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Beige G3 Resurrection Project

jgardner asks: "I have been a Mac user since '84, and lust for the latest hardware with the best of them. However, my bank account is less than accommodating. My current machine is a Beige G3 266. I use it for Quark & Photoshop work, and would like to move to Jaguar if the performance hit isn't too great. Does anyone have advice and/or experience that will help me save a few bucks and avoid any potential pitfalls?"

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  1. Buy Something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    You sound like my dad who doesn't want to give up his 486/100, or his 86' Imperial, or 75 Sear 19" console TV. Really, the time and effort, and certain headaches you will get, is not worth it. Go get an G4. Plus, you want to upgrade your OS but you think your high end software will run on it? You gonna run it under Classic and think it will run better? Why? You will have to pay a ton to upgrade the software so just upgrade the HW at the same time. The world turns and at some point you have to turn with it.

  2. It can work by babbage · · Score: 4, Informative
    A lot of the advice about how sluggish OSX will run on this machine is probably being spouted off by people that tried this when OSX first came out, got horrified, and vowed never to mix the two again. Apple listened to such complaints, and the fact is, 10.1 and 10.2 don't run nearly as badly as 10.0 or the public beta did.

    At my last job, I spent most of a year using a beige G3/300mhz as my main desktop. It wasn't as snappy as my G4 at home, but it was much nicer to use as an everyday desktop than the more modern Linux & Windows machines I had access to, and for the sort of work I do (almost all in a command shell or web browser), this old Mac ran just fine.

    The biggest problem wasn't actually the old CPU, but the fact that, with only 320mb of ram, I'd end up swapping a lot; and with a 4gb hard drive that was nearly full just with the OS and a few applications & some files (but not much, most data I'd store & access remotely via Samba or NFS), the virtual memory system would start trying to take up more disc space than was available. I ended up having to reboot the thing every couple of weeks, but *not* because the overall system was unstable, but because I was using 25% or more of my disc for swap, the drive was full, and applications started acting funny when they couldn't allocate more space. Usually it would help a lot just to log out & back in again, but to be sure I'd just reboot, since logging out & in took say three minutes, while rebooting took four. It was just as easy to flush everything out that way rather than logout only -- I'd already lost state in all my applications anyway, so why not reboot...

    So yes, you can more or less happily run OSX on old beige G3s. As others have said, it makes sense to put in as much ram as you can, but not so much because you want to improve performance (that will actually be fine, for the most part), but because having more ram will stave off swap-death as long as possible. Likewise, if you can find an old SCSI drive to put in there, that will help for similar reasons -- once you start swapping, you have more leeway with a bigger disc. The actual speed at which an old G3 does things should for the most part be pretty reasonable for many tasks (shell, web, Office, etc).

    Have fun :-)

  3. Re:Save your time by Mikey-San · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, I disagree with the parent to your post on a few points, too, but you need to double-check your stuff first, too:

    Also Panther, X.3, has better support for the older Macs.

    Read: I've never actually done research on this, but if I use a gimmicky narrative, I'll sound accurate.

    As a matter of fact, current developer seeds of Panther aren't supported on Macs that didn't come with built-in USB, which includes all beige G3s. Ten bucks says Panther isn't going to run on this guy's beige box, regardless of how you feel about that.

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  4. Re:What's the maximum RAM for your machine? by salamander_sjv · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check the revision of the logic board. If it's a rev 1 you can only put 384MB in. The slots only recognise 128MB even if you put a 256MB stick in them. Rev. 1: $77D.40F2 Rev. 2: $77D.45F1 Rev. 3: $77D.45F2 Look in the System Profiler. If you're rev 2 or better you can put in 768MB.