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Debian: A Brief Retrospective

IanMurdock writes "This weekend, Debian turned 10. To mark the occasion, I've written a retrospective, published at LinuxPlanet. There's also a very nice piece, based in part on my early writings about Debian as well as the retrospective, at internetnews.com."

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  1. Looking and Debian versus Slackware by TWX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's kind of surprising to me. About four years ago, I would have said that for the non-commercial distributions, Slackware reigned easily at the top. They had decent integration, fairly acceptable release timing, and their installer was beautifully easy to use. At that time, Debian still had dselect as the primary tool, which was just painful, a problem with reliably functional ISO images for download, but they had a decent package system in the works.

    Today, I'm having a hard time justifying keeping my Slackware install in place on my workstation. It's running 8.0, and I've manually updated enough stuff because of the lag in Slackware's development that I doubt an upgrade of sorts would work properly, yet I want the goodies that gnome2 provides, which looks too daunting to build by hand, with all of its assorted libraries and tools. So, at this point, switching to Debian, which I know is going to see active development for quite some time, is a very attractive option.

    Debian's usefulness in the last few years gained so much that the aforementioned workstation is only Slackware, or even non-Debian Linux Box in my control.

    The end of dselect being a requirement is probably what prompted that, though I still haven't ever had a successful i386 ISO-based install with it, it's been the two-floppies method.

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  2. Liar. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    kirk@pooh:~$ apt-cache show emacs21 | grep Priority
    Priority: optional
    kirk@pooh:~$ sudo apt-get remove emacs21
    Reading Package Lists... Done
    Building Dependency Tree... Done
    The following packages will be REMOVED:
    apel auctex bbdb eldav emacs21 gnus hyperlatex preview-latex psgml python-elisp tdtd tramp w3m-el
    0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 13 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
    Need to get 0B of archives.
    After unpacking 22.8MB disk space will be freed.
    Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
    Abort.
    kirk@pooh:~$

    Which of the above packages would have any meaningful use outside of Emacs? What functionality would you lose by not having any of the above? Given that it's an optional package with almost no reverse dependencies, I call your bluff.

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  3. What I don't get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... is that they still do not manage to make installation take less than 5 hours.

    If you know tomsrtbt, a rescue disk made (largely) by one person, one wonders why he alone can make PCMCIA support work out of the box while the 1000s of Debian developers are busy discussing if RFCs belong in main or non-free.

    Not that there would be a better distribution than Debian, but tat does not mean there's no room for improvement.

  4. Let's get this straight by peripatetic_bum · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There a number of reasons why Debian still *is* the superior linux distribution. religion flame war? nope. Just facts.
    Asid from Red Hat which is in the business of big honking big Iron servers,

    1. Debian is the only other real distrubution that has real server admins relying on it.

    2. Developers favor Debian. At first I just found it neat that so many develoers of my favorite apps tended to package for debian, but now it seems that debian is the defactor developer distro. It is stable for developers who want little change or very Unstable ") for those that want the most. I dont think anyother distro seems to based, except again for Red HAt(ie, apps developed only for redhat) Of course, if something is developed for debian only, dont think it can be the case that is is Debian only, I could be wrong but I would liekt o know

    3. Community: It is the largest. Bar None. On IRC there might be anywheres of 500 prople logged in. You can count on at least 1-2 people there that will know what you are tallking about. This is a key feature for why I use debian

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  5. From the original Murdock post... by codemachine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    2) Debian will contain the most up-to-date of everything.

    My how things have changed.

    6) Debian will make Linux easier for users who don't have access to the
    Internet.


    Debian's main strongpoint is apt-get, which would not be so useful for users with no internet access. The beauty of Debian is that you can install it once and update it forever. Seems Debian's original goals and their current strongpoints are quite different.