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fygment writes "... according to recent studies. It seems were more closely related to rodents than the carnivores i.e. the primates didn't evolve from the noble jungle cats, wolves, etc. Were closer to rats. Of course this has long been suspected in lawyers and SCO execs ..."

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  1. mouse are humans too.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    so watch your tounge when you are saying they are lawyers.. or even SCO execs.. you insensitive clod!

    1. Re:mouse are humans too.. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought they had been using lawyers for laboratory experiments for some time. They're more plentiful than mice or rats. The only trouble they've had is reproducing the results in humans.

  2. Biology I by InsaneCreator · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of course this has long been suspected in lawyers and SCO execs ...

    I believe you are having trouble telling the difference between rodents and dung beetles.

    1. Re:Biology I by __seeker_h__ · · Score: 2, Funny

      According to my Monstrous Manual, beetles and rodents are both vermin. So there can't be too much of a difference...

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    2. Re:Biology I by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Is "vermin" a Family or Genus in the philogeny?

      Inquiring minds want to know...

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  3. Recent? by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I believe that this "news" has been known for nearly all of the 20th century. I'm not sure where the article gets off talking about:
    recently proposed trees of mammalian evolution indicating that primates (human, chimpanzee, baboon) are more closely related to rodents (mouse, rat) than to carnivores (cat, dog) or artiodactyls (cow, pig).
    1. Re:Recent? by kramer2718 · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to the Tree of Life Web Project, all the animals mentioned (rodents, felines, humans) belong to the infraclass Eutheria (placental mammals).

      If you look closely at the tree, you will see that the Tree of Life does indeed have order Rodentia closer to the order Primates. I recall learning this in high-school biology, also.

      Yes this does seem to be a bit of old news.

    2. Re:Recent? by RobotWisdom · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The interesting point is that junk DNA has some still-unknown function, so the disappointing figure of 30,000 genes isn't as bad as we feared.

      Regarding mice-etc, primates began as shrews who climbed trees and developed their eyesight, mammalian carnivores like cats evolved much later from the shrews that stayed on the ground.

  4. Prevalent beneficial mutation is evolution.. by E_elven · · Score: 3, Funny

    ..but that doesn't explain why my tail is on the front side.

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  5. This story writeup by skookum · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The blurb from "fygment" must have been written by a mouse, as there's hardly a complete sentence in that jumble of incoherent fragments. I find this situation has become all too common on slashdot recently. If you can't be bothered to write a cohesive paragraph with complete sentences, then stop submitting to slashdot. You may not think it's important, but when you write things that will be read by a number of people it is essential. Use whatever style you want in email or IM but if you're going to submit something for public consumption you should take the time to learn how to use English, otherwise you just come off looking like a rambling idiot.

  6. 42 by Hungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    But we knew this all along after all the mice built this planet

    "Mice are not, as is commonly assumed on Earth, small white squeaking animals who spend a lot of time being experimented on.

    In fact, they are the protrusions into our dimension of hyper-intellegent pan-dimensional beings. These beings are in fact responsible for the creation of the Earth."

    See the video here waning its real media

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  7. wha...? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Funny

    > i.e. the primates didn't evolve from the noble jungle cats, wolves, etc.

    And just who the hell ever thought they _had_? This is hardly news for anyone who went through public school in the U.S. in the last, oh, 25 years or so. This is analogous to saying, "It turns out the Moon isn't made of recycled condoms." Okay, I think we already knew that.

  8. Re:Uhh by DeltaHat · · Score: 2, Funny

    And what your proof against evolution?

  9. The best laid plans of mice... by quinkin · · Score: 4, Funny
    The best laid plans of mice...

    And men.

    What have men got to do with this?

    Q.

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  10. Tree of life online by njchick · · Score: 4, Informative
    You can browse the tree of life starting from its root. If we descend to mammals, we'll see that lines that lead to rodents, primates and carnivors all start in the same point. Of course, it's unlikely that several branches start in the same point of evolution. It's more likely that the tree divides into two branches and then divides again.

    Perhaps this research will allow to make some adjustments to the tree. However, there are already interesting facts in the current version. For example, bats are closer to primates than most other mammals. On the other hand, armadillos must have branched very early, although they did it after opossums.

