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Camera Watch: Links to Public Webcams

Mikkeles writes "From an Associated Press story: 'It sounds like a chapter out of "Spy vs. Spy": Researchers at Carnegie Mellon University have launched a project called Camera Watch that lists Internet cameras that monitor public spaces, letting Web surfers try the role of bored security guard.' The site permits searching for an available webcam in the geographical region (US) of your choice. About 600 webcams of 6000 in the pipe are now available."

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  1. a great congestion reduction tool by civilengineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if we have a lot of these at movie theaters, airport queues, and wherever else there might be congestion, people can adjust their travel behavior accordingly.

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    1. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Politburo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the surface, yes. But your nick says "civil engineer". Surely you are familiar with the concept of peak period demand.

      For most infrastructure that we build, it goes unused for much of the time. There is a small percentage of time where the infrastructure is pushed to the limits. For transportation, this is rush hour, for power grids, it's hot summer days, for movie theatres, it's premiere night, etc.

      Usually, it is extremely difficult to abate peak period effects. They do not exist because that is when everyone "wants" to go somewhere or do something, they exist because that is the only time most people can use, or need to use, the resource in question. Most employers frown if you come in at 6 am, or 11 am, and if you leave at 3 pm, or 8 pm. You don't need a ton of juice to power your A/C when it's nighttime.

    2. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by EZmagz · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Interesting you should say that. The Minnesota Dept. Of Transportation (MnDOT) has links to all of their cameras on the highway over here...
      For me at least, since I get the pleasure of driving across the metro everyday going to and from work, it can be a godsend. There's a saying around here that's pretty fitting: There's two seasons in MN...winter, and road construction. It's definitely convenient to be able to check from my laptop here at work and see what the roads are like before I head home and fight the other 9 million bad drivers.

      Of course it's not foolproof, as they'll always be accidents that aren't on camera. If nothing else though, it makes for fun viewing when you're bored out of your mind on a Friday afternoon.

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    3. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by pmz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      wherever else there might be congestion, people can adjust their travel behavior accordingly.

      Agreed. However, a camera need not have 1600x1200 resolution or whatever for this purpose. A TV-quality camera (at best) would be sufficient to discern that cars are bumper to bumper on the highway.

    4. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Politburo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Management, of course.

      The thing is, a lot of business that goes on requires the services of another business. If I show up to work at 6 am, and a colleague at another company, or even a coworker, shows up at 11 am, that is 5 hours of my work day where I do not have access to their knowledge and/or decision making power. Likewise, if I leave at 3 pm, there may be workers who work later who then are shut out from me. By attempting to have everyone in and out at around the same time, you maximize the time that everyone is in the office together, theoretically maximizing the productivity of your office.

    5. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by AJWM · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually that Denver area system goes back to a CDOT initiative five or six years ago. Traffic speed sensors in the highways will trip an alarm if the average speed goes out of range (adjustable to allow for known factors) and a traffic engineer can bring up a view on one of the nearby cameras. There are a bunch of other inputs (including weather sensors, etc) and outputs (the changeable text signs over some of the highways, low power AM broadcast systems near the Eisenhower Tunnel, Vail Pass, etc...).

      I worked on some of the overall software design and some of the implementation back in '98.

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    6. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by Politburo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Off the top of my head, I would say your claims are greatly exaggerated. For the record, I live in the NY/NJ Metro Area, and while we do rank lower on traffic studies due to having perhaps the best region-wide transit systems in the nation, there is still plenty of traffic to go around. The PM peak period in this area is approximately 3:30 pm - 7:30 pm.

    7. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by gmenhorn · · Score: 2, Informative

      We've had traffic cameras in Atlanta for a couple years now. Comes in handy once in a while for deciding the best route from/to work: Traffic Cams. The link was ./ed so hopefully this isn't already mentioned, but I would like to see some type of geographic view of the cameras locations. You could zoom in on an area and click on a camera icon and you would get a stream from that camera.

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    8. Re:a great congestion reduction tool by crusty_architect · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Working as an architect for a V Large ISP it has been interesting to watch the "peak hour" for email go from 1-2 hours at night (1997) to a flat-line peak period of 8 hours from 9am to 5pm. We have always designed and built for peaks, now the peak is *all day*.

  2. No.... by CGP314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    sounds like a chapter out of "Spy vs. Spy"

    Sounds more like 1984 to me.

