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Sharp Zaurus C-7x0 Reviewed

jwr writes "The fine folks at BargainPDA have a full-length review of the latest Sharp Zaurus C-7x0 handhelds. " We've covered this PDA in the past but this is a much more in depth review on this solid looking device.

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  1. Looks like... by jpetts · · Score: 4, Funny

    they are^Wwere running their site on the Sharp Zaurus C-7x0

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  2. I was excited about Zaurus by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Until I played with one at Office Depot.

    I found navigating it was awkward and non-intuitive. It just reeked of "desktop computer" crammed into the PDA.

    PalmOS is just so much easier to deal with on such a small device.

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    1. Re:I was excited about Zaurus by Blasphemy · · Score: 4, Interesting


      If all you want is a date and address book, you should stick with a palm. I love being able to ssh/vnc/rdp from anywhere and compile my own kernel to include some features the manufacturer left out.

      If you want a "Personal Mobile Tool", nothing out there beats a Zaurus. Keep in mind that you played with a 5x00 series model. the 7x0 models are currently only available in Japan (and are far superior).

    2. Re:I was excited about Zaurus by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have run ssh from my palm, do some minor data-type functions, but its mostly just a date/address book. I have a laptop for everything else.

      I wouldnt want to have to go through a kernel compile or editting sendmail.cf armed with only a stylus and a magnifying glass. I dont want a full featured PC that small.

      And having to recompile the kernel for any reason whatsoever is pure idiocy and one of my main beefs with linux. Jebus. A monolithic kernel in a "modern" OS. It's like putting a steam engine in a 2004 model car.

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    3. Re:I was excited about Zaurus by Blasphemy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hey, steam engines are far more efficient than internal-combustion engines, don't knock them.

      It's obvious you haven't read the article, or you would know that the Zaurus has a keyboard. The screen swivels to hide it when in portrait mode, but it is far more useful in landscape mode.

      Compiling the kernel is never necessary, but it can be fun to unlock hidden potential in your new toy. e.g. the Zaurus' touch screen is actuall pressure sensitive. A new kernel with the correct patch will allow you to make some pretty sweet drawrings (it that's your thing).

  3. Article text anyone? by mao+che+minh · · Score: 3, Funny

    That was the fastest Slashdotting ever. Seriously. I clicked the link right after the article became available to non-sunscribers. It just goes to show, even though you can get complex applications like Apache to run on a PDA, it isn't always the brightest idea.

  4. OOOOO - It looks so GOOD by greymond · · Score: 4, Informative

    I totally love my SL-5500, I use it mostly for phone/address stuff and quick notes from meetings and calls, but even as an mp3 player with a 64mb SD in the side and a good headset it's great even at the gym . Looking on the Ezaurus.com page looks like there is a higher end version called the C760 (the article reviews the C750) - I'm sure by the time they actually start selling in America (what maybe 2 years from now) my 5500 will just start "feeling" old.

  5. Re:Yes that's nice ... by offroadgeek · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes it does, had you read the review you would have noticed that. Unfortunately even though this handheld runs Linux, it only syncs with M$ Windows OS', not Linux - bummer...

  6. Carriage return is a virtue :-) by Faust7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dude, did you, like, convert the article into a telegram before you posted it or something?

  7. Easy to read version, sorry by r84x · · Score: 5, Informative

    Review of Sharp Zaurus SL-C750 from Dynamism
    reviewed for bargainPDA by Ian Giblin with help from Vince Torti

    Overview

    The new Zaurus SL-C750 from Sharp is a versatile, linux-based PDA incorporating an XScale (PXA255) CPU at 400 MHz. In terms of software it is similar to the Zaurus SL-5600 which became available in the U.S. in April of 2003. The hardware, though, is significantly enhanced.

    Contents

    The content sections of this review are listed below. It makes sense to separate hardware and software discussion in any PDA; in this case it is more important because of the customisation which Dynamism have done.

    Hardware:

    * The Sharp SL-C750 and How To Get One
    * Packaging and First Impressions
    * Features Summary and Overall Design
    * The Display
    * Portrait Mode and the Tap-Buttons
    * The Stylus
    * Memory
    * The Keyboard
    * Input options other than the keyboard
    * Battery life

    Software:

    * The Operating System and Basic Navigation
    * Personal Information Management (PIM) Tools
    * Syncing and file transfer
    * Office Tools (Hancom Word, Hancom Sheet, Presentation)
    * Games
    * Multimedia
    * Networking
    * The Email Client
    * The NetFront3 WWW Browser
    * Other Software
    * Software Availability and Compatibility
    * Linux comments
    * Conclusion

    (back to contents)

    The Sharp SL-C750 and How To Get One

    At the present time this device is not available from Sharp USA. It can be bought from specialist suppliers Dynamism, who provided our review unit and have been described as the technology equivalent of an exclusive jewelery store. As well as modifying the Operating System to speak English and shipping the unit direct to you in three days (from Japan), Dynamism add lifetime free technical support, warranty coverage (they pay all shipping costs), and a wealth of experience in using these devices.

