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SeattleWireless TV: Flickenger, Warcopter, And More

Michael Pierce writes "SeattleWireless TV has done it again! This months SeattleWireless TV show features an Interview with Rob Flickenger the inventor of the pringles cantenna and co-author of Nocat, an open source wireless captive portal. Then we have a chance to hear from Risto Koiva about his remote controlled helicopter with a 2.4ghz installed camera and gps unit, learn about the Personal Telco Project out of Portland, Oregon and finally a product review on the new WatchGuard SoHo 6 wireless firewall. Download the Mpeg version here or Watch the Windows Media Stream here, or the RealPlayer stream here."

85 comments

  1. enjoy the show ;) by MichaelPierce · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hope you guys enjoy the show I worked hard on it!

    1. Re:enjoy the show ;) by pirodude · · Score: 0, Funny

      Hope you guys enjoy the slashdotting we're working hard on it!

    2. Re:enjoy the show ;) by WiKKeSH · · Score: 1

      > Hope you guys enjoy the show I worked hard on it!

      Hope you enjoy the traffic. ;)

  2. Torrent! by gerf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Someone, make a .torrent of that 186 meg .mpeg file. It won't last long!

    1. Re:Torrent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Atleast a couple of ftp servers/http servers

  3. Is the the slasdot version of text ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    It seems more like a product advertisement than anything else. May be this is an ad disguised as a story?

  4. What is this? by stratjakt · · Score: 1, Funny

    An ad for some web show?

    On this weeks episode of Will & Grace, hilarity ensues when Will is caught in bed with his gay lover by Grace's visiting uncle! All starting on must see TV!

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    1. Re:What is this? by timjdot · · Score: 1

      Seattlewireless is the coolest. Only if you haven't tried to create a wireless MAN in your neighborhood would you think otherwise. But for those of you who are wired, you should realize the significance. Global warming, some new video card, and other stuff are slashdotted; but this is earth shattering. Personal wireless could possibly save each and everyone of us $100+ per month on phone, net, and cable not to mention creating true freedom of information (or will we each have a "carnivore" inside our Intel?:-) Of course they are a decade ahead of their time - or two decades for most of the country like the technology backwater of Columbia, SC where I live where the maximum govn't investment in technology growth has been like $160,000 and they even speak in the congress about closing one of the two University engineering programs in the state!

      My $.02, Tim

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  5. Cantenna? by notque · · Score: 2, Funny

    This months SeattleWireless TV show features an Interview with Rob Flickenger the inventor of the pringles cantenna.

    So he's the guy to invent the tennis ball like tube for pringles?

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    1. Re:Cantenna? by KUHurdler · · Score: 1

      No, He's the guy that invented the potato chip, Silly

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    2. Re:Cantenna? by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't get too excited. The first hour of the show is taken up by eating all the Pringles before moving onto the demonstration.

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    3. Re:Cantenna? by ianmorris · · Score: 1
      this may be OT but... technically pringles are not traditional potato chips, i remember reading something about it somewhere.

      by the way check the addition to my sig

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  6. Re:Other cities? by digital+bath · · Score: 1

    Hmm, nevermind. I was envisioning TV over 802.11b. Seemed cool until I remembered that we already have wireless TV (with antennae)

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  7. Post a TORRENT link by adpsk · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I don't see why people don't automatically post a torrent link. Better yet it should be automatic that slash proxy/wrap all links with a torrent file. Neil?

    1. Re:Post a TORRENT link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because torrents don't work well with small files. "all" would be a bit much.

      Plus, who's to say that all the readers want to install BitTorrent just to click a link? I think that it should be certainly an option, but not automatic.

  8. I wish there were more shows like this ... by torpor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... on the Internet.

    Where *are* all the wonderful 'independent' movies and documentaries and such on the Internet these days? Back in the early 90's, we predicted there'd be simply scads of new and entertaining film content available on the 'net for perusal, but it seems like its either 'movieflix' or sites like silversow.com and demandmedia.net, none of which truly satisfies my urge to surf/download and watch good quality film media I got from the Internet.