  11. This has been a well known fact by mnmn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The mammalian line forks into one group that goes on to split into felines and canines, and another that further splits into rodents and primates.

    Next this poster will post an article that says Birds are closer to reptiles than to humans. I'm no biologist but I can tell when someone tries to pass an encyclopaedia fact for a breakthrough news.

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  12. summary by gooru · · Score: 2, Informative

    In case you have no idea what the submission actually says (I must've read it ten times over before giving up), this is the one from the top of the article:

    Summary: A pioneering study comparing the genes of 13 species has uncovered clues to how the vertebrate family tree might have evolved. One intriguing result is that primates, including humans, are closer to rodents than carnivores or cows and pigs. Many pieces of DNA that don't even code for proteins in all these species however are conserved, suggesting that even so-called 'junk' DNA may have an important role in biology.

  13. Steinbeck by gooru · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, I suppose this means the title of Steinbeck's book Of Mice and Men is redundant.

  14. No by axolotl_farmer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Tha part of the tree you refer to is unresolved , a polytomy.

    What is important in a phylogenetic tree is branching order. When the branching order is uncertain or ambiguous, a polytomy is put in place. The placement of the branches in a polytomy are usually arbitrary, or in alphabetical order.

    From the tree, you can tell that primates are most closely related to tree shrews, and that the group (primates + tree shrews) in turn is most closely related to bats and colugos.

  15. Re: Uhh by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Insightful


    > That is, of course, if you buy into the farce of evolution. I've never seen a generation so inclinced to believe a lie without proof. If you'd think for yourself, and not read the textbooks, you might realize that evolution isn't even an option.

    Not read the textbooks? Sounds like "stay ignorant" is the key to your plan for understanding the universe.

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  16. 42 by Sleepindog · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, i guess you could argue that we are descended from mice, in that we are their creation (to find the ultimate question)

    PS Unless I'm one of the inferior parts of this computer and didn't see it, I'm surprised there was no D.Adams reference before.

  17. I, for one, by QEDog · · Score: 3, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our new rodent overlords!

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  18. Re:Uhh by DeltaSigma · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is still the center of a heated debate. With modern genetic science we've determined that trolls lay somewhere between the rodent and the lawyer ( with SCO executives up next). Yet there's clearly still a large difference between rodents and trolls, and many scientists feel that the only way to settle the debate will be to find a half-rodent half-troll step. The deep jungles of Africa and Redmond, WA are focal points for this search currently.

    One thing remains clear, your modern homosapien very clearly branches off from the modern SCO executive at the rodent.

  19. Species habits by phorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As an owner of pet rats, one thing I've noticed is their sometimes disturbing similarities to humans in habit.

    At one point, my two female rats were constantly squeeking and making noise at night. No problem, nocturnal animals, they're just more active in the dark. However, I also noticed that oftimes when I turned on the lights, that the rodents were "cleaning each other" in a position often labelled as a number just shy of seventy.
    Now, at first I dismissed this, thinking that I was imagining things. However, after talking to several rat owners and a few petshops, I have garnered that this can indeed be more than simply a hygienic practice.

    Afterwards, I'd throw things at the cage when they made too much noise to shut them up. At least until one morning after I found they'd dragged in the shirt I'd thrown and perforated it for nesting material. I liked that shirt too.

    Now, I've got two new rats. They don't often exhibit the same behavior as the old ones, but sometimes they will. I'm considering breeding one of them (baby rodents being quite cute 'n all), and I wonder if this will change their behavior towards each other after the babies have grown (and one rat has had an encounter of the opposite sex as opposed to the same). And of course, if I got enough rats perhaps I could make some of this

  20. Re: Uhh by Copid · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Exactly. My favorite thing about this debate is people who think that the textbooks and established science are a bad way to go. "Use common sense," they say. If science were all just common sense, people wouldn't devote their lives to scientific study. Quantum mechanics isn't common sense. Relativity is not common sense. Lay people generally accept those ideas because they see generations of physicists who have spent their lives in intensive study of those subjects, and they see the results of the work. Suddenly, when it comes to biology, everybody is enough of an expert to laugh at those silly academics.

    Why people think that the core ideas of biology should be something you can accept or reject after a few minutes of armchair quarterback thought without so much as a textbook is beyond me. The arrogance is astounding.

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