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WIPO Pressured to Kill Meeting on Open Source

panthan writes "The Washington Post has has an article about a proposed meeting of the WIPO concerning open source having been removed from consideration, apparently due to pressure from the US State Department and the USPTO. 'In short order, lobbyists from Microsoft-funded trade groups were pushing officials at the State Department and the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office to squelch the meeting. One lobbyist, Emery Simon with the Business Software Alliance, said his group objected to the suggestion in the proposal that overly broad or restrictive intellectual-property rights might in some cases stunt technological innovation and economic growth.'" Lawrence Lessig has some comments.

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  1. Interesting by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The US State Department is pushing other departments to pay more for their software. I wonder if the State Department is using Open Source itself...


    Be interesting if the Government players most opposed to Open Source are those gaining political power by others NOT using it, when they themselves are.


    Or have I watched too many X-Files?

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  2. So.... by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does this mean that IBM could lobby to have Microsoft not considered? That Sun could lobby to get Apple banned from other meetings because they have a different set of Intellectual Property protection than what Buymusic.com has? (All right, bad example, but....)

    It seems that the only way that some businesses (read: Microsoft) are able to keep up the pressure against Linux is by trying to do it with laws. Why don't we have an Open Source DVD player for Linux? Oh - well, the MPAA helped get a law passed that makes it basically illegal to create. Sorry about that, but that's just how it works.

    Yes, I'm a little irritated, and if I discover that my local senator/congressman was involved in this in any way, they can expect a nastygram listed as "voting for the other guy come election day".

    I find it interesting how the major players (aka "Microsoft") are trying to keep out their real competition. What if Open Source was part of the Intellectual Property decisions? Wouldn't that be a good thing for everybody if every OS supported Intellectual Property in a truly fair and just matter? Well, good for everyone except Microsoft - can't have a level playing field if we can keep the competition out, right?

  3. Write your Senator! by corporatemutantninja · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's the email I just sent to my two senators: Dear Senator --, I just read in the Washington Post that the World Intellectual Property Organization had initiated plans for a meeting about the role of open source software. According to the article, a reference to the meeting in Nature magazine triggered a flurry of lobbying from organizations like the Business Software Alliance. (The BSA, in case you didn't know, is essentially just a division of Microsoft.) Even the U.S. Patent Office chimed in, portraying open source as somehow opposed to the ideas of intellectual property. The full Washington Post article is here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A234 22-2003Aug20.html Just so you don't think open source is some kind of "hippy thing", I work for the largest private equity firm in the world that is focused exclusively on information technology (here in Greenwich, CT) and I spend my days looking for good technology investments. It's clear to me that far from a fringe movement that opposes business, open source is a model for collaborative software development that makes possible a whole range of business models and innovations. Companies like IBM and Apple have wholeheartedly embraced open source. The only companies opposed to open source are those that currently enjoy relative monopolies in their areas. I.e., Microsoft. By putting actual competitive pressure on Microsoft, the open source has forced changes on Microsoft that the U.S. Government (or at least the last administration) were unable to accomplish. It distresses me that Microsoft's lobbying power has this much sway over our government, particularly since the open source movement is by it's nature decentralized and therefore has no cash reserves to fight back. By the way, if you don't know much about the BSA and open source, here is an article that describes the BSA's strong arm tactics used in bullying small businesses: http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=l h I hope you will take this issue seriously and, if you haven't already, take some time to become educated on open source.

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  4. WIPO's strained budget ?? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Interesting

    She added that the WIPO official who embraced the meeting had done so without proper consultation with the member states, and that WIPO's budget already is strained and cannot accommodate another meeting next year.

    or next century, they're on such a tight budget. There are only 179 member world states after all ...

    What a shitty excuse. Who do they take people for ?

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  5. Very discouraging by sloth+jr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Big business kidney punches the consumer once again.

    It's not like I can't understand their concern - I work for a company selling proprietary software (running on open-source OSes), and I'm not thrilled about the notion of someone else fielding a product we can't compete with (assuming feature parity).