    Along with the C750, another similar model called the C760 is also available; that device has a larger battery, more memory and, obviously, ten more "cool points".

    (back to contents)

    Packaging

    The SL-C750 comes in a simple cardboard box with no clear plastic window. Just a few colour pictures of the device and some Japanese writing. The packaging is simple, light and easily recyclable.

    Inside the box is the PDA securely positioned with cardboard spacers, along wih the USB connector (not a cradle), power supply, CD-ROM, incomprehensible (unless you can read Japanese) 224-page manual, another shorter booklet which looks like the quick-start guide, and a registration card with a very Japanese-looking address on it. Somehow I don't think it would make it to Japan from Queens. Just about the only English text on this documentation was the Zaurus name and numerous references to ezaurus.com, the Japanese support site which does have some cool animations.

    First Impressions

    "Not as clumsy or random as an iPaq, this is an elegant PDA from an altogether more civilised age..."

    OK, I admit that the other PDA designs have come a long way, but as for first impressions, this device blows the competition out of the water. The device feels solid, yet high tech. The way the screen swivels to transition from landscape mode (where it looks like a tiny laptop) to portrait mode (where it looks more like a "normal" PDA) is not entirely new but it is so beautifully implemented that it really gives you the best of both worlds. Even though my hands are turning it, I imagine the sound of well-oiled machinery each time I re-orient the screen.

    After calming down enough to turn the device on, the next shock is the quality of the 640x480 display. It's stunning. The OS and applications respond quickly and smoothly. The device does not crash or freeze. My co-workers stand and stare in awed silence. As the effect propagates out from midtown Manhattan, taxi drivers

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  8. Re:Yes that's nice ... by Blasphemy · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is not entirely accurate...

    Windows in the only _suported_ sync platform, but scripts (perl) exist to sync with evolution (and others). The format is open, so anyone who wants to write an app for Linux syncing is free to do so.

    KOrganizer also runs on the Zaurus, so a sync app for it's data should be trivial.

  9. Hard to get in the US by dagnabit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Too bad Sharp decided not to sell these devices here in the US. The only way to get them now is from Dynamism or The Kompany.

    But I saw one my local Sharp rep had and they are nice!

  10. You can get these in the US now..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    theKompany.com now carries these in the US. They're importing them. Here they are

  11. How to get one by Blasphemy · · Score: 5, Informative


    Dynamism sounds like a good company, but if anybody wants to save $100 (and forgo the free shipping if something goes bad) you can get your Zaurus from conics.net. Check the forums for recommendations and localization instructions.

  12. Re:Yes that's nice ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're too late buddy. "Does it run Linux" is so 2002. The current buzz-question is "does it support Ogg Vorbis?".

  13. Re:Yes that's nice ... by ubikkibu · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have a 5500, and all that was necessary was for me to download the GPL QTopia Desktop from Trolltech, rpm -> deb, dpkg install, then click Sync All. Worked on Linux and Windows.

    I also found a driver for Mac OS X that did the ethernet-over-usb thing well enough to let me ssh into it and scp all my Documents to the Mac. Then I put in an 802.11 card--now any of my computers can backup the Zaurus via scp, and the Linux and Windows boxes can also sync via QTopia Desktop.

    So...unless Sharp broke something, this should really say "Sharp supports only their Windows sync software," but several solutions are available for Linux, none of which should scare the ./ crowd at all.

  14. OpenZaurus by SHEENmaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    OpenZaurus is a much better distribution than the default Sharp one.

    If you can't stand the small screen and keyboard, just attach a dumb terminal and away you go.

    I don't have enough storage on it to recompile the kernel locally, but I am using GCC on it to do a bit of work on a project of mine during class. The keyboard is nothing to ogle over, but it's a hell of a lot better than a virtual one.

    If you want an organizer, pick an old palm up on eBay for a few dollars. If you want a handheld computer, check a zaurus out.

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  15. Bad Apples by IceFox · · Score: 3, Insightful
    An essay I wrote after leaving Sharp that I thought you all might like: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/articles/bad_appl es.php.

