'Sharp business is cheating and not getting caught.'
If I can beg a little impartiality from the Slashdot editors, must every story include a dig at me or my company?
Re:Oh, for the love of...
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Tony-A
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Only as long as you're still alive.
Re:Oh, for the love of...
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HardCase
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But seriously, folks, business has ALWAYS been about this. That's the way capitalism is set up... you cut out your competitors through any means possible.
That's not capitalism. It's dirty business. And what Cringely calls "sharp business" isn't sharp business, it's sharp dealing. Sharp dealing, the way my grandfather used to use the term...as in, "He's a sharp dealer." It's not a nice thing to say about somebody.
Capitalism means that if you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door (grossly simplified, I know). It does not mean that it's open season on your competitors to do whatever you can to get them out of the market. What Cringely described in the first half of his article may not have been legal, but don't confuse it with capitalism. It was dirty business, nothing more, nothing less.
And usually I hold what Cringely says at arm's length, but his second to the last paragraph, the one about innovation is, at least to me, right on the mark. I almost can't stand the word anymore.
-h-
Re:Oh, for the love of...
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Illbay
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That's not capitalism. It's dirty business.
You nailed it.
"Capitalism" has always been about "beating" the other fellow under the Marquis of Queensbury Rules.
You "beat" him by being better than he, by serving your customers better, by getting your product to market faster, by doing what it takes within the bounds of good sportsmanship.
It's the kind of thing where at the end of the day, your competitor looks at you, KNOWS you've "beaten" him, and grudgingly tips his cap to you.
Instead, today we have people cutting each others entrails out to feed to the sharks. At the end of THIS day, you look at the one who has beaten you, and wonder if you know someone who knows someone who can put out a hit contract on the guy's firstborn son.
We are living in a "post-Christian" society, and this is the result. Ego is god.
-- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
"Capitalism" has always been about "beating" the other fellow under the Marquis of Queensbury Rules.
You "beat" him by being better than he, by serving your customers better, by getting your product to market faster, by doing what it takes within the bounds of good sportsmanship.
Since when did good sportsmanship enter into the equation? If anything, capitalism has ALWAYS been about beating others at ANY COST. As a matter of fact, society was FAR WORSE 100 or 150 years ago than now. I don't know where you came up with the notion that capitalism somehow has morality or ethics built-in. Even Adam Smith (considered to be the "founder" of capitalism) remarked how business owners are very sleazy and ruthless.
We are living in a "post-Christian" society, and this is the result.
Society was far worse under the Christian "leadership" than now...
Sivaram Velauthapillai
-- Sivaram Velauthapillai
Seeking the meaning of life... @slashdot of all places;)
Re:Oh, for the love of...
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hankaholic
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We are living in a "post-Christian" society, and this is the result. Ego is god.
Why do you assume that morals cannot exist without religion?
You assume that without fear of eternal damnation, people will do whatever they want and knowingly act in immoral ways.
I prefer the view that if people realize that moral behaviour really is best for the good of society, they will opt to act responsibly.
People don't want to feel as though they're hurting society -- otherwise, why would people often justify crime by downplaying the impact to others? People justify stealing music by saying that the artist really wouldn't have gained much from the sale of the album, or extortion by saying that ripping off a company is different than ripping off another person.
Religion "works" by making people afraid to act because they fear damnation. Having a sense of morality allows one to realize that their actions can and do affect society, and prepares one to "do the right thing" because they care for the good of their culture and society.
A sense of morality also doesn't depend on the belief that some mythical guy in the clouds cares what goes on down here.
-- Somebody get that guy an ambulance!
Re:Oh, for the love of...
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Illbay
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Why do you assume that morals cannot exist without religion?
I don't "assume" anything. This isn't the first time in history that men have turned to worshipping the works of their own hands, and the results are always the same.
You assume that without fear of eternal damnation, people will do whatever they want and knowingly act in immoral ways.
Now it is YOU who are assuming. I said nothing about "eternal damnation." When you believe there is a higher power, a cause greater than yourself, when you turn yourself outward and realize that "do unto others" is beneficial to yourself as well as the other, civilization works.
When you worship yourself, your own intellect, the works of your hands, your lucre, your "perfect" body, etc., you have no time for anyone and anything that might distract from it, and they are fodder for your ego.
Human nature never changes, and just because we live in a hyper-technological society that allows nearly everyone freedom to indulge in self-worship--including worship of their own intellect--does not change basic human nature.
-- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
Re:Oh, for the love of...
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linzeal
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Oh please, the ghost in the machine argument is fucking ridiculous in this day and age. Human nature changes albeit slowly, but metaphysical justifications have no claim of exclusivity to explain moral behavior toward others if they can be used to explain anything! At least by studying cognitive psychology, and other observable human social dynamics in context of their evolutionary (selected-for) origins we can come to conclusions that are not equal to finding faith in the plentitude of ignorance beyond what science can know.
Watch this lecture by Steven Pinker on Human Nature (vs): The blank slate, noble savage and the ghost in the machine. It is like 1 and a half hours and is hosted by MIT.