    If someone does, however, then more power to them. They went to the effort, and they decided that all should benefit from the fruits of their labor.
    That's downright noble.

    What big business seems to be doing here is using process rather than product to beat down the barbarian hordes. Why shouldn't the intellectual property concerns of open source advocates be taken into consideration when formulating a world IP policy?

    sloth jr

  6. Re:email her by harryseldon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ask her why the policy of the WIPO is to attack IBM's business model.

    Ask IBM why they are paying lobbyists to attack their own business model. (IBM belongs to the BSA).

  7. So what.... by FatRatBastard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Frankly I don't think this will really do much for or against the adoption of FOSS. The fact of the matter is Linux/*BSD/Apache/Perl/et al are taking off all by themselves, and the way the licenses are designed there's no way to legislate FOSS out of existance without fundamentally changing copyright laws, so much in so it would be detrimental to all software companies.

    FOSS is here to stay and will continue to be adopted whether or not the WIPO sit around and talk about it.

  8. Game on. by BrynM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Between this, SCO, and the stuff MS et al have tried in the past year, consider it game on for the war on OSS. I get the feeling that things are really going to heat up as we head into 2004 and get even hotter in 2004. Thankfully, OSS has enough of a foothold to defend itself and (hopefuly) survive. I'll be sending another FSF donation tonight, what else can we do folks? We need some OSS lobbyists or companies with lobbyists to want to help protect OSS. Ideas? Suggestions?

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  9. There's a lot more at stake than most realize... by nohup · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The key to this article was in the second-to-last paragraph:

    "But open-source is not just a political challenge. It strikes a starkly different, and sometimes opposite, pose from that of traditional capitalist systems."

    Many companies are afraid of what this might mean to their current business model. What could open source eventually do the global economy as a whole? This "quiet war" against open source is being waged mostly by corporations in the U.S. that feel they probably have the most to lose.

    Consider possible long term effects for them: The U.S. economy has seen absolutely stunning growth during the past 100 years. It has doubled in size six times during that period. Economic theory suggests that this happened because of the technological advancements. Now in the Internet age, any person in even third world countries can get online and instantly have all of the knowledge of a highly professional college graduate from the U.S. Open source gives them the opportunity to have access to information, tools, and concepts which normally would have been accessible only by the traditional business model in first world countries at a price. With the open information revolution it is "free". This concept alone could revolutionize economies around the world: suddenly they have access to the same information, but without the price. This over time will lessen the technological dominance the U.S. has held traditionally. Any new developments made within the U.S. can easily be copied and re-produced in other countries, and possibly even countries with a better comparative advantage than the U.S. (meaning they can do the same for less).

    • Case in point:
    it took technology companies many years to reach the point where hard drives, CPU's, memory, etc. in a PC are so fast and big as they are today. Now, anyone in a poor country could get a computer, and instantly have the benefit of all those years of development. Then with that computer, they can start downloading open source software and accessing information that they would never have been able to do otherwise. A relatively poor Ecuadorian could learn skills to rival his U.S. counterparts, start programming and outsource at a much cheaper price!

    This is scary for U.S. companies because it means the competition would suddenly increase, and given the relatively high cost of labor in the U.S., it could mean harder economic times for us. I imagine there would be sort of an "evening out" effect economically between the U.S. and other countries.

    On top of this, when consumers are faced between the choice of two products, one that is free and one that is $100 (for example), the closer they are to being just as good, the less the consumers will buy the commercial product. To have to compete with open source would mean large profit losses for companies especially like Microsoft, who has for a long time enjoyed near monopoly status.

    The only thing protecting this from changing are so called "Intellectual Property" laws that would prevent this from happening. When you see it this way, you see that Microsoft and others are simply trying to protect their interests and investment. Personally, I like the open source revolution. It definately benefits customers. We all benefit from competition, but companies have an increasingly hard time surviving in such conditions. I also recognize the importance of companies though: they are the ones that make the economic wheel spin. We rely on companies for our jobs. We have some interesting decades ahead of us. I honestly believe open source, and open information as a whole will be the main factors in revolutionizing the global economy yet again.

