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New WiFi Standards, Double the Data?

morkeleb writes "According to the New York Times (free reg. req.), just when you thought it was safe to stock your home or office the 802.11x way, another possibility springs up. From Stanford and Bell Labs comes an approach using MIMO, which 'relies on taking advantage of huge amounts of computing power to send numbers of signals from closely spaced antennas', thereby enhancing range and throughput. Looks like Intel and Nokia are interested in the technology, as well as a number of highroller venture capitalist groups."

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  1. Google Link by error502 · · Score: 5, Informative
  2. Doubling the data rate isn't enough. by mcg1969 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's not enough for Airgo to just double the data rate. Other companies are doing that.

    Fortunately, that's not all they're doing! As the article states, they're also greatly increasing the range and reliability as well... and they're not going to stop at just double the data rate, either :)

    I have had the honor of working with these folks, both briefly as a consultant for Airgo and with their previous work at Clarity Wireless/Cisco. They know what they are doing, and if anyone can innovate in an otherwise full and competitive market, they can!

    1. Re:Doubling the data rate isn't enough. by rwiedower · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmm. Sounds like the marketing plan from Sony...

      1. Create very cool but nevertheless proprietary standard for wide-spread technology.
      2. ?
      3. Profit!

      Seriously, although I think being a pioneer in this area is cool, woulnd't it have been better to work with other companies to form an open standard rather than roll out some new system that no one else is on board with?

  3. Woo! by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 5, Funny

    More standards! Now it makes even less sense to me and my good old cat5 cable which persistently fail to provide me with 100mbit/sec speed!

    1. Re:Woo! by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny
      my good old cat5 cable which persistently fail to provide me with 100mbit/sec speed!

      Man, that sucks. Hell, my old 9600 baud modem can beat the tar out of 100 millibits per second.

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  4. aww damn by riotstarter · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just bought a wireless g router. I always get screwed. Like when they came out with the Metro after I just bought a Pinto.

  5. But what of the venture communists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...as well as a number of highroller venture capitalist groups..."

    But what of the venture communists? Equal time, that is what I say. Venture capitalism is man exploiting man, and communism is the same but reversed.

  6. Closely spaced antennas by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    MIMO, which 'relies on taking advantage of huge amounts of computing power to send numbers of signals from closely spaced antennas'

    If they're close enough, you can run an ethernet cable between the two, that's even cheaper.

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    1. Re:Closely spaced antennas by esorense · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...signals from closely spaced antennas.
      The "closely spaced" antennas are on both the transmit and receive sides. This means you could have 4 closely spaced antennas transmiting and 3 antennas reciever. Of course the antennas can be used to both transmit and recieve.

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  7. MIMO: Multiple In, Multiple Out by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Funny

    This has to be the single dirtiest-sounding technology I've come across yet. I like it!

  8. Stop, I want to get on by BobTheLawyer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is getting silly - consumers aren't even close to adopting 802.11a and b in serious numbers.

    It's more important to have consistent standards that work and that everbody understands than to get additional speed that few people will need.

    1. Re:Stop, I want to get on by azav · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In San Francisco, I frequently can sniff up to 5 wireless access points in one location. There are 7 on one stretch of my block.

      2 years ago, I decided to be devious and drive around and map out any open wireless access points. In 2 hours, I stopped after finding 20.

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    2. Re:Stop, I want to get on by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most people are looking at a package deal anyway. A card type and an access point that work together, and that's it. Doesn't matter where in the alphabet soup it is really, only throughput. For those big roaming networks (like Universities etc.), the techs will have sufficient knowledge.

      I can see lots of cool things I'd want to do with high-bandwidth wireless, and if you can't imagine any, well I think you're in a minority. When the wireless speeds reach 100Mbit+, we can start talking about stopping and standardizing :)

      Kjella

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    3. Re:Stop, I want to get on by iamnarada · · Score: 2, Informative

      It seems that the NYT article is in error. The press release from Airgo says that their solution is based on the 802.11 standard, and "supports all 802.11 a, b, and g modes and also extends rates to 108 Mbps" . The qoute is from their press release which is here.

      http://www.airgonetworks.com/news.html

      Enjoy.

    4. Re:Stop, I want to get on by pclminion · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's more important to have consistent standards that work and that everbody understands than to get additional speed that few people will need.