    1. Re:No.... by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, in 1984 they had camera's in people's homes. These are camera's in public areas, where you do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

      There are gray areas of course - what about camera's aimed up women's skirts in public spaces, or public restrooms, or camera's that can view into a private backyard...

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    2. Re:No.... by WegianWarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds more like 1984 to me.

      Wrong, on two things. Firstly, this isn't "big brother" watching you.. if anything, it's "little brother". Secondly, it's not in your home, but in public areas. You did know that people could see you in public, didn't you?

      I can't see why people get worked up over the fact that there are webcams in public places. The moment you leave your home someone is likely to see you - and if you plan on doing things you would rather that no one saw, you should have done them before you went out. If anything, cameras in public places can be a good thing - in downtown Oslo (thats in Norway) they placed a couple of cameras in one most popular parks for junkies, and look and behold; even thought the junkies still hang out there (everyone has to be somewhere I guess), they don't harass the other people walking by no more.

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    3. Re:No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just read the damn book. That is all I ask of people who say something is like 1984. Read the book. 1984 is starting to become like Nazi in dicussions. I think it is thrown out at least once in every discussion.

      What's even worse is that the mods obviously haven't read the book either. I would love to do a poll of slashdot to see how many people have actually read the book in the last few years.

    4. Re:No.... by CGP314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have read the book many times. It would not be difficult for a system like this to be automated... for example with the horrendous facial recognition software we have been reading about in the past few days.

    5. Re:No.... by Wiseazz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The 1984 reference is old and tired, guys.

      These are public web cams in public places. What difference is there between this and going to the park, sitting on a bench, and people-watching? People enjoy watching other people - it's interesting. I understand that in this case, people may not know they're being watched. But if you're out in public, you should assume *someone* can see what you're doing. By definition.

      Get over it and enjoy the show. Now, when government mandated cameras start showing up in peoples' homes, then you can start screaming 1984 and I'll be happy to join in.

      I'm off to enjoy my "college co-ed shower cam" subscription. You kids play nice.

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  3. I go here... by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 4, Informative

    I like to use the World View of Live Webcams to get my voyeuristic fix. It's kept fairly up to date, and has hundreds of cams.

  4. In other news...... by losttoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ....they were slashdotted within seconds. But seriously, how would you handle a DoS on a network of webcams? Anything over the internet is reliable enough for security monitoring given attacks like DoS/DDoS?

  5. /.'ed in under a minute by vt0asta · · Score: 2, Funny

    pfft. that was quick.

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  6. Shouldn't it be the other way around? by CGP314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The site -- http://privacy.cs.cmu.edu/dataprivacy/projects/cam watch -- notes that a few of the "jail cams" had been disabled due to lawsuits.

    We don't want to let you see what happens in a jail. We do want to keep an eye on you so we can more easily put you in one.

    1. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by Politburo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What amenities do they get that college students do not? As a college student, I had access to: broadband internet, cable tv, massive libraries, computer labs (with specialized equipment), athletic facilites (including pool), all you can eat dining... the list can go on, and it also includes freedom to do what I want, when I want, and the right to vote. I severely doubt that the quality of life in prison is anywhere near that of a college student.

    2. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by CGP314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you think that most of the 2x10^6 people in prison are there because they are 'dangerous criminals' you are very, very wrong. More than half are there for drug offences.

    3. Re:Shouldn't it be the other way around? by sjames · · Score: 2, Interesting

      IIRC, the suits are over cameras for arrest bookings, and are based on the following:

      Jail cameras are acceptable because criminals lose some rights such as an expectation of privacy, voting in a federal election, etc

      The people on these cameras are to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, therfore they have not given up those rights and should not be held up to public humilliation.

      I notice that I hear a lot more about booking cameras than those in the jails. Perhaps that's because the decision makers know they'd be sued into oblivion or put on the other side of the bars if the public knew how the prison officials behaved.

  7. Reminds me of a story by slycer9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...on http://www.e-sheep.com

    Look at the story called 'spiders', the one about al quaida.

    (Forgive me, it's early, haven't had coffee...not EVEN gonna try a link...so just cut n' paste).

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  8. Heck with that by Avatar_LHo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't want to see the US, give me a cam in the red light district in over in Amsterdam that pans.