    And no, before you comment, I don't want to know where to go to find pr0n or filez, I want to know where the actual artists and authors and writers who stand to *benefit* from open, broad dissemination of their works are putting it for download by people ... like me ... who don't have TV but sure have bandwidth.

    SeattleWireless TV goes in the bookmarks. I wish there were tons more interesting sites like this to keep my mpeg-player eye focused on, anyway ...

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    1. Re:I wish there were more shows like this ... by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Where *are* all the wonderful 'independent' movies and documentaries and such on the Internet these days?

      Turns out that bandwidth and storage space costs money. Back then everyone thought the internet would just magically spit money out of every phone and ethernet jack in the world. Every computer nerd would earn 7 figures from the banner ads on their Simpsons fan site. Ahhhh, the good ole' days.

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    2. Re:I wish there were more shows like this ... by notque · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Where *are* all the wonderful 'independent' movies and documentaries and such on the Internet these days?

      All your base are belong to us. Stick Fighting Ninjas doing battle. That chick who dances to really bad music like, "Touch Myself"

      There's a plethora of wonderful Internet Content.

      I think there's even a site about girls who make out in a bathtub. Viva la Internet.

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    3. Re:I wish there were more shows like this ... by RealityProphet · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I want to know where the actual artists and authors and writers who stand to *benefit* from open, broad dissemination of their works are putting it for download by people

      Well, it would seem that it is a load of crap. Perhaps it is the case that authors and writers, creative minds and forward-thinking individuals do not benefit from giving away their trade for free. It seems when people put their stuff out for free, cheap bastards expect them to continue putting their stuff out for free.

      An example are the fine folks making Divx. What a backlash they got from the slashdot community just at the mere mention that they would no longer be giving their codec away for free! My goodness! Bait and switch! Bait and switch! Get 'em hooked, them suck 'em dry! Let's change right now to Ogg Whatever!

      Perhaps the authors and artists know better, even the starving ones!, not to let their perspective audience assume they are giving anything away for free.

    4. Re:I wish there were more shows like this ... by Evil+Schmoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      From where I sit, on the indy video side of the razor wire, there's a pretty large knowledge gap between the creators, the would-be purveyors, and the audience. Y'all have the techie wherewithal to know how you want your content delivered, but very few people I know in the biz have devoted enough time to figuring out how to provide it in a format that satisfies their dubiously artistic integrity. I know of a couple of local production teams who are trying to do this, but they're driven entirely by profit, which ain't even remotely close to a viable business plan. Everyone around here (DC) freelances for documentary work, and if anything gets posted, it's usually a trailer or demo of their talents. The true gonzos out there (we call 'em Mathers, in his honor) are few and far between ... and even ol' Evan's online limitations are, well, evident.

  9. Awesome post by prestidigital · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some Slashdotters are just too damn cynical and conspiracy-minded. I did not think for a second that this was posted just to be an advertisement. It is only an advertisement in as much as it shows how cool the project is. I thought of it like PBS or NPR. More importantly, the post is not about Seattle Wireless TV. It's about what they are reporting. I think the reports are excellent. I learned things I didn't know. (And it was a nice change from reading/scrolling lengthy articles.)

    1. Re:Awesome post by notque · · Score: 2, Funny

      Some Slashdotters are just too damn cynical and conspiracy-minded.

      You say that to belittle our opinions, thus taking us off guard so that you can attack our beliefs.

      We're on to you.

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  10. Guess their server by rvaniwaa · · Score: 1

    is runnong on one of these wireless links... Bittorrent anywhere???

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  11. since this seems like a representative post ... by timothy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To respond to several at once, I'm just picking this one randomly :)

    Re:Is the the slasdot version of text ads?

    "It seems more like a product advertisement than anything else. May be this is an ad disguised as a story?"

    Err ... an ad for what, exactly? What product do you mean?