      No, it's better to spend a lot of time experimenting with different technologies, and determining the strengths and weaknesses of each, before settling on a single standard that could possibly lock us all in to a mediocre technology for decades to come (see Microsoft, x86 platform, etc.).

      WiFi hasn't been around that long. I'm willing to wait several more years before standardization. The last thing I want is for everyone to rush to a standard and pour time, money, and effort into it, when we don't even know what the other options are, yet.

      If 802.11* turns out to be pretty stupid compared to some of the newer tech, then won't we all feel dumb after investing thousands in wireless gear, and even dumber that we now have to restrict ourselves to equipment which is backward compatible with a deficient standard. I'm not saying this has happened, but obviously it could.

      Be patient and let people experiment with new tech, we'll all come out better for it in the end...

  9. Forget home use, think larger by cyberlotnet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article mentions longer distances "two to six times as far as current tech"
    This means 200-900 feet.. Even if you say 500 feet, that would be insane.. Imagine that + a pringle can...

  10. Article text, fsck registering by dook43 · · Score: 3, Informative

    PALO ALTO, Calif., Aug. 17 -- Airgo Networks, a heavily financed Silicon Valley start-up, plans on Monday to introduce an alternative to the popular Wi-Fi wireless data standard for connecting to the Internet, capable of doubling Wi-Fi's already high speed and extending its range. Airgo's technology is just one example, industry executives said, of the continued emergence of new companies, undercutting recent fears that wireless technology innovation is slowing and is in danger of being dominated by a few large established concerns. "Just as the revolution starts to happen, some people are saying that it's over," said Craig Mathias, president of the Farpoint Group, a industry consulting firm in Ashland, Mass. "Clearly, we are in the early days of wireless data." Airgo's technology, known as multiple-in, multiple-out, or MIMO, relies on taking advantage of huge amounts of computing power to send numbers of signals from closely spaced antennas. By doing so, Airgo is able to squeeze in and out more data than conventional wireless data arrangements. But Airgo faces a big challenge in winning broad support for an approach that is not compatible with the existing Wi-Fi standards. The company said it hopes to create markets by seeking out consumer wireless equipment companies serving local area networks, hoping that in a hotly contested marketplace, a higher-speed, greater-range option will soon prove advantageous, even if it is not compatible with existing software. On Monday, Airgo will announce a chip set that extends the speed at which data can be delivered to a computer by wireless radio signal, to as much as 108 megabits a second. Current Wi-Fi standards are capable of data speeds ranging from 11 to 54 megabits a second. The company says the signal can be sent farther as well -- from two to six times as far as current Wi-Fi technology, which typically reaches only about 100 to 150 feet from a transmitter connected to the Internet. "We've created a new currency that is better range and better performance," Airgo's chief executive, Greg Raleigh, said. The industry is working to define a new generation of Wi-Fi that could take data rates to 200 megabits or even higher, and Mr. Raleigh said Airgo would propose its technology for the standard. In addition to computer communications applications, Mr. Raleigh said he expects new consumer uses for very high speed wireless, like data connections for HDTV television sets and other home appliances. Michael Kleeman, chief technology officer of Cometa Networks of San Francisco, which is installing Wi-Fi access points nationally, said: "People are beginning to realize that it is important to focus on the radio frequency side of the equation. Now, people are paying attention to antennas." Airgo's MIMO technology was pioneered at Stanford University, Bell Laboratories and other research centers. It is an example of the shift to what are known as smart antennas, an approach that is being widely adopted in the wireless networking world. Other companies are also striving to develop antenna technologies to improve wireless data service. These include Vivato, a wireless technology company that is using antennas to direct beams, and the leading chip maker Intel, which has acquired the intellectual property of another Silicon Valley MIMO company, IoSpan Wireless. Airgo, whose founders started and then sold Clarity Wireless to Cisco Systems in 1998, has so far raised a total of $52 million in venture capital from OVP Venture Partners, Sevin Rosen Funds, Nokia Venture Partners and Accel Partners.

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  11. Not backwards compatable? I don't care! by peterdaly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't care! At those rates and ranges, if they can provide equipment at consumer market prices and linux drivers I'll buy their product.

    They may be a logical jump for "private" networks still on 802.11b. Skip G all together, which last I knew had little to know Linux support.

