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SCO Execs Dumping Stock

luigi6699 writes "According to the Salt Lake Tribune, 'SCO Group executives have sold about 119,000 shares of their company since it filed a lawsuit against IBM in March...' Their CFO started the $1.2 million sell-off just after the lawsuit."

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  1. Mainstream media? by Bob+McCown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe the mainstream media is finally going to get a peek at what we've been talking about for months!

    1. Re:Mainstream media? by dnoyeb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Doubt it. SCOX stock is not really discussed by any professionals at this point. it has little to no institutional ownership. The players are ignoring SCOX...

      " Their CFO started the $1.2 million sell-off just after the lawsuit."

      I kind of think they started this dump AFTER their stock when through the roof. WHy did their stock go through the roof? First profitable quarter ever. Why was it the first profitable quarter ever? Microsoft. RTFQ(Q=Quarterly report) [Sun also bought a license]

      This was for UNIX licensing, little different that the law suit related stuff sort of.

      BTW, you should see all the sub $1.00 stock options flying about.

      Im into these fools for about 100 shares. On the short side.

  2. Where the HELL is the SEC? by Scott+Lockwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One really has to wonder - this is SO blatent, why is the SEC not in this up to their necks?

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    1. Re:Where the HELL is the SEC? by Tom7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why, what are they doing that's illegal?
      It's not exactly "insider info" that their lawsuit is shit and their stock as high as it'll ever go...

    2. Re:Where the HELL is the SEC? by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whether the claims are bogus or not will be determined in court, and as long as their sales filings to the SEC are in a timely manner, there's nothing to indicate that there's anything improper going on.

      This is a really overblown story. The figure they're quoting is only about 2% of insider shares, so it's not like this is a "pump and dump." Granted, nobody likes what SCO is doing, but this story doesn't cut it...

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    3. Re:Where the HELL is the SEC? by El · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I go into a chat room and make false claims about some company in order to make it's stock go up or down, I can be charged with securities fraud. (As at least one person has been.) Why then is it ok to make equally inacurate claims in a press release? These guys are deliberately trying to sabotage the share values of many large companies that have built products around Linux -- including IBM, Oracle, HP, Sharp and many others. Try lying about these companies in a public forum in a transparent attempt to try to drive their stock down, and see if the SEC doesn't come after you!

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    4. Re:Where the HELL is the SEC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So if a company diliberately brings a lawsuit they know is fake purposly to jack up the stock price so they can cash out before the company collapses i't totally ok?

    5. Re:Where the HELL is the SEC? by xsbellx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since when is there a direct connection between lawsuits and stock prices? A bogus lawsuit, of this magnitude, and the executives dumping stock should be seen by the investors (stock owners) for what it is; a really good indication that it's time to run, run far and run fast.

      As much as I don't like what SCO is doing and would love to see them all die a horrible flaming death, what, other than possibly baritry (SP?) have they done that is illegal? Before the flames are unleased, please read the question again, it say ILLEGAL not immoral or stupid.

      If the SCO execs all got together in, oh let's say November, and started buying large (insert abritrary SEC defined number) quantities of stock prior to announcing the suit, that could and to my untrained eyes would, be insider trading and/or fraud.

      Now just to let you in on another little secret, somebody has to be willing to buy what you are selling. So the real question now becomes who are the morons buying good money for a portion of a company that may or may not have a revenue stream? At the present time, anyone who considers SCO stock any better than an other-the-counter, very junior mining stock should start learning a little about investment. The old adage "A fool and his money are soon parted" applies quite well to this situation.

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  3. Re:Kinda says it all, doesn't it. by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm not surpised at the move, but *jeesh*, could you be any more blatant?

    What does this say about SCO's belief in the lawsuit? McBribe was blathering on about how IBM's refusal to indemnify its customers showed what IBM thought of its case. How about the chiefs dumping all of their stock? Yeah that's a major confidence builder!

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  4. Putting Your Guilt Where Your Mouth Is by aerojad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this insider selling continues as an IBM vs. SCO trial were to draw closer, that would mean that SCOs own top brass don't think they much of a chance. Of course of SCO winds up going under, those same top brass will probably have questions asked of them for why they sold before IBM destroyed them (if it happens that way).

    Benifit of the doubt though, insider selling does happen in companies to take profit, and if you look at SCO's 1 year preformance going from 95 cents to 16 dollars at it's recent peak (an increase of nearly 1,700%), you would see why it would seem intelligent to sell.

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  5. Insider trading is a sham, BUT... by squarooticus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...this isn't just insider trading: it's fraud pure and simple, and thus should be punished.

    The difference between the two in my eyes is that insider trading charges can target people who have no control over the company's action. Case in point: Martha Stewart, who might have known that the stock was going to drop, but had no control over whether it did or not. Punishing someone for selling because of what they thought seems like an egregious violation of privacy and civil rights AND is incredibly hard to prove; but punishing someone for selling because they engage in the systematic dissemination of disinformation related to the enterprise for the express purpose of increasing their payout at the expense of other stockholders is perfectly justifiable. That, my friends, is fraud.

