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Microsoft Longhorn Delayed

skreuzer writes "Microsoft has once again shifted the schedule for the release of "Longhorn," the company's next major version of Windows. The product was originally expected to ship next year. Then in May of this year, officials pushed back the release date to 2005. But now executives are declining to say when they expect the software to ship."

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  1. tell me about it by Barbarian · · Score: 5, Informative

    I recently reinstalled Windows XP. There were 47 "critical" updates. Installed service pack 1. Then there were 29 critical updates left. About time for Service pack 2.

    1. Re:tell me about it by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 5, Informative

      1. New up2date available with updated SSL certificate authority file

      I have never used SSL. I've used Apache but I've never needed SSL. This patch does not apply to me.


      FYI, if you don't get the above update, up2date will not run anymore :)

  2. Re:don't forget the real consequences for the web by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually it looks as thought they haven't released IE7 because they're integrating it into Longhorn so much so that releasing a new version of the stand alone browser is irrevlevant.

    That's why they're still releasing patches for IE6.01 but won't go the full nine and integrate tabbed browsing or gestures or any other cool feature because they're holding their breath for Longhorn.

    Though, with this timeline they may actually just release IE7, but considering that there are existing IE alternatives, I don't expect any new IE stuff until 2005.

  3. Re:Joshua... what are you doing ? by Drishmung · · Score: 5, Informative
    Depends what you mean. The product that became "Windows 95" slipped so many times that it was renamed "Windows 95" in order to force it to ship in 1995.

    Windows and Windows NT were supposed to converge after 98/NT 4. They didn't. Finally we have Windows XP, how many years later?

    Agreed, latterly they have shipped something on time, rather than delay, but the something more often than not has been another interim release, rather than the product actually PowerPointed several years earlier.

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  4. Re:How do you improve? by erikharrison · · Score: 5, Informative
    I hate XP with a passion. That aside XP offers these things over 2k:
    • Integrated PPPoE client
    • The only feature worth having in ME - System Restore
    • Built in CD burning capabilities
    • Built in firewall
    • Virtual directories - browse archives like directories, and consequently perform extractions from file manager
    • Windows 95 compatibility mode
    • Faster searching, with ability to search based on type (more sopisticated than *.txt searches)
    • Lots of random, minor cleanups - privacy controls in IE, primitive (and I do mean primitive) virus checking in OE, tools from the 2k administration pack included by default, etc
  5. Re:What's the deal with .NET? by sirshannon · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are shrink-wrapped .NET apps, most coming from MS (since they are one of the few companies that make boxed software that only runs on MS).

    Windows XP was released before the .Net framework v1.0 was released, so XP does not come with it installed but it (v1.1 at this time) is listed on the Windows Update site. Windows 2003 Server does ship with v1.1 of the .Net framework.

  6. The push will be Longhorn by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 5, Informative

    .NET will be all over Longhorn. Longhorn itself will be .NET based. The latest betas have explorer.exe running as .NET managed code.

    They're leaving Win32 behind and going full .NET. The big push will be then, and you can bet the new version of Office will help that push, as well as a new Server product.

    There are a lot of very major changes going on with Longhorn. I don't blame them for taking their time with this. From hardware acceleration on the desktop to SQL engine integration to revamping everything to run as .NET managed code, it'll be a lot of work.

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  7. Corrections by EverDense · · Score: 4, Informative

    The parent post is hardly "Insightful".
    Windows 3.1 was released in April 1992.
    Windows for Workgroups 3.1 and 3.11 were MAJOR versions, they were released in Oct 1992 and Nov 1993, respectively. Where are the Windows NT entries? v3.51 and v4 certainly major versions (released during 1994).
    Windows 98 and 98SE can be considered MAJOR versions (maybe not under the hood, but still...).

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  8. Longhorn won't require 3D by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Longhorn will have a tiered approach. There will be the full-on 3D configuration, the middle-level, and so on. You can scale all the way back to normal 2D operations like now, and they are even including the Windows 2000 theme like XP has.

    This is all covered at WinSuperSite, by the way, in the "Road To Longhorn" articles. Whether or not you like Paul Thurrott, he has the sources in Microsoft to get actual information on future versions of Windows.

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  9. Indeed. by Faust7 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Windows Server 2003 took longer to release because of the re-written IIS and .NET layers. Security was also a main concern, but not because XP or 2000 were insecure.

    They had plenty of vulnerabilities and many exploits that could have been prevented by patching and such... however, with SQL Slammer, Code Red, and others that had come out, Gates decided, this is it, we have to change some process somewhere. So he overhauled their development process one more time to focus around security in EVERY decision. So they halted development for 6 months, sent every single developer to a school in developing secure code, purchased 200 million in books on secure programming for their developers, and then went back to work. That right there delayed things 6 months alone.

    Then, as part of Gates' orders, their next job was a line by line review of every single coded product Microsoft makes. Everything from Windows Server 2003 to the IntelliPoint software. While analyzing that code for common security mistakes, they also founded a new security organization for companies to join to exchange common coding conventions for secure code and publish common mistakes and to allow joint development knowledge to be shared, and hired on 500 people at the company to develop tools that do nothing but scan code. Those tools go out and look at code to find buffer overrun issues (the most common security flaw in existence), and to look for other common security mishaps in code.

    After the review, they implemented the changes found therein. Then ran the new tools that by that time were done being developed, then implemented those changes, then got back on track with development and yes, rewrote the IIS layers to be partially built directly into the kernel for substantial performance increase. So with all that happening, the review, the tool development, the changes, the security education and reorganization, there were delays, yes. They got it out and look what it has... Two known vulnerabilities of which BOTH of them are a non-issue out of the box and are in areas that are rarely used.