is, and whether they can clean up the bottom of the screen.
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So will this be installed with a "Wise Old Man" Genuine People Personality in the Captain's quarters of future naval ships?
Will we see giant submarines in the future that go into space and...
Err, sorry. Got sidetracked.
This is cool. In a 1996 sorta way.
I am not really sure what display use it has in the "real world" but it would make a great cinematic effect.
Also you could scare folks in amusement park rides making them think they are about to crash into stuff.
You could also hide behind it and spy on people maybe...
Who knows...
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The video features a mime. No not a MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) but one of those guys with the white face paint. A very bad choice. If they don't want people to hate their product they sound use *anything* else.
This isn't going to be used in business meetings, where projection screens are available anyway. I guess smoke-screens will be used as advertising space: One could use them much closer to or in the way of the customer flow at trade shows, without risking damage to equipment or consumer. For that purpose, a little image unstability may even prove useful as eye-catcher.
This technology would be very useful for extremely realistic firearms training. Think FPS with real guns. The bullets would create holes in the fog screen which could be recognized by video sensors and this information could in turn be used as an input to the simulation.
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To be honest, it needs work; the top of the screen looks fine, but turbulence causes the bottom of the screen to ruffle about like a flag in wind. Watch the movies provided; the bottom half of the images are all but lost to distortion.
What, like what these guys have been doing for years?
Wasn't this the type of TV set they had in Seaquest DSV for the AI computer?
:-)
Yes it was. It's simply someone that yet again took an idea from Science Fiction and made it reality.
Kinda like thise silly Sattelites, lasers and rockets to the moon
It's just that it seems that science is catching up to Science Fiction alot faster these days.
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I thought about making 'real' holograms using this technology. It just _might_ be possible. I think that given enough motivation, and the right people working on this, there can be progress made in the right direction. Why am I hopeful? Well, your mentioning it being impossible motivated me a bit.. :)
Now, I will let my imagination run wild and try to address the problems you mentioned. Even though I am no engineer, perhaps something resembling my ideas might be possible. First, holding the fog in its 'proper shape'. How about a system manipulating the airflow around the hologram? Heavy focused airflow. Or how about a magnetically charged fog, the outline of which easily modelled by means of surrounding electromagnetic fields? Crazy? I don't know. Television would have sounded like a pretty crazy idea too some hundred years ago. (...Doesn't prove I'm right, I know...)
Secondly, creating the image? A system of lasers and mirrors (or something able to _quickly_ change the direction of the lightbeams) surrounding the projection?
Now tell me I'm crazy!
First, on average there are less than two eyes in a human. So you don't necessarily need the "hologram" do look correctly from all points of view, just from two. Second, the eyes are so close that sometimes you don't even need the stereo, the flat object can look 3D enough if you successfully use other cues (like place this "hologram" behind some objects and in front of others). Add to that eye tracking for the observer and you can dinamically adjust the picture for the the observer's position. If you can walk around the object, it would look sufficiently 3D.
Of course, this will not allow the creation of a completely realistic illusion of a real 3D object, but it would still look cool.
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Re:It's all done with Smoke and Mirrors... (Score:3, Funny)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 08, @06:21PM (#4412962)
This is nothing but vapor-ware
vs todays':
hmmm (Score:5, Funny)
by boogy nightmare (207669) on Friday August 08, @05:29AM (#6643279)
is this what they call vapor-ware ?
That joke becomes funnier with time?
Anyway, it was impressive until I saw what they were showing. All that achievement and technology, and they were showing a Doraemon anime. I think it was a pirate VCD because there were illegible subtitles on the bottom of the screen. The resolution was pretty low. It would have been much better off with a production specifically designed for the medium.
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Honestly - if anyone knows a format that can be played on out-of-the-box Windows, OS X and common Linux distros without the installation of any extra software, I'd love to hear about it.
While I don't have an answer to that, I know of an answer that requires a similar amount of work for all those platforms: RealPlayer. Yes, it can be annoying. But it works. I happily use RP on windows and linux, and I'm pretty sure even my old PowerBook 5300 could handle it (just to prove it to myself I'll try it tonight).