  9. Next reality show by BillLeeLee · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think Fox is gonna license the camera footage as a new reality tv series "World's most exciting random camera footage."

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    1. Re:Next reality show by RevMike · · Score: 4, Funny
      I heard about that. I think it comes on right after "When Animals Attack Buildings Collapsing on Police Chases."

      Every time I see that Simpson's episode from the future, I wait for Marge to say "Fox moved to soft core porn so gradually, no one even noticed." That always cracks me up.

  10. 6 Comments, site is gone by Christianfreak · · Score: 3, Funny

    We interupt this program to bring you a special announcement.

    Users from the hacker website 'slashdot.org' today attacked an brought down the nation's super-duper internet monitoring system. Hacker's by the name of 'Hemos' and 'CmdrTaco' are said to be in FBI custody ... Film at 11.

  11. False alarms? by EvilOpie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder how they'll police this? Honestly, I think it's a good idea in theory, like especially when dealing with troublesome intersections that cause frequent accidents. Having the public watch the cams and call in accidents as soon as they happen could be a *very* good thing. But the problem is that you'd need someone to police the people viewing the cams to make sure that if they acted on what they saw (or think they saw) that it was a real and legitimate problem.

    Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding the article. I guess that at first read through, "the role of bored security guard" makes it sound like you'll watch the cameras instead of the guards, but I guess that you could be watching them in addition to the guards/security that normally view them.

    But if THAT is the case, then I guess this brings up the question, is this then just for entertainment value? You know it's a sad but true fact of life that if people saw something bad that happened, they'd just be like "oh, that sucks" or laugh or whatever, and then go on with life just being glad that it wasn't them.

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    1. Re:False alarms? by PostItNote · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > I wonder how they'll police this?

      "they" won't police anything. But it does mean that privacy, instead of being only for cops, is for nobody. Thus, it gives interested citizens a chance to "watch the watchmen". You'll note that the link for the story goes to PRIVACY.cmu.edu.

      I view this technology as a democratization of the surveillance cameras that are ubiquitous in large areas. With this, anyone can get the data from the original source - no waiting for the police to release it, no FOX-ification. So why would you want to *police* this? Nobody is required to do anything based on what they see, it just gives people the ability to see in the first place.

  12. Project Statement: by SteakandcheeseUm · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Camera Watch project is part of our Surveillance of Surveillances ( SOS) effort. We are constructing a repository of links to publicly available on-line webcams, where the webcams of interest are those that observe the public in public spaces. At present, we estimate there are about 10,000 such cameras displaying public places in the United States. Our goals are to assess the number and nature of such cameras, explore potential uses, and analyze and propose related policies and best practices.
    Our database is just being launched. The current edition of the database has only a few hundred direct links to cameras with about 6,000 links currently queued for processing. We expect to have these included in the database over the next weeks.

    You can search the database for a camera or submit a link to a camera for inclusion in the database.


    Wow, 6,000 camera links queued for processing. They should write a bot to check the links for up-time-ness and verification.

  13. I use the traffic webcams daily by Shiifty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have 2 routes I can take to work. If my normal route, the fast highway is clogged up because of an accident or bad weather, I can take the normally somewhat slower alternate route. Gotta love technology.

    Whats funny is when there is an accident, the operators zoom in with the cameras so you can see the damage up close LOL

  14. Re:Slashdotted - here's the text by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Better to have everyone watching than to have the shadowy few watching... we might even feel better about ourselves and be a little easier on each other once we find out everyone else is just as fucked up as we are.

    This is what TIA and Carnivore should be, if they are to be allowed to exist at all...

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  15. Oooh -- Internet Security Guard by Hayzeus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can I yell "You Kids! No running in the goddam mall" remotely?

  16. Also lets terrorists.... by losttoy · · Score: 4, Funny

    .... watch public places sitting in a cybercafe or from the hills of Afghanistan!!!

    1. Re:Also lets terrorists.... by pmz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a cybercafe or from the hills of Afghanistan!!!

      Well, the convenience of this shouldn't be ignored. What are the security implications of this, when intelligence gathering doesn't require an on-site visit?

  17. .. it's like... by sporty · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's like millions of cams were used at once, and then suddenly silenced... by slashdot.

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  18. Existing city webcam project by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 5, Informative
    If this interests you, also check out CincyStreet.com. They have an index with dozens and dozens of cameras from many different US cities.