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  6. It pisses me off that they win. by jonhuang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There, I said it. Sure linux marches on and the company will be pounded by big blue--but they, by which I mean the owners, get the cash for the FUD and run off. Legal liability is borne by SCO, which files for bankruptcy protection.

    There's a lot of gloating here today, but I think that the SCO execs got what they wanted, the lawyers got rich, and everyone else would have benifited from this never happening in the first place.

    gg.

  7. Another relevant Koshism by Cyclometh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."

  8. I bet you by damballah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that the company that bought their license yesterday is a little nervous right now.

  9. Re:Fark: Obvious by Cyclometh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh, grrow the fuck up. Learn to differentiate between humor (even tasteless) and something actually worth getting offended over. There's way too many whiny little crybabies getting offended by something someone said these days. Don't like it? Move along, and turn in your PC police badge at the exit. You don't have to find it amusing, but jeebus fucking christ, grow a damn skin.

  10. Re:Wow by earthforce_1 · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Yes, but all of the 13.7 million outstanding shares were not held by the executives.

    From further down the article:
    Bench (the CFO) has sold 17,151 shares in three separate sales since March 10, reducing his holdings to 228,043 shares, according to the Washington Service and regulatory filings. Vice President Michael Wilson sold his entire stake of 12,000 shares between July 14 and July 18, the Washington Service said...

    Also:
    Before Bench's sale, SCO insiders had not sold shares in more than a year, according to the Washington Service, a firm that tracks insider transactions.

    A suddent >5% sale gets noticed, but nobody can dispute that a 100% sale is significant to say the least. (Imagine if Billy-boy suddenly dumped 5% of his billion+ MS shares?)

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  11. Re:Selling not as descriptive as Buying by elmegil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hopefully the SEC will investigate. Definitely sounds like a pump and dump move to me.

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  12. Do the math, SCO will be bankrupt in December by brentlaminack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    According to the story, SCO burned through $14 million last fiscal year. They had $10 million in the bank in April. This is about 8 1/2 months worth of fuel. This is assuming that this year is the same as last in terms of revenue (probably going down) and expenses (probably going up). So 8 1/2 months from April puts them running on fumes in December. I doubt this saga will drag on for years.

  13. Re:Kinda says it all, doesn't it. by Software · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As the government's lawyer, Boies won the case against Microsoft, and his cross-examination of Microsoft's witnesses was legendary. See here, for example. So, yes, he would be just the lawyer I'd want on my side. It's very unfortunate that he's on SCO's side in this case.

  14. Re:Selling not as descriptive as Buying by Jonavin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Insiders sell stocks all the time, but not at SCO Group apparently. According to the article, there hasn't been any activity for a year. Insider selling activity has increased since the law suite started.

  15. Re:A better chart by budgenator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    actualy I thought it interesting that after SCO throwing a multi-billion dollar lawsuit at IBM, habitualy bad-mouthing or scare-mongering anything Linux, and harrassing RH's customers, that their stock value looked pretty un-effected.

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  16. Re:A better chart by SubtleNuance · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, really, when (if) RHAT or IBM scores the stays in their countersuits, RHAT is going to double in price... it is going to get alot of "Linux is Safe Technology(TM)" press.

  17. Re:Stay far far away from both. by some+damn+guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What he was talking about was not risk management however. He had absolutely no intention of even holding SCO's stock. He wanted to make money by watching SCO's stock go into the toilet. God bless him for it too, I just think it's risky for the reasons above.

    By the way, since we're quoting people, Warren Buffet, the biggest player in some of the biggest and most sucessful insurance companies in the world- and who knows a thing or two about risk management, called options "financial weapons of mass destruction" in his latest annual report and detailed his plans to get out of the options business as fast as he posibly can. Read all about it at BerkshireHathaway's website.

    To highlight the problem, he has no idea how long it will take for him to even be able to get out of it. The way options are used for risk management has led to arrangements that are stupifyingly complex. It's kind of like this- would you trust a billion line program not to crash? Of course not because you would never, realistically speaking, be able to figure it all out.

    Look at LTCM and Enrons adventures with options. They all thaught they were pretty smart too. Because options deal with hypothetical situations, valuing them is extremely difficult. You have many situtations in which people have widely differing valuations and this can cause chaos for accounting. Fancy formulas can only take you so far. The more complex things get, the more chances there are for things to break.

    This is a man with as close to an impeccable record as it gets and he wouldn't lose any sleep if options were outlawed. Beware, because some very savy people look at options and see a great big steaming pile of financial risk.

    Everyone shoudl put an option-driven perfect-storm-style financial meltdown on their list of possible 21st century catastrophies.