    Seattle Wireless is an amateur group who are putting a lot of their own money and time into creating a complex network in the Seattle / Tacoma area, and (in this case) producing / distributing a show about wireless technologies *because they think they're cool.*

    Personal Telco is trying to blanket Portland with free 802.11 access. Sounds like a fun, laudable idea to me.

    I posted this because I admire what these groups are doing, and want to see similar things happen around the world. (And they are happening -- BAWAG, consume.net, etc etc.)

    (If I could only persuade these groups to contribute a portion of their gigantic profits to slashdot... hmmm, idea quickly retracted as complete nonsense ;))

    timothy

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    1. Re:since this seems like a representative post ... by bucketoftruth · · Score: 1

      Almost anywhere you go in seattle is a hotspot these days, whether from unconfigured linksys waps or genuine seattlewireless networks. There used to be a map with pinpoints on all the registered hotspots in the region, but I can't find it anymore. Downtown and the University were litterally peppered with access points.

    2. Re:since this seems like a representative post ... by bucketoftruth · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, there are some new node maps at Node DB

    3. Re:since this seems like a representative post ... by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Sure, amateur products are "promoted", only professional ones are "advertised", but that's splitting hairs.

      If this showed up in your email or on usenet or another web forum it'd be dismissed as spam instantly.

      Not that I'm really complaining. At least it isnt another substanceless SCO update.

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    4. Re:since this seems like a representative post ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the heck are Seattlites going to know who to sue when they all start getting brain cancer?

    5. Re:since this seems like a representative post ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm eagerly awaiting the latest SCO update so we can all deride them for their latest reality-impaired self-destructive idiocic announcement. This is more entertaining than the whole ::Cue::Cat debacle!

    6. Re:since this seems like a representative post ... by notque · · Score: 1

      You're completely right. I'm amazed you'd actually reply.

      We're just complaining to complain. Others will reply with those exact remarks, and get modded up, we will have an inventful discussion and move on to the next article.

      Don't take it so seriously Tim. Good post though.

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    7. Re:since this seems like a representative post ... by hobbespatch · · Score: 1

      Learned something new though, the discussion on this thread mod'd 1 or 2 has been more educational than the ones modded 4 or 5.

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  12. I want one... by TheVampire · · Score: 1

    I want one of these that I can have it fly in front of my car, about a mile ahead, and send video back to me so I can spot the stormtroopers hiding in the median and on the sides of the road. What kind of range does it have? ( and what's the top speed? )

    Robert

    1. Re:I want one... by phil+reed · · Score: 2, Funny

      What, so you can drive off the road because you're watching the monitor instead of out the windshield? And we thought cell phones were bad.

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    2. Re:I want one... by Qrlx · · Score: 1

      You want to use the mini-helicopter as radar detector? Come on, you can do better that that! How about loading one up with Anthrax spores and buzzing the set of the Today Show. Now that's entertainment!

    3. Re:I want one... by TheVampire · · Score: 1

      News flash: Some people can actually walk and chew gum at the same time...

      Only need to look at it as often as I look in my rear-view, and that takes my eyes off the road as well. A heads up display would be nice to have though.

    4. Re:I want one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "News flash: Some people can actually walk and chew gum at the same time... "

      Yeah, but he wants to drive and fly a helicopter at the same time! Psychopath!

    5. Re:I want one... by phil+reed · · Score: 1

      80% of Americans believe they are above-average drivers.

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    6. Re:I want one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      30% of them are right. ;)

    7. Re:I want one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      great, thanks for giving asscroft an idea for something new and scary he can make illegal.

    8. Re:I want one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Except me, every driver is about the same and they are all a little below average, because I'm to great, I've thrown the curve.

    9. Re:I want one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's 62.5%. 5/8s... like, duh.

  13. Well, since no one can see it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lets all post inane comments about the article anyway.

    I'll get it started:

    I wish I had a Warcopter.
    186MB mpeg?? Are you frickin nuts???
    I built a cantenna once. It didn't work. Then I got rooted.
    SCO sucks.
    Slashdotted already!!!
    Whine, whine, whine.