    Not only faster, but my whole house should be covered. Now w/ 11b, I have dead spots in the far reaches of my not so large house. 100m/b to boot!

    -Pete

  12. dammit dammit dammit by hankaholic · · Score: 4, Funny
    just when you thought it was safe to stock your home or office the 802.11x way, another possibility springs up
    ... and I just dropped $80 on an access point/100Mb router. Had I seen this article, I _definitely_ would have waited for something which Bell Labs is working on in their spare time.

    Last time this happened, I'd just installed BSD when Bell Labs announced their work on Plan 9. Boy, was I left in the dust on that one!
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  13. anyone have a better explanation? by sbma44 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    does anyone out there have a good explanation of what the technology actually does? The article doesn't provide much information...

    I suspect Airgo will have a tough time of it. 802.11b is really, really cheap and fairly ubiquitous. g is backward-compatible, and no consumer broadband connection can take advantage.

    I suspect that the killer app for a standard faster than 802.11g will be a wifi DVR content server, and I don't think you'll see those rolled out in any significant way until Hollywood decides how they're going to keep earning money in an age when any 14 year old can steal their IP with little difficulty. I'd say 2-3 years at the earliest for a clear successor to g to emerge.

    1. Re:anyone have a better explanation? by tjb · · Score: 2, Informative

      The idea behind MIMO is that wireless signal are orthgonal in space. Think about it this way:

      Lets say I have three transmit antennas, sending three signals (x,y, and z). I also have three (or more) receive antennas (1, 2, and 3).

      The first thing I do is train my receivers by having the transmitters transmit a known signal one at a time, such that when transmitter x is transmitting, at receiver 1 I receive a signal (a1*x), at receiver 2 I get (a2*x), and at receiver 3 I get (a3*x). When y transmits, I get (b[1,2,3]*y) and similarly for z (c[1,2,3]*z) at my receivers. Since I know what x,y, and z are supposed to be at this point, I can calculate values for a[1,2,3], b[1,2,3], and c[1,2,3].

      After the training sequence is complete, I begin transmitting on all three at once and assume a,b, and c haven't changed that much (a reasonable assumption as long you're not moving much) leaving me with:

      Rx1 = a1*x + b1*y + c1*z
      Rx2 = a2*x + b2*y + c2*z
      Rx3 = a3*x + b3*y + c3*z

      Given that the only unknowns in this equation are x,y and z, its perfectly solvable.

      Unfortunately, its not quite that simple. The signals will mutually interfere, so a long process begins where you estimate one signal and start subtracting it and then estimate and subtract the other signals based on your result and then keep repeating process until your estimation is satisfactory.

      On the bright side, though, the rayleigh-fading nature of the channel (in a nutshell, the dynamics of reflected signals cause signal strength to vary wildy at the receiver depending on location) means that antennas one-half wavelength apart will maxmize the relative energy difference of the different signals at different antennas. Thus, you're hoping (usually correctly, unless the receiver is on a satellite or a large open area) that each signal will be most powerful at a different antenna making the signal-estimation phase much quicker (ie, if the received signal x is way more powerful than y or z on antenna 1, x is easy to estimate which in turn makes y and z easier to estimate).

      Tim

  14. Compatibility is king. by xanderwilson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The new wi-fi "standard" can ben ten times as fast as "b" or "g" and I still wouldn't regret buying my Airport Extreme this year. I've got PCs and Macs and a printer all talking to each other quickly and wirelessly and I didn't have to upgrade a single thing I wasn't ready to upgrade (in terms of money or in terms of time--I can't count how many network cards--wireless and wired--caused system conflicts on my PCs and it took forever to get it working right. I'm not changing anything I don't have to until I have to). I got a performance boost (a more solid signal) without touching the network cards themselves.

    Alex.

  15. Do you... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do you know what's soo great about standards?

    There's SOOOO many to choose from !

    (POOO! TANG!) Thank you thank you. I'll be here all night.

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  16. might be compatable with current tech..? by snooo53 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Even though the NYT article states the technology isn't compatable with current 802.11x standards, Airgo's website seems to imply that it is in fact backwards compatable with current tecnology. So who's right here?

    From the website... Full support for 802.11b/a/g standards and additional standards allows for an unprecedented level of backwards compatibility and performance at all data rates. Seems to me it is. Anyone know for sure?

