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Camera Watch: Links to Public Webcams

Mikkeles writes "From an Associated Press story: 'It sounds like a chapter out of "Spy vs. Spy": Researchers at Carnegie Mellon University have launched a project called Camera Watch that lists Internet cameras that monitor public spaces, letting Web surfers try the role of bored security guard.' The site permits searching for an available webcam in the geographical region (US) of your choice. About 600 webcams of 6000 in the pipe are now available."

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  1. a great congestion reduction tool by civilengineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if we have a lot of these at movie theaters, airport queues, and wherever else there might be congestion, people can adjust their travel behavior accordingly.

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    1. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Politburo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the surface, yes. But your nick says "civil engineer". Surely you are familiar with the concept of peak period demand.

      For most infrastructure that we build, it goes unused for much of the time. There is a small percentage of time where the infrastructure is pushed to the limits. For transportation, this is rush hour, for power grids, it's hot summer days, for movie theatres, it's premiere night, etc.

      Usually, it is extremely difficult to abate peak period effects. They do not exist because that is when everyone "wants" to go somewhere or do something, they exist because that is the only time most people can use, or need to use, the resource in question. Most employers frown if you come in at 6 am, or 11 am, and if you leave at 3 pm, or 8 pm. You don't need a ton of juice to power your A/C when it's nighttime.

    2. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by EZmagz · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Interesting you should say that. The Minnesota Dept. Of Transportation (MnDOT) has links to all of their cameras on the highway over here...
      For me at least, since I get the pleasure of driving across the metro everyday going to and from work, it can be a godsend. There's a saying around here that's pretty fitting: There's two seasons in MN...winter, and road construction. It's definitely convenient to be able to check from my laptop here at work and see what the roads are like before I head home and fight the other 9 million bad drivers.

      Of course it's not foolproof, as they'll always be accidents that aren't on camera. If nothing else though, it makes for fun viewing when you're bored out of your mind on a Friday afternoon.

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    3. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Politburo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Management, of course.

      The thing is, a lot of business that goes on requires the services of another business. If I show up to work at 6 am, and a colleague at another company, or even a coworker, shows up at 11 am, that is 5 hours of my work day where I do not have access to their knowledge and/or decision making power. Likewise, if I leave at 3 pm, there may be workers who work later who then are shut out from me. By attempting to have everyone in and out at around the same time, you maximize the time that everyone is in the office together, theoretically maximizing the productivity of your office.

    4. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Phroggy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is why matinee tickets are cheaper.

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  2. No.... by CGP314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    sounds like a chapter out of "Spy vs. Spy"

    Sounds more like 1984 to me.

    1. Re:No.... by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, in 1984 they had camera's in people's homes. These are camera's in public areas, where you do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

      There are gray areas of course - what about camera's aimed up women's skirts in public spaces, or public restrooms, or camera's that can view into a private backyard...

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    2. Re:No.... by WegianWarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds more like 1984 to me.

      Wrong, on two things. Firstly, this isn't "big brother" watching you.. if anything, it's "little brother". Secondly, it's not in your home, but in public areas. You did know that people could see you in public, didn't you?

      I can't see why people get worked up over the fact that there are webcams in public places. The moment you leave your home someone is likely to see you - and if you plan on doing things you would rather that no one saw, you should have done them before you went out. If anything, cameras in public places can be a good thing - in downtown Oslo (thats in Norway) they placed a couple of cameras in one most popular parks for junkies, and look and behold; even thought the junkies still hang out there (everyone has to be somewhere I guess), they don't harass the other people walking by no more.

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    3. Re:No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just read the damn book. That is all I ask of people who say something is like 1984. Read the book. 1984 is starting to become like Nazi in dicussions. I think it is thrown out at least once in every discussion.

      What's even worse is that the mods obviously haven't read the book either. I would love to do a poll of slashdot to see how many people have actually read the book in the last few years.

    4. Re:No.... by CGP314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have read the book many times. It would not be difficult for a system like this to be automated... for example with the horrendous facial recognition software we have been reading about in the past few days.

    5. Re:No.... by Wiseazz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The 1984 reference is old and tired, guys.

      These are public web cams in public places. What difference is there between this and going to the park, sitting on a bench, and people-watching? People enjoy watching other people - it's interesting. I understand that in this case, people may not know they're being watched. But if you're out in public, you should assume *someone* can see what you're doing. By definition.

      Get over it and enjoy the show. Now, when government mandated cameras start showing up in peoples' homes, then you can start screaming 1984 and I'll be happy to join in.

