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DeCSS Loses Free Speech Shield

JohnGrahamCumming writes "BusinessWeek/CNET is reporting that the California Supreme Court has ruled that 'a Web publisher could be barred from posting DVD-copying code online without infringing on his free speech rights.' They also say that 'the state Supreme Court ruled that property and trade secrets rights outranked free speech rights in this case.'" According to the article, this "...overturned an earlier decision that said blocking Web publishers from posting the controversial piece of software called DeCSS, which can be used to help decrypt and copy DVDs, would violate their First Amendment rights."

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  1. The solution by captainclever · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't host it on a website.. in the US.

    There are plenty of other countries that don't have such a crazy legal system.

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  2. All DVD piracy to stop! news at 11! by chill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, all those pirate DVDs that are printed en masse in places like China, New York and LA are going to be put right out of business.

    Heaven forbid people pump the video from a DVD component output into a capture card and make a DiVX copy that is smaller, almost as good and without copy protection.

    IMHO, DeCSS was litigated not because it allowed copying/viewing of DVDs but because it was a major embarrassment to the industry. Their best and brightest were humbled by a kid from Norway. Oh the shame!

    DeCSS was written for, and mainly used for, watching legally purchased DVDs on Linux computers. Was the DVD industry ever able to come up with examples of DeCSS being used to pirate DVDs? There are probably more pirate DVDs stamped in China in one day that were EVER made with DeCSS.

    Loss of face. A shame the idiots in charge just didn't commit suicide and get it over with.

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  3. Hypocritical by Prizm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is it that we can post the directions for how to properly murder someone or build a bomb (In fact, this seems to be the topic of most movies made today), yet we are barred from posting DVD-copying code?

    Can a case be made that posting DVD-copying code and directions on a website makes people more likely to copy DVDs, while there is no correlation to how many people are more likely to build a bomb or murder someone after reading the directions online?

  4. Outrageous Outranking by An'Desha+Danin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    '...the state Supreme Court ruled that property and trade secrets rights outranked free speech rights in this case.'

    Funny, I wasn't aware that propety and trade secrets rights were in the Constitution.

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  5. Barn door closed, missing wall not noticed... by MightyTribble · · Score: 5, Insightful


    This lawsuit was specious. DeCSS had/has nothing to do with illegal DVD duplication as described by the plantiffs - the DVD pirates of Asia don't use it, and never had. They didn't need to.

    All it's done is solidify a bad law and provide PR for the DVDCCA and MPAA. Large scale movie piracy will continue, untouched by this ruling, in factories all over China, Russia and Vietnam.

    But US citizens will now be unable to exercise reasonable fair-use on DVDs they own.

    This is *fantastic* news. Sure, in the short-term it looks bad, but in a few years time the consumer backlash will be a sight to behold. It'll happen, once Joe Sixpack realises he has to buy a seperate copy of "American Wedding III" for each media player he wants to watch it on.

  6. Your answers.. by Genjurosan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    - Are property and trade secrets rights a constitutional right?

    NO.

    - Can anything outweigh a constitutional right?

    MONEY.

  7. I refuse to buy a product that.... by einhverfr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I refuse to buy any product from any company who assumes that I am a criminal and refuses to give me the benefit of the doubt. Do I run Windows or Office? Nope. Do I watch DVD's? Nope. If I could watch a DVD without a DVD player would I? Usually not.

    The point is that the MPAA (and now RIAA, Microsoft, etc.) make it a point in assuming that their customer base is a part of their problem. Fine. Then I won't be a part of their customer base. End of story.

    Somehow I don't think I am alone. THe recoding industry started seeing additional losses after winning their battle against Napster, and although most of it is explained by simple economics, I have known many friends who felt very torn whether to buy an album by an artist they liked-- if they buy it, they are lining the pockets of an insdustry they felt betrayed by, but they still wanted to support their artists.

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  8. Re:Trade secret case depends on Norway by anthonyrcalgary · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesn't matter. The DeCSS code is everywhere now.

    But the implications are worrying.

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  9. Good. by jcsehak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me state, right off the bat: this is not a troll.

    While I agree with just about everybody here that reverse-engineering shouldn't be illegal, and you should be able to publish DeCSS, I just want to watch the DVD I bought legally for crying out loud, etc --

    Let's keep the first amendment out of this, okay? DeCSS is code. It's not free expression, it's not an Art form. It's simply a useful tool that let's you watch DVDs on your linux box. It should be legal to distribute it, not because of free speech, but because you simply should be allowed to write code that let's you watch movies.

    Rather than trying to shove the square peg of technology into the round hole of the 1st amendment, we should be addressing current technology laws. In a way, not calling shenanigans on the DMCA every chance you get implies your acceptance of it. If you fix the DeCSS problem with 1st amendment logic, you've fixed the DeCSS problem. But if you fix it by repealing the DMCA, you've fixed a whole lot of other problems as well.

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  10. Now a Federal Matter by ewhac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The next obvious stop is the Federal Circuit, which is where Constitutional matters such as Free Speech get decided.

    Trade "secrets", once released into the retail marketplace, essentially cease to be so, since reverse-engineering is a legitimate practice, and always has been. License "agreements", which are a legal fiction anyway, do not change this fact. The idea that such compromised "secrets" can still trump Free Speech is ludicrous on its face.

    Don't think for one nanosecond that this is over.

    Oh, and to head off the foolish remarks ahead of time:

    • Copying is not theft, and never was.
      Copying a thing is not the same as taking a thing. They are morally, economically, and legally distinct acts. Conflation of the two will merely confuse you and lead you to the wrong conclusions.
    • EULAs are bullshit.
      See this editorial for a primer as to why you should view any such "agreement" as highly suspect.
    • Yes, there are legitimate reasons for getting at the raw data.
      Merely because you can't think of a reason why anyone should examine the unencrypted data on DVDs doesn't mean good reasons don't exist (wacky screen blankers and realtime integration with video games are but two examples). Therefore, cutting off all access to that data shows a remarkably foolish lack of foresight; you have no idea what you'll be depriving yourself of later.
    • The Law is not the be-all end-all authority of moral behavior.
      Merely chanting, "It's illegal!" will win you no new followers. There are plenty of foolish, self-serving laws on the books, and many others are violated on a daily basis without threat to the Republic. You must describe why you believe such illegality is a social benefit, not just for you, but for your audience as well.
    • "Property" cuts both ways.
      Copyright extremists like to bleat that creators' rights should be protected, and that creators should have absolute control over their creations. Apart from the fact that this point of view is completely unrealistic, it also fails to take into account that, by virtue of having sold (not licensed) their goods in the retail marketplace, their "properties" are now subject to the whims of a new owner -- namely, the person who purchased it, and who may have very different ideas about what should and shouldn't be done with it. S/he is every bit the legitimate owner as the creator. So who calls the shots, and how do you justify that?

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