  14. Re:Other cities? by Qrlx · · Score: 1

    But do you have point-to-point TV that requires a line of sight between your house and, say, Queen Anne Hill? Didn't think so!

  15. hmm by MenTaLguY · · Score: 1

    ...but the people distributing e.g. pirated movies are operating under the same constraints, aren't they?

    I would imagine that BitTorrent (especially with an autoseeding tracker) would mitigate bandwidth problems for e.g. independent films. Storage isn't that expensive by comparison.

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    1. Re:hmm by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats a good point.

      Maybe people just dont want to watch amateur home movies.

      Unless they're porn.

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    2. Re:hmm by notque · · Score: 1

      Maybe people just dont want to watch amateur home movies.

      Unless they're porn.


      Exactly! If people want the content badly enough, they will find a way to get it.

      The point is having content that people actually want.... Like porn.

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    3. Re:hmm by MenTaLguY · · Score: 1

      Eh, I think the real problem is twofold:

      1. people don't know about most of the good independent artists, so they just look for ways to get more of what they already know they like.

      2. a lot of indepentent artists aren't really any more comfortable than the RIAA with distributing their works in any "free" way. Often it's more a question of discomfort with derivative works/modification/misattribution than it is a question of money, though. Worst case: think about the popular flash movies that are passed from hand to hand, slowly accumulating obnoxious advertisements as they go.

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  16. The whole idea is brain-dead by tmark · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    *Especially* (but not only) at a time when so many networks are still hobbled, I think it's absolutely brain-dead that anybody would think of having people download VIDEO of information that is almost certainly as well represented in text, and certainly more easily distributable. A product review of a router (or was it a firewall) ? An interview with some hacker ? This is stuff that needs to be in *video* ? If they were highlights from the Superbowl, or clips of Bill Gates getting a pie in the face, fine, but by the content they're choosing to distribute it's pretty clear to me that this group is about as clueless as can be.

    1. Re:The whole idea is brain-dead by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, all those people who watch news videos and interview videos are obviously just a fluke.

      I mean, come on! It's not like we need 24 hour news channels or anything! Next, we'll have, like, channels on TV for just shopping...

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  17. Good independent films by OneIsNotPrime · · Score: 5, Informative

    True, seems like there would be more stuff out there, but there are some great ones like these to keep your eyes open for.

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  18. I hope the show is better than the distribution by Fastfwd · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Please could someone tell these guys about BitTorrent. Yes it CAN be used legitimately.

  19. Re:Other cities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "But do you have point-to-point TV that requires a line of sight between your house and, say, Queen Anne Hill? Didn't think so! "

    UHF? But hey, since it's packet based, you can have an unlimited number (where unlimited is something 5) number of transmitters operating in the same band!

  20. Re:Bandwidth++ by billyradcliffe · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Whoever modded this to -1 Offtopic is a fucking cunt. Did you even read the post?

  21. What a horrible review of the Watchguard by bogie · · Score: 2, Informative

    Honectly that's probably the worst product review I've ever seen. Perhaps there is most footage then from 12:42 to ~13.42? Because I've seen better product info on QVC. Basically they just how great the product is and all you hear about from a security standpoint(These are wireless experts right?) is that it has 128bit WEP, MAC filtering and VPN. They also mention in passing that its cpu is powerful enough for antivirus. Yawn. And this is different from a $60 Dlink WAP how?

    So if you haven't watched the review but were planning on it, don't because its a waste of time.
    There is way more information on the companies first page for the product.

    Sorry to be so negative, but really if your going to bill yourself as an authority on "Community, Corporate, and Home Wireless applications, hardware, security," then leave the fluff PR pieces to the companies marketing divisions.

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  22. Warcopter...? by ChaoticPup · · Score: 1
    More of that archaic, Horse and Buggy technology the ham radio operators have access to, eh?

    Yes, the sarcasmizer is engaged...