    I discovered this a short while ago myself, and was surprised to find one within just half a mile of my own home, just off a street on my regular commute. I come within a hair's breadth of appearing on camera every morning, and I never knew it.

    I keep a couple locations on shortcuts, and sometimes I check out the sunrise in other states over my morning coffee.

  19. We need one more camera... by H0NGK0NGPH00EY · · Score: 4, Funny

    Too bad there isn't a webcam on their server, so we could all watch it go up in smoke live.

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  20. Oscillation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, it would cause oscillation behaviour.

    If all people look at the line and it's full, nobody goes there and now it's empty, so everyone goes there. Repeat as many times as desired.

    This is why no routing algorithm takes in account queue length.

  21. Yowsa! My server is on fire! by tomzyk · · Score: 2, Funny

    About 600 webcams of 6000 in the pipe are now available.
    And, of course now that this has been announced on Slashdot, within the next half-hour, there might be only 10% of those 600 that survived the /. effect.

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  22. Transparent Society by tarranp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is not a bad thing. David Brin actually discusses this in depth in his book Transparent Society."

    A person watching the camera is no different than a person standing on the street corner watching people go by. Well there si a difference: the person watching on the web is a witness wwho cannot be intimidated into silence, and nobody knows if they are being watched in that public space.

    I don't fear the loss of privacy, because there is no privacy in public spaces. I do like the idea that any would be wrongdoer does not know whether he is being watched or not.

    1. Re:Transparent Society by esme · · Score: 2, Interesting
      privacy is not the real issue here -- as you say, there is no privacy in public.

      but our behavior in public, particulary in big cities, is generally anonymous. i have lived in big cities most of my life and have run into people out in public only a few times -- and only at places where we were both frequent visitors (grocery store, popular restaurant, etc.). in general, you almost never see anyone you know.

      the transparent society would end the anonymity of our public behavior, and this has huge consequences.

      with our current anonymity, we are not typically held accountable for our actions that are offensive, but fall short of breaking laws. cutting people off, being rude to waitresses, etc. are all very antisocial behaviors that are common in big cities because it's never anyone you know who you're trampling on. with a transparent society, your friends/family/boss/etc. could be watching you, so you become more accountable for this kind of behavior.

      the other side of this is that it would become a lot easier to stalk people (either privately or as part of a government plot). and removing the anonymity of public behavior would have a huge impact on many political activities. for example, if you run a business and are trying to prevent your workers from organizing a union, your job gets a lot easier if you could see who your employees are meeting with after hours. of course, all the travel to meet with union organizers would be public, but it would be anonymous.

      so it's all well and good to say that it's only public behavior so it's not a privacy issue. but in fact, there are a lot of issues surrounding privacy that are impacted by the existence of a police-state aparatus.

      -esme

    2. Re:Transparent Society by krysith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is a significant difference if the camera is hidden. When I see someone else on my street corner, I know that I am being watched. It makes me less likely to A) commit a crime B) talk to myself C) have sex with my girlfriend on the steps or D) pick my nose.

      I think that having hidden cameras in a public space is not an illegal thing, but certainly a rude one. The middle of a field in a national forest is certainly a public place, but there is an expectation of privacy if no one is there.

    3. Re:Transparent Society by tarranp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You bring up some good points, however I feel they are minor drawbacks.

      For example, in the case of the businessman concerned that his people want to unionize. If he really wants to see where his people go, h can now hire a prvate investigator. In fact, he's much more likely to hire the investigator than to sit around watching the webcam since he's got other things to do with his itme.

      Similarly concerning stalking: A stalker sitting at home who never interacts with the stalkee does not matter, since the stalkee does not knwo that they even exist.

      The stalker who uses the web to gather personal info and then decides to pay a visit on the other hand, is a problem. However, the camera is a two edged sword. If the stalker harasses the stalkee in a public place, then one has a record that can be given to the police. If, on the other hand, the stalker is using the webcam to provide him with intelligence and is going to take action outside of camera view, that's a different matter. Again, I must point out that the stalker can currently follow his victim around. The webcam might make his job a little easier, but the lack thereof does not prevent him from stalking his victims.