    Bad Apples and how commercial companies should utilize Open Source with in-house development.

    Open Source software is for most a new and unknown idea whose time has finally come. Many managers who have never even heard of Linux are finding themselves attempting to integrate it into their in-house development. They hear all of the wonderful benefits of utilizing Open Source software and want to be part of that. Unfortunately too often the projects fail for what seems unknown reasons. The majority of the time the problem stems from the false idea that Free Software means no cost across the board. Projects are done on a shoestring budget and the idea of interacting with the community is forgotten. The community is a large asset at the companies disposal that should not be ignored. A successful Open Source project within a company must incorporate developers within the community into the project.

    John Macintosh owned an apple tree farm. The vast majority of his apples were shipped out by the ton to a company that made apple cider. After seeing a local farm open its fields to those who wanted to hand pick their own apples with fantastic success he decided to do it also. The margin for selling hand picked apples is much better then selling apples by the ton so why not give it a shot he thought. Come the next spring he put out a sign by the road stating that anyone could hand pick apples. As the summer wore on he found a few customers stopping by, but due to the infrequency he mostly found them to be an annoyance and considered stopping the program all together. Near the end of the August he had a friend over whom also ran an apple farm. The topic turned to John's field and the his lack of customers. His friend quickly pointed out a number of problems that John had overlooked:

    • Customers were given little help when picking the apples. Basics such as ladders, apple grabbers, and bags or crates were not provided.
    • There was no one officially hired at the farm to deal with customers. John who was often busy with other things made the customers feel as though they were not his top priority (it doesn't matter if they really were or not).
    • Getting customers to know about his farm was nothing more then a sign down near his driveway. Because of the success of other farms he incorrectly assumed that this is all he would have to do.

    Each one of these were a problem that in the end hurt John's apple farm.

    Of course John Macintosh and his farm doesn't exist, but if you replace him with a manager and apples with Open Source you suddenly have an interesting situation. Most all business managers when presented with the apple story know the list of problems even before it was listed, but when talking about Open Source they go tripping all over themselves asking why didn't it work? The problem is mostly a lack of knowledge about how Open Source works. They hear about Open Source and Free Software and think that is exactly what it is, something that they can take for free and with very minimal effort get Open Source developers to help. Half of the reason for using Open Source software is to utilize the community, letting them help in improving and developing the software. Managers hear about the army of programmer just working away on code in their free time. They then incorrectly assume that this army of free programmers are just waiting for them to start their project. Managers often times think that very little to no effort will be needed to utilize the community.

    Customers were given little help when picking the apples. Basics such as ladders, apple grabbers, and bags or crates were not provided.

    Developers want to work on Open Source software, your Open Source software! There is no ex

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  16. Wanted to get a Zaurus C760 very much . . . by Yeechang+Lee · · Score: 3, Interesting
    . . . and even placed an order with an overseas vendor. What stopped me?

    • The horrible PIM software. I've used three Palm devices since early 1997, and have been able to easily move my calendar and addressbook data from one device to another. In effect, I have a comprehensive record of my life over the past six years in electronic form. I know I could quite easily beam or otherwise transfer the data to the Zaurus, but what good would it do if the PIM software is too clunky to do anything useful? [1]
    • Lack of Sharp support outside Japan. I don't mean in terms of warranty per se. I mean in terms of things like the non-release of the C700/C750/C760 outside Japan, the recent discontinuation of all Zaurus sales in Europe, rumors that "only three" Sharp US employees are now working on the Zaurus, etc.
    • Size. I know the C760 is just a little larger than my Sony Clie N610C, but even a little bit makes a big difference when you're talking about your pants pockets.


    Thus, I've 95% decided on getting the forthcoming Sony Clie UX50. Smaller than my current Clie and with built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, while the Zaurus comes with no wireless built in and even the Socket model, generally agreed the best and smallest Wi-Fi CF card, would stick out a little bit from the case. Why only 95%? Because of the two big flaws in my mind with the UX50 (the tiny physical size of the screen, and the lack of portrait mode), and because the C760's manifold virtues may yet suck me into its embraces.

    [1] One thing I've thought about is using Jpilot, which I happily use to sync my Clie to my Linux box, on the C760. Anyone else do this?
  17. Powerpc 405lp by rshimizu12 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Zarus is a good pda but the processor to much of a power hog. Hopefully Sharp will start using the IBM 405lp. Personally I think IBM will sign a agreement to implement the 405lp with Sharp. IBM is well positioned to do a OEM agreement with Sharp.