      I'm off to enjoy my "college co-ed shower cam" subscription. You kids play nice.

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  3. In other news...... by losttoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ....they were slashdotted within seconds. But seriously, how would you handle a DoS on a network of webcams? Anything over the internet is reliable enough for security monitoring given attacks like DoS/DDoS?

  4. Shouldn't it be the other way around? by CGP314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The site -- http://privacy.cs.cmu.edu/dataprivacy/projects/cam watch -- notes that a few of the "jail cams" had been disabled due to lawsuits.

    We don't want to let you see what happens in a jail. We do want to keep an eye on you so we can more easily put you in one.

    1. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by TekProphet · · Score: 0, Insightful

      What's this fascination with coddling dangerous criminals? We can't see what goes on in jails, but as soon as I step outside my home, it's possible for anyone to watch my every move?

      I guess it fits since they get cable and other amenities that a college student can only wish for (or steal).

    2. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I guess it fits since they get cable and other amenities that a college student can only wish for (or steal).

      It always interests me how people who've never spent time in a jail or penitentiary have such a firm idea of how easy life is there.

      btw, it's impossible to "steal" cable. You can secure unauthorised access to the signal it carries, though.

    3. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by Politburo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What amenities do they get that college students do not? As a college student, I had access to: broadband internet, cable tv, massive libraries, computer labs (with specialized equipment), athletic facilites (including pool), all you can eat dining... the list can go on, and it also includes freedom to do what I want, when I want, and the right to vote. I severely doubt that the quality of life in prison is anywhere near that of a college student.

    4. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by CGP314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you think that most of the 2x10^6 people in prison are there because they are 'dangerous criminals' you are very, very wrong. More than half are there for drug offences.

  5. Oscillation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, it would cause oscillation behaviour.

    If all people look at the line and it's full, nobody goes there and now it's empty, so everyone goes there. Repeat as many times as desired.

    This is why no routing algorithm takes in account queue length.

  6. Slashdot as tool of evil genius? by bopo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Perhaps the submitter and his evil minions were planning a countrywide crime spree and needed a sure-fire way of bring all those cameras down?

    What? I'm bored, leave me alone.

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  7. If they can be monitored... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...

    One of the reasons I was told that a webcam may not go over well at the college I work at is the question of "If it can be monitored, is there an obligation to monitor it?"

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  8. Re:Also lets terrorists.... by pmz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a cybercafe or from the hills of Afghanistan!!!

    Well, the convenience of this shouldn't be ignored. What are the security implications of this, when intelligence gathering doesn't require an on-site visit?

  9. Public service webcams... by fuqqer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not so sure I care about public webcams. I'd like to see webcams focused on our public sector. Services like Police, Fire, City, State, and Fed. employees should be monitored at random. Screw letting the government watch us, let's watch them!
    If the govt. is so ancy to be watchdogs of the private citizens in our world, we should have the opportunity to be watchdogs for these organizations at our whim.
    I think that civil rights violations would go down. Police are crooked wannabe thugs anyway. Tax money would be spent more efficiently. Govt. employees are lazy.
    The unfortunate downside of this is that we have CSPAN in the US and our politicians are still crooked punks trying to sneak crappy laws by us everyday.

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  10. Re:Transparent Society by tarranp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You bring up some good points, however I feel they are minor drawbacks.

    For example, in the case of the businessman concerned that his people want to unionize. If he really wants to see where his people go, h can now hire a prvate investigator. In fact, he's much more likely to hire the investigator than to sit around watching the webcam since he's got other things to do with his itme.

    Similarly concerning stalking: A stalker sitting at home who never interacts with the stalkee does not matter, since the stalkee does not knwo that they even exist.

    The stalker who uses the web to gather personal info and then decides to pay a visit on the other hand, is a problem. However, the camera is a two edged sword. If the stalker harasses the stalkee in a public place, then one has a record that can be given to the police. If, on the other hand, the stalker is using the webcam to provide him with intelligence and is going to take action outside of camera view, that's a different matter. Again, I must point out that the stalker can currently follow his victim around. The webcam might make his job a little easier, but the lack thereof does not prevent him from stalking his victims.

    None of the concerns I have seen raised have suggested thatbeing watched is in and of itself the problem. Every problem scenario requires the watcher to use the information he has gleaned to harm those he is watching. The webcams aren't a problem in and of themselves. They may make cetain illegal actions easier to do, but so does the telephone. So does freenet.

    There is nothing wrong with sticking a camera in a public place. The question s, do you want the police to be the only ones watching them, or do you want everyone to have access to the same information.