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Time to clear out the bin of the taint of SCO, hopefully we haven't posted these already... The Economist has a piece titled Face Value -- Of Monkeys and Penguins. The EFF is pushing an email campaign about SCO. An anonymous reader submits this completely unverified claim that SCO needs to change the password on their mail server: sco.txt. And another reader presents a theory about SCO's stock performance.

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  1. Whatabout paragraph 141? by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just read Rob and Eric's long, well-written rebuttal to SCO's complaint but missed any remarks from them on paragraph 141.

    To me, it seemed too important to be not commented. Has it been commented upon since?

  2. You know you're in deep water... by NetRanger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...when the EFF is coming after you. The EFF is not light-handed on the legal representation side, and if they're coming down on the side of Linux against SCO, then SCO has problems.

    What I want to see happen, however, is an injunction that holds all funds paid for "Linux licenses" in an escrow account until this matter is settled permanently.

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  3. Interesting by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Even though SCO hates Linux and the GPL, if that text file of their server shell is true:

    mail:/usr/share # hostname -f; uname -a
    mail.sco.com
    Linux mail 2.4.19-64GB-SMP #1 SMP Fri Feb 7 16:29:22 UTC 2003 i686 unknown

    They run Linux... SMP version even. So I guess Linus can sue them for copyright infringement if they won't follow the GPL? Assuming this is a valid text log. Would a Netcraft report count as evidence?
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  4. Re:Yes, I posted this story yesterday by Soko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I never thought I would see IBM on the right side of IT, but there we have it.

    All as it takes is one sanguine person to turn the tide. Remember that.

    (I read about one OSS advocate who @IBM who caught the attention of Mr. Gerstner. That was when I was sober...)

    Soko

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  5. business vs tech presss by wwwrench · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The fact that SCO stock increased while there case was shown to suck, really shows we are not kicking SCO in the right place. We need to hit them where it hurts.

    We finally got to see what was presumably their best evidence, and it was a steaming turd of donkeyshit. They were either lying or were unbelievably negligent. While this was all over geek websites, it didn't make much of a ripple in the business press, and as the last article points out, SCO stock actually got pumped in the business press after the bogus code was released. And the business press is the place to hit SCO -- all they care about is their stock price, and the corporate hacks who determine stock prices don't read Slashdot.

    Playing on the defensive as the EFF is doing is good, but we also need to go on the offense more.

    People and organizations should contact biz journalists, or write letters to the editors. Send out press releases. Post the information at stock sites -- wherever. If stock traders know how bogus SCO's claims are, it will hurt the fuckwads at SCO. While the SCO story may not be of interest to the general public, it is of interest to the business community. I am sick of seeing unbalanced articles in businessweek or whatever, which contain no viewpoint from the free software software community.

    And hackers can go on the offensive by filing lawsuits or threatening such. Send out cease and desist letters and make it public with a press release. Specific people and development teams have been libeled. They have accused the kernel team of theft. Now that code snippets have been made public, further lies by SCO can even be considered as slander against the specific people who contributed that code. And those who are the public face of the kernel team can claim damages as well. While the damages one could claim would not be enough to retire on, it can damage SCO's stock price with the publicity. SCum needs to be told to put up or shut the fuck up.

    Stick it to the bastards!

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    1. Re:business vs tech presss by DASHSL0T · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Speaking of going on the offensive, I am trying to put together a list of alternatives for each company that is a member of Canopy Group. Hit them in the pocketbook, as that is all they understand.

      I need your help idientifying alternative companies for each of them. If you know alternatives to them, please contact me with the information, or reply to this thread. :)

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    2. Re:business vs tech presss by MuParadigm · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Post the information at stock sites -- wherever. If stock traders know how bogus SCO's claims are, it will hurt the fuckwads at SCO."

      They know. Check out the SCOX messages at Yahoo. It's got a high noise to signal ratio, but a lot of people there are shooting down the stock pumpers, and spreading anti-FUD in general.

      The reason the stock has been going up is because a company known as Integral Capital Partners has apparently been purchasing a shitload of stock and filed with the SEC that they had over 5% interest in SCO as of 8/22. Interestingly enough, ICP owns the majority of shares in Drugstore.Com, and Melinda Gates (Bill's wife) sits on the board of Drugstore.com.

      I wouldn't be at all surprised if the real float on SCOX's stock was less than 25% at this point.

  6. Re:sco.txt fake ? by terminal.dk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Lokking at the password line, you will notice that the password is stored as a standard crypt password.