    Is it any wonder that these companies, and even our own U.S. government fear somewhat the effect open source could have on their respective growth and income? How about we as individuals of the U.S.?

  10. You have no IP rights! by twitter · · Score: 5, Interesting
    IP law has become nothing more than an authorization for a gold rush, as everyone hurries to stake their claims until there's nothing left that you can do for free.

    No, it's worse than that. A US Governemet representative has spouted some of Microsft's more outrageous and stupid anti-GPL FUD. This, from Lessing, is absolutly incredible:

    Lois Boland, director of international relations for the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, said "that open-source software runs counter to the mission of WIPO, which is to promote intellectual-property rights."

    If I don't have the right to share my IP as I please, what rights do I have? If I can't take my software and release it so that others can use it and share their insights to make it better, what can I do with it? Do I have to keep it to myself and hope that Microsoft will make me an offer for it?

    This is total bullshit, I have every right to do as I please with my own work. If the government will back me up when I put silly restrictions on my users, it had better back me up when I put reasonable ones or none at all on them.

    Louis Boland, for such a stupid statement, should be removed from her post imediatly. It shows a complete disregard for copyright law, free speech and even lacks common sense. It does not follow that the US government would spend my tax money to protect a restrictive publisher or author, but not one that is less restrictive and more directly meeting the purpose of copyright laws: to promote the state of the art and expand the public domain. Some people do not need government protection or direct monetary reward to share their ideas. It's as American as Ben Franklin's newspapers. Louis, I hope you have been taken out of context and will work to reverse this cancellation. WIPO needs to consider the issue and should encourage it because it is in everyone's best interest. If you really think free software is somehow counter to Intelectual Property rights, I hope that you are removed tomorrow and never see another public appointment.

    This message was composed and posted on free software that is arguably better than Microsoft crap. It cost me less money to aquire and continues to cost me less money to maintain as well as enriching my knowledge of software and enabling me to contribute to the state of the art. Non-free software vendors won't even let me understand their inner workings, much less contribute to it's improvement.

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  11. my letter to the patent office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am writing to express my opposition to your policy with respect to
    the WIPO open source meeting. Our constitutional principles dictate
    that the intellectual property grant should be limited, and WIPO is
    not purposed to promote IP to the detriment of the public common.
    Moreover, it is contrary to the founding principles of WIPO that IP
    should be promoted against the wishes of generous authors and inventors
    who intentionally license their creations freely. Please reconsider
    your decision and support the open source meeting.

    Regards,
    Michael L. Love
    MacCHESS
    Cornell University
    http://www.gnu-darwin.org/

  12. Re:Dying for IP by stanwirth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't mean to hurt your patriotic feelings, but isn't it very possible that many of those millions dies exactly for tho right of those huge corporations to trample over poverty stricken bodies?

    The people that put their lives on the line did not do it for IBM or Microsoft or Bechtel, or Halliburton -- they did do it for their country and what they believed their country stood for -- freedom.

    That some corporations connected to some reigning power elites have seized opportunities to usurp and pervert the freedoms that so many have died for, is the very sad irony and disgrace that I identified.

    And there appears to be a similar theme between the corporate power that would usurp, pervert, monopolise and profit from the nascent freedom of the Iraqi people, and the corporate power that would usurp, pervert, monopolise and profit from control over the means of distribution and certification of intellectual property.

    That common theme is corporate power perverting democratic institutions for their own gain.

    So, in a sense, we actually agree with one another.

    The UN on the other hand, is actively promoting both Linux and WiFi in developing countries -- so it would appear that supporting and developing open source software is a way of eroding corporate power and corruption in both the foreign and domestic arenas.

    And it's something we can each actually do . If we dare, in the face of potential reprisals--it's "a career-limiting move" after all.

    Scared? There is no pump more efficient than a scared man with a bucket.

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