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  17. longer range is more important than increased data by leoaugust · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i think extending the range is the critical bit that would make or break many business plans, compared to the less important higher data speeds .. The leverage that you get from the increased data speeds is not as much as it is in the gains of distance.

    2 to six times increased range in radius means, 4 to 36 times in area coverage .. which is big enough to make currently dead plans alive and healthy. If I could get these sort of gains i.e. 4 to 36, in the potential of revenue generation with the same cost of initial deployment, I think the technology will be of very much interest to me ... just need to go back and crunch my numbers again

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  18. 802.11x Clarification by WC+as+Kato · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to this Infoworld article, Airgo Networks is working on enhancing 802.11a. This is not a new version of 802.11.

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  19. Longer distances and legalities by sh0rtie · · Score: 4, Interesting


    how do they propose doing that with power limits already heavily regulated ? omni directional hi-gain antennas are incredibly difficult beasts especially when you get past 1 wavelength (as apposed to 1/4, 5/8th etc) sure they could go the yagi route but then its directional torch like beams which don't really help for walkabouts

    Then we move onto the interference aspect, power levels and emitted radiation are heavily regulated for a reason (fire,medics,military,rds,taxis,radio,ham,tv) who pay heavy fees to use the band, will the FCC/DTI come down hard on this or relax the regs?, there is also tremendous scope for abuse if thats the case (think starbuks paid wifi jamming/overiding mr nice citizens free community wifi)
    what about differing countries regulations of airwaves frequencies (some countries the band that wifi is on is regulated and licensed (military/satellite)) is there a worldwide agreement that wifi bands are unlicensed ?
    this rush into wireless has plenty of legal complications (just like CB/walkie talkies) (ie: Italy can have 1000 watt+ cb's while the UK can only have 4W) all this talk of standards just seems a bit premature, anyone clear this up for us ?

    1. Re:Longer distances and legalities by LordMyren · · Score: 2, Informative

      they're triangulating their target then sync'ing the antenna's to that. it's a dynamically retargetable directional. i'm sure they'll find a way to get it classified as directional, because, well, it is.

  20. Incorrect terminology by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't say 802.11x when you mean 802.11*. 802.11x is a wireless security standard. As far as I can tell, this article has nothing to do with 802.11x. I see this error a lot.

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  21. How it works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    MIMO uses multiple antennas spaced more than half a wavelength apart on both transmitter and receiver. By doing so the signal recevied at each antenna experiences independent multipath fading. By using this information it is possible to send an independent data stream to each antenna on the same channel, i.e N antennas = N-times the datarate.

    This is all done by linear algebra and matrix inversions which is probably the origin of the "taking advantage of huge amounts of computing power" claims in the articel. For more info check out this paper

  22. Re:Lame. by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful
    What!? A new wireless technology is in the concept phase and seeking investors, meaning we might see a better wireless product on the market in five years or so!?!?

    What a fool I was to frivolously piss away that $200 on an Airport 802.11b hub, which runs at almost 10 times by DSL connection speed, a mere year ago! If only I had waited! Sure, it would mean I have had nothing for all of last year, and nothing for all of this year, and nothing for quite some time to come, but at least I would have had the promise of a much broader pipe to connect to the tiny trickle of data coming through my broadband connection... if and when it arrives, without having frittered away all that money on an industry-standard wireless network that will only be useful for another 10 years or so.

    Oh, woe! The crying shame of it all!!!

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  23. I'm curious, what's the pringle can for? by Eevee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're getting the extra distance and speed from the special MIMO antenna set, why would you want to replace it with a pringles can? Or, if you're going to use a pringles can, why are you buying the more expensive tech?

  24. So long as the "WEP" option is ON out of the box.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting


    In 3 square miles north of my house, I've nailed 384 access points. 35 of them had WEP enabled. The rest... SSID "linksys" or "default".

    It gets scarey when you find that ratio in a commercial / shopping district... and there's nothing you can do, because if you warn people why they shouldn't use their credit cards there, you go to jail.

  25. Re:US Robotics by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's compare apples to apples here.

    802.11g: 54Mbps theoretical, 25 Mbps actual
    USR: 100Mbps theoretical, ? Mbps actual

    I'm more interested in the Atheros turbo mode which claims 90 Mbps actual throughput.