    I can't remember how many years ago it became standard to use MD5 sums instead, which are way harder to crack. The only reason to use crypt passwords today is because you had to carry hundreds of users forward, and was not willing to re-issue a new password.

    I have now put john the ripper at the job to crack the password, so I can see if the password looks likely to be true.

  7. Re:sco.txt fake ? by Nikademus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If the password line is true, they know they have been cracked, so they probably have changed the pass anyway.

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  8. SCO's MIcrosoft connection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Groklaw seems to have cracked the SCO-Microsoft connection.

    It certainly explains who has been buying SCO stock.

    I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

  9. SCOX = BRE-X ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Following is an opinion - all Speculation & conjecture - could SCOX = BRE-X?

    BRE-X was a struggling small town Canadian mining company.

    SCOX is a struggling small town Utah software company.

    Midland Walsh, one of the principals of BRE-X was famous for suing a former employer and getting a settlement for an undisclosed sum.

    Darl McBride, one of the principals of SCOX is famous for suing a former employer and getting a settlement for an undisclosed sum.

    BRE-X suddenly said they found these incredibly huge gold deposits in a mine in Indonesia. This despite considerable prior evidence that this mine never contained gold before.

    SCOX suddenly says they found these incredibly huge illegal UNIX code deposits in Linux. This despite considerable prior evidence that Linux never contained illegal UNIX before.

    BRE-X brought in well-known outside experts (Kavanagh and Francisco) which made their claims of gold found, look more credible. Investors didn't know if these outside experts were directly involved in the search for gold - it later turned out that they weren't.

    SCOX brought in well-known outside experts (Boies and Heise) which made their claims of gold found, look more credible. Investors don't know if these outside experts were directly involved in the search for UNIX code - how will it later turn out?

    BRE-X said they had their own secret teams of experts, whose identities they couldn't reveal, supporting their claims (assaying of core samples for gold).

    SCOX says they have their own secret teams of experts,whose identities they couldn't reveal, supporting their claims (finding illegal UNIX code in Linux).

    Industry experts criticized the BRE-X techniques for assaying which were unorthodox, which they say didn't follow industry standard practises, and lacked concrete details.

    Industry experts criticized the SCOX techniques for code search which were unorthodox, which they say don't follow industry standard practises, and lack concrete details.

    BRE-X's reports (with incredible claims) were criticized by industry experts for the same reasons. The industry experts were ignored.

    SCOX reports (with incredible claims) are criticized by industry experts for the same reasons. The industry experts are ignored.

    BRE-X kept issuing new reports, with no verifiable concrete details, upping and upping their claims of gold found.

    SCOX keep issuing new reports, with no verifiable concrete details, upping and upping their claims of UNIX code found.

    Despite the obvious reasons to doubt, media and stock analysts preferred the BRE-X version of events to that of the industry experts. Some stock analysts (Bianchini of Nesbitt Burns) really pushed the stock hard.

    Despite the obvious reasons to doubt, media and stock analysts preferred the SCOX version of events to that of the industry experts. Some stock analysts (Cohen of JHC Capital Management) really pushed the stock hard.

    As more and more discrepencies in the BRE-X story came to light, the company produced a series of increasingly unsatisfactory explanations, and more outrageous claims, which were disputed by industry experts too.

    As more and more discrepencies in the SCOX story come to light, the company produced a series of increasingly unsatisfactory explanations, and more outrageous claims, which were disputed by industry experts too.

    The BRE-X stock prise rose and rose on the Toronto Stock Exchange, driven by massive relatively uncritical media coverage.

    The SCOX stock prise rose and rose on the NASDAQ, driven by massive relatively uncritical media coverage.

    BRE-X insiders cashed out millions of stock. It was a tiny fraction of the total company stock, but still a lot of money to them, especially considering their prior investment in the company was worth a relative pittance.

    SCOX insiders cash out millions of stock. It was a tiny fraction

  10. there's an interview on wired aswell by naph · · Score: 3, Interesting
    wired interview with darl mcbride

    my fav quote: "The world is moving to a Unix operating environment, and SCO owns the intellectual property rights to it"

    SCO to rule the world then? heh!

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  11. Possible explanation of SCOX price by walterbyrd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ripped from Yahoo's RHAT message board:
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    Possible explanation of SCOX price
    by: heimdal31 08/29/03 04:34 pm
    Msg: 98717 of 98729

    I've tried to put some of the information I've gleaned from the SCO board into more easily digestible form.

    I think the most interesting one is

    http://www.threenorth.com/sco/cohen.html

    but all 4 are linked from

    http://www.threenorth.com/sco