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Using Cellophane For 3D Displays On Your Laptop
prestidigital writes "From the abstract:
[the authors] present a novel, inexpensive, stereoscopic technique for generating 3D displays from cellophane and a laptop computer screen.
(Once again my physnews update sends me email that doesn't suck!)"
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Okay, I just had to respond to this. I've been a long-time semi-dabbler in stereophotography, and naturally anything 3-D related on /. just jumps right out at me (sorry about the pun). This article, while organized in a scholarly-looking fashion, really doesn't present anything new whatsoever. In fact, if I'm reading it correctly, you can achieve exactly the same results with no cellophane at all!
They talk a lot about cellophane having natural polarizing characteristics (I'd never heard that, but okay). Then they talk about how laptops have polarizers built into them -- sure, I've known that ever since the glasses for Starchaser: Legend of Orin made my digital watch look funky. Where their article breaks down is in the actual application of polarizing technology on the laptop.
They suggest putting the right eye's image on the left half of the screen, and the left eye's image on the right, then using polarizing filters to ensure that each eye only sees what's appropriate for it. Great. No problem. Except that there is one problem -- when your left eye is looking at the right half of the screen, your right eye is looking there, too!!
In order for your brain to properly "fuse" the images together, your eyes will have to perform some tiresome calisthenics -- that is, your left eye is going to have to turn slightly right, to face the right half of the screen, while your right eyes turns slightly left. Basically, you're crossing your eyes.
If you're just going to cross your eyes anyway, drop all the cumbersome cellophane goggles and overlays and crap, and simply look at two images side by side.
Also, I'm not convinced that placing a polarizer over half the screen wouldn't just turn that half of the screen totally black (as shown in figure 2 of the paper).
The challenge for 3-D image display isn't blocking the "wrong" images from each eye, it's blocking the wrong images when they're displayed in the same space -- overlaid in a single frame. For that, you need colors (anaglyphic glasses), or polarizing filters (again, though, both images displayed in the same space), or lcd shutters (multiplexing the images in time, rather than in color or polarization). Or you can use a lenticular screen, that bends the images left or right and draws them in a series of interlaced vertical stripes.
But not what they're suggesting here. It all seems pretty useless to me.
[obCaveat: "Unless I'm missing the point entirely."]
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I can't wait to try this with TuxRacer.
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I recommend wrapping the cellophane around your head. It takes very little time after application before things look 3D, an effect that lasts suprisingly long before everything goes black.
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I believe displays that use this technique already exist, but couldn't you print a transparency with a special dot pattern, and place it over the laptop screen? The dots would be arranged so that the parallax from your eye spacing would block the pixels that the other eye can see. Laser printers have much more resolution than LCD screens, so you could adjust for the changing viewing angle from the center to the edges of the screen. You'd have to be able to control the distance from the mask to the screen pretty accurately, and there would be pretty much only one viewing position.
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cellophane has a poor separation quality, i.e the difference between 90 degrees (blocked) and 0 degrees (pass) polarized light is little.
Real lab-quality polarizer crystals are way to expensive and generally too small for this application.
however, sheet polarizing material can be bought in photo equipment stores and cut to size with normal scissors. It's more expensive than cellophane but less expensive than lab polarizers and has a quality that is waaaaay better than cellophane. I paid about 15 bucks for 25*25 cm. about 8 years ago in Germany. Hama sold them at the time
This animated GIF technique showed up on Metafilter a couple of weeks ago, and for me it was one of those "Why the hell didn't anyone try this sooner" epiphanies for me. Yes, the constant jitter while flipping between frames gets old, but not nearly as old as straining your eyes with the 'cross-eye' viewing method.
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I'm assuming its similar to this .
I just hope the solution was more inventive than doing the old theatrical movie stunt about using relative shifting of color information and celluloid glasses - which gives you depth information at the expense of color information. Spy Kids 3D just did this using a blue or green image for the left eye and a red image for the right.. That one's been around since the 40's. In both movie and book. Cute trick but it gives me headaches to see it for any length of time.
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I guess that this is more proof of the old saying that technology is driven by either
a) Man's desire to impress women
b) Man's desire to find a subsitute for women when he is rejected
No, because your right eye is wearing a polarizer that blacks out the right half of the screen and lets it see only the left half. See figure 3.
Yes, that's true, but your right eye isn't focused on (isn't pointing at) the left side of the screen -- it's looking where your left eye is, that is, at the right half of the screen, toed in to be where your brain knows the screen is.
So the only way this could work is if you focus your eyes at the center of the screen, and then maybe, your brain will fuse the images into one. Or you'll relax and eventually your eyes will automatically cross to do the fusing for you.
All this does, as another poster pointed out, is to help to hide the "phantom" images that you'd see, and potentially be confused by, when crossing your eyes. But when looking at one or the other image, the other one will always be a peripheral image, unless you cross your eyes to really focus on that side of the screen.
In practice, what you'll probably see with this is an image that sort of shimmers half clear and half black, and a near-duplicate of the image just to the side (perhaps one one side, perhaps on the other). I'll bet that actually fusing the images, in practice, will be difficult and not all that natural. They didn't have any photographs of people actually using their proposed apparatus, so I'm wondering if they didn't just come up with a cool idea, and write a paper about it, without actually testing it.
All questions of image fusing aside, as I also pointed out, I have a hard time believing that the cellophane wouldn't just turn half your screen black.
So I figured I'd shake my head, synchronized, in the opposite direction of the image shake, separating my eyes with my hand. I studied, ahem, one of the pictures for quite a while to get it right.
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It works - real stereo viewing.
And gives me quite a headache.
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Couldn't I just take a regular old CRT monotir, put celophane over the right half to polarize it, then put another pice of celophane over the left half, but rotated 90 degrees, and still end up with two halves of a monitor polarized 90 degrees from each other?
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