      None of the concerns I have seen raised have suggested thatbeing watched is in and of itself the problem. Every problem scenario requires the watcher to use the information he has gleaned to harm those he is watching. The webcams aren't a problem in and of themselves. They may make cetain illegal actions easier to do, but so does the telephone. So does freenet.

      There is nothing wrong with sticking a camera in a public place. The question s, do you want the police to be the only ones watching them, or do you want everyone to have access to the same information.

  23. Slashdot as tool of evil genius? by bopo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Perhaps the submitter and his evil minions were planning a countrywide crime spree and needed a sure-fire way of bring all those cameras down?

    What? I'm bored, leave me alone.

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  24. If they can be monitored... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...

    One of the reasons I was told that a webcam may not go over well at the college I work at is the question of "If it can be monitored, is there an obligation to monitor it?"

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  25. Be on the lookout for a blurry individual... by migstradamus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Security guard? Maybe a collectively blind one. Ten thousand people looking at the same blurry, 10fps image isn't very helpful, at least not for identifying people. Most public cams are so lo-res and slow that unless we can get the crooks to move in slow motion and put their faces to the lens for a seconds, it's going to be limited to "hey, there's someone there, wearing something red, I think. Or maybe it's an Irish Setter, or a tomato."

    As usual then, it's all about the bandwidth. High-res cameras with 30fps minimum, swivel and zoom controls, and why not toss in sound? Then maybe you've got something. That something would still be a privacy catastrophe, but at least it would be a crisp, interactive privacy catastrophe.

  26. Darn by r_j_prahad · · Score: 2, Funny

    % grep "women\'s dorm" camwatch.htm
    %


    Darn.

  27. Public service webcams... by fuqqer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not so sure I care about public webcams. I'd like to see webcams focused on our public sector. Services like Police, Fire, City, State, and Fed. employees should be monitored at random. Screw letting the government watch us, let's watch them!
    If the govt. is so ancy to be watchdogs of the private citizens in our world, we should have the opportunity to be watchdogs for these organizations at our whim.
    I think that civil rights violations would go down. Police are crooked wannabe thugs anyway. Tax money would be spent more efficiently. Govt. employees are lazy.
    The unfortunate downside of this is that we have CSPAN in the US and our politicians are still crooked punks trying to sneak crappy laws by us everyday.

    I wish my sig link were broken so I had an excuse to manually craft a sig everytime...

  28. Useful but not always entertaining by Tacoguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think this fits cause a store is a privately owned place with public access. I recently installed a system with 4 panning cameras in an antique store that was having very bad shoplifting problems. There is a monitor in plain view of people entering as well as tape recording and streaming via a web server. The shoplifting instantly stopped. Motion detectors autodial the 2 owners via wireless cell at night in case of a break in and they can instantly view activity inside the store via the Web. A UPS powers the system (including illumination) in case of electrical failure. Not entertaining but very useful. And a way cool project :-)

  29. Dead Site Soon by Atryn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This sounds like a perfect example of a site you would expect to be filled with dead links in about 8 months. This is espescially so as it is coming from a university and is therefore likely tied to some sort of research grant which will eventually run out leaving nobody paid to maintain the database....

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  30. Secure communications by lateralus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So here is my idea:

    Could one collect the information streaming from these cameras and use it as a source for random number generation? Over a large number of Webcams the rate of information change must be huge. At any given point you could also single out darkened cams and use their CCD noise too. Doesn't sound too difficult to do (for someone else, someone with brains that is). How would this compare to typing randomly and jiggling my mouse as a source of random numbers?

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  31. CCTV in the UK by garyok · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live in Glasgow and we have CCTV cameras throughout the city centre (and quite a bit beyond), checking on us all the time and making us think harder about behaving nicely. If I could see what the folks monitoring the systems could see, I'd be a lot happier about the surveillance.

    Making all the CCTVs in a city centre webcams is the answer to "Who watches the watchers?" We do. If the naughty guard is zooming in on the booty shots or looking in folks windows we can check the time, report it directly, and get them the disciplining they need. It'd be a balance to the one-sided oppressive feeling the current systems engender. I wouldn't need any sort of control over where they were pointed, just being able to check out (whenever I felt like it) what they were watching would be good enough for me.

    It'd bring folks back to the city centre here, too. When they realise how boring it is these days. And they can see the lack of anything happening from the comfort of their desk.

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  32. 10 points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    if you catch people kissing
    20 if they're both gals