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wmv8 dshow working Windows Media Video 8 [wmv8ds32.ax]
wmv7 dshow working Windows Media Video 7 [wmvds32.ax]
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qth263 qtvideo crashing win32/quicktime H.263 decoder [QuickTime.qts]
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qtvp3 qtvideo crashing win32/quicktime VP3 decoder [On2_VP3.qtx]
qtzygo qtvideo problems win32/quicktime ZyGo decoder [ZyGoVideo.qtx]
qtbhiv qtvideo untested win32/quicktime BeHereiVideo decoder [BeHereiVideo.qtx]
qtcvid qtvideo working win32/quicktime Cinepak decoder [QuickTime.qts]
qtindeo qtvideo crashing win32/quicktime Indeo decoder [QuickTime.qts]
qtmjpeg qtvideo crashing win32/quicktime MJPEG decoder [QuickTime.qts]
qtmpeg4 qtvideo crashing win32/quicktime MPEG-4 decoder [QuickTime.qts]
qtsvq3 qtvideo working win32/quicktime SVQ3 decoder [QuickTimeEssentials.qtx]
qtsvq1 qtvideo problems win32/quicktime SVQ1 decoder [QuickTime.qts]
I wonder how well a laminar flow smoke curtain would do with images projected on BOTH sides? The cool effect I imagine is walking down a corridor with several of these screens crossing it. As you walk through the image of a wall with a door in it, you turn around and see the image of the other side of the "wall". Look forward again and you see the next "wall", which you can also walk through to see what's on the other side. The series of images could give a tourist a walk right through a virtual pryramid, or some other interesting tour, like the entrance hall in the opening sequence of 'Get Smart' or MST3K.
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Because the load on the air conditioning for removing all of that humidity from an indoor setup will be huge.
(Some days it works really well, some days it doesn't.)
Saw this as Siggraph as well. It did attract a lot of interest. I walked through it, and most impressive is that you do not feel anything, the airflow is suprisingly low. The biggest problem I had is that the very bright light from the actual projector is visible, I see no way to avoid this and the image certainly looked better the more you are in line with the projector, but that light was blinding.
Also at the same show and more interesting imho:
The most important thing there was a High Dynamic Range display. They placed an LCD in front of a rear-projection display and the combined modulation results in a contrast range of 70000:1. This allows much more realistic images. The images I saw looked like a good slide projector, but could be better in a darker room. There was some registration problems, but they say they are working on using bright white LED's behind the LCD, resulting in a flat screen that is as sharp as an LCD. PS: they patented the idea, which for this I think is ok as long as they actually manufacture an open device, they were a little hesitant to say this, though the current driver is just a dual-headed graphics card and it seems hard to believe you could do much better than that.
Also interesting was a rear-projection globe. It was maybe 6' in diameter and translucent white. This used a single rear projector in the base, reflected off a cone-shaped mirror inside at the top, to project on all sides. They had software showing images of the earth, other planets, continental plate drift. The brightness was suprisingly uniform and the fact that there was a black hole at the north pole was not a problem. A trackball let you spin the globe and the image moves very solidly, indicating the geometry is pretty accurate and they matched it with their image warping software (probably a hardware renderer using texture maps to distort the image correctly). Biggest problem is the room is going to have to be really dark for it to look good.
There was also a demo of those "project on a flat surface" keyboards, and it really works. You can learn to type on it correctly in only a few minutes of practice. Biggest problem I see is that the alignment with the flat surface is critical, the phone manufacturers are going to have to come up with clever folding stands to stand the phone/pda at exactly the right angle. Also it seems obvious to me that the projected image could change, not just to different keyboards, but be used as a display. It requires distortion of the display much like that globe, but even a PDA could do that now.
It has also been done in Vegas 8 years ago at the MGM Grand Hotel's EFX show (now defunct):
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The fog wall in the show was huge, and they would project a scene onto the fog while the actors and props would be moved into place. Then the fog would dissipate and the projected 'scene' would come to life.
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heh, the fog in nightclubs lingers for at least 10 minutes after released, then afterwards (if used enought) the whole place smells like fog juice.
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This is actually a repost from a few months back. I first saw it when they demoed it at an IT convention in Helsinki -the pictures don't quite tell the truth about the quality of the image, it's in fact a lot more stable and crisp than it might seem -and sticking your hand was neat, too, although it got me into trouble actually punching one of those ancient solid-monitors we still have at the office :) Anyway, from what I've heard (haven't been around there for a while), the quality has gotten even better nowadays. I wouldn't really start speculating about holographic displays yet. It's just 'cool.'
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