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  23. I like this idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *BSD is dying. **AA is dying. Slashdot is dying. And it sucks.

  24. Get me a bat... by rhkaloge · · Score: 1

    ...so I can beat the person who came up with the word "cantenna".

    1. Re:Get me a bat... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Why do you want to beat up some retired Heathkit marketing guy?

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  25. See him at SCALE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Rob will be speaking this November at SCALE 2x in Los Angeles.

  26. Heads-Up: Watchguards are crap by Nijika · · Score: 1
    Sorry, I know they sound great because they're based on Linux (which should by all right automatically raise them to a better operating level since you know the foundations are pretty good). This is a bit out of character for me because I usually don't come down so hard on products...

    Any Watchguard security device I've worked with that is under even moderate load start so lose sessions, drop packets, and reboot. This goes for the SoHo series as well. They don't do much against even the most basic DoS attack. Often I refer to them AS the denial of service, they're that bad.

    I have a client using the Vclass series right now, and in high availability the cluster doesn't have more than 24 hours of uptime ever. They push about 2Mbps on average, and these things are supposed to be rated for 100Mbps. Don't get me started on the "features".

    Garbage. Would I trust my WiFi with that?

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  27. Seattle Wireless TV? by Obfuscant · · Score: 2, Funny
    I've been to Seattle. They've got several wireless TV stations. KING-TV does a lot more than one program a month, as I recall, although the other network outlets may be more limited.


    I even heard from someone who was there more recently that they've now installed indoor plumbing in most of their larger public buildings. Someday I'll have to hitch up the wagon and go see if indoor is really that much better.

    1. Re:Seattle Wireless TV? by jgarland79 · · Score: 1

      NO! NO! NO! Not Seattle Wireless TV, as in Seattle has Wireless TV. SeattleWireless is the name of the group. and they made a online TV show. You never heard of SeattleWireless? http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Seattle+Wireless %22

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  28. Re:Heads-Up: Watchguards are crap MOD UP by svallarian · · Score: 1

    Boy, where are my mod points today...

    You're dead on about these damn things not being very tolerant..we've got a couple of them here, and they are easy to use, but just *don't* try to port scan 'em...they'll reboot!

    There good for internal firewalls that are protecting "less used" assets, but for an all out firewall for a 100 user network, it's plain suck.

    Steven V.

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  29. poorman's helicopter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The helicopter is awesome but until there is a cheaper way to fly the majority of people will never get a chance to play with this stuff. A kit isnt too bad, you can buy the parts for a decent sized electric model for around $200. Another couple hundred for a motor, servos, and maybe a gyro. But the typical radio is aparently made of gold or something because they cost more than everything else combined.
    I was faced with this problem about 2 years ago so for $75 worth of parts and lots of imaginary $ for my time i built my own using two pic16f84's, one of those cheesy rf links you see advertised in the ameature robotics circles, and an analog psx controller. No gps or video link (the rf link was a cheaper on way version) but if i ever get a gas powered model with a longer range i think it would be worth the time.
    I bet a lot of people here could do the same and probably much better and for less money. Its actually pretty straight forward to intigrate all the parts and well worth the money.

  30. If you're unfortunate enough to have a Watchguard by Nijika · · Score: 1

    That's exactly how we're positioning them. We spent probably more than $10,000 on the cluster, and we're now shelling out another $10,000 for some Cisco pixes. It's a sad thing when you have to protect your firewalls... with firewalls...

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  31. Here's a bittorrent link by Robotron2084 · · Score: 1



    http://www.ubergeek.tv/bt/August2003.mpg.torrent

    And as always, PLEASE leave your Bittorrent download windows open after you finish, to keep the download alive!

  32. Bittorrent link is offline by Robotron2084 · · Score: 1


    After setting up the bittorrent and downloading the movie myself, it looks as though I have an incomplete movie file and so the Bittorrent link is offline. Unless people write saying they want it, it'll stay down. Slashdot effect should be lessened now anyway!