Yes, Microsoft is an innovator and I don't think that is good.
I'd have to disagree that microsoft is an innovator. What has microsoft done?
1. Created the first OS? Far from it. Not much of an innovation.
2. Created the first GUI? Also not true, the Apple Lisa was the first true GUI.
3. Created easy PnP? Definitley not right, OS/2, Amiga, Linux, and a slew of other OS's had PnP support. And to be fair, Windows 95 wasn't really Plug'n'Play.
Microsoft's innovations are limited to trying something someone else does, and hoping it works.
From the article, immediately before your excerpt:
Innovators have wiggle room. They can steal ideas, for example, and pawn them off as their own. That's the intersection of innovation and sharp business.
Hmmm, steal someone else's ideas and pawn them off as original. Sounds like Microsoft to me!
If you read the article you will see that the guy wrote that Microsoft did not INVENT any of these things. They were invented by others. That's why MSFT is not an INVENTOR but rather INNOVOVATOR and the author concluded it was not good.
I think you and Cringeley are making the same point. M$ has just repackaged and changed these ideas in a way they can profit from but which doesn't necessarily add much value. Cringeley is suggesting that had they created the first operating system it would have been an "invention", rather than an "innovation", which he regards as smaller and generally less worthwhile/reputable. Semantics, I know, but I think the two of you are coming from the same place on this one.
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"'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel.'" - JRR Tolkien.
It was the first company to put *all* of those in the same operating system. To be fair, Linux hasn't even got a GUI half as nice as Windows. Fair enough, the later redhats have good PnP, but earlier versions were a nightmare.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-linux (on the contrary). I just think we need to admit linux's shortcomings and do something about them, instead of defending the obvious flaws as happens so much. Otherwise, microsoft's market share won't be dented.
"Yes, Microsoft is an innovator and I don't think that is good. I'd have to disagree that microsoft is an innovator. What has microsoft done? 1. Created the first OS? Far from it. Not much of an innovation. 2. Created the first GUI? Also not true, the Apple Lisa was the first true GUI. 3. Created easy PnP? Definitley not right, OS/2, Amiga, Linux, and a slew of other OS's had PnP support. And to be fair, Windows 95 wasn't really Plug'n'Play. Microsoft's innovations are limited to trying something someone else does, and hoping it works. "
As damning as this sounds, Microsoft's success totally eclipsed everybody else they 'stole' from. Either these companies have all had a nasty run of bad luck, or Microsoft put everything together into something the market wanted. Whatever your take is on it, the market wanted Microsoft provided. Learn to live with it.
Also not true, the Apple Lisa was the first true GUI.
The first GUI was developed in 1979 at Xerox's Palo Alto lab, unless I'm mistaken.
Steve Jobs traded something like one million US$ for a tour of the labs where he first encountered the "Alto", a prototype machine with a graphical interface. This is what led to the Apple Lisa, which was released in 1983 or 1984, if memory serves.
"I think you and Cringeley are making the same point. M$ has just repackaged and changed these ideas in a way they can profit from but which doesn't necessarily add much value."
If that were true, Windows 95 would have been long forgotten in 1996. Obviously there was some value there. Otherwise, we'd all be using Macs.
I understand that, at the time Clippy emerged, he was the only development that had its origins in Microsoft Research, something which they were mighty embarrassed by (and which was not really their fault).
"If it's as simple as that, then how come the original didn't enjoy success? How did MS edge ahead?"
Let it go dude. He's going to bring up the example where Microsoft ripped off some company and was inexplicably popular though the product was inferior. You'll counter with an example of where Microsoft borrowed an idea and actually made it useful to people unlike the company who introduced it. The problem is that Microsoft has released soooooo many products over the years that niether of you will settle on what your view of MS is. At that point, it'll boil down to your own experiences with their various products and biases.
Long story short, niether of you will arrive at an agreement. Microsoft simply has a track record of doing numerous good and bad things. People who hate Microsoft remember Windows 95, people who don't hate Microsoft (note: they don't necessarily have to like them) will remember Windows 2000.
I beg to differ. Xerox had several things that were "true" GUIs before Apple started down that path. In fact, it's well documented that Apple decided to develop a GUI inteface after being given a demonstration at Xerox PARC (in exchange for Apple stock). Apple licensed Smalltalk-80 (which was GUI-based) and had it running on 68000-based hardware well before the Lisa's native OS and GUI. Apple's port of Smalltalk-80 was never released as a product, though a version ported to the Macintosh OS was released to developers through APDA.
It's not a lock, as such. More like an electric fence; you/can/ cross it, if you want to, but it's going to be unpleasant and while the grass might be greener on the other side it's still just about edible over here.
There are problems with ditching Windows: while OOo etc. make it fairly easy to ditch Office these days it's harder to ditch Outlook if your customer insists on your having an MS Exchange server to sync business appointments etc., and although it can probably be done with a minimum of Windows machines and everything else running codeweavers plugins to Evolution it's just so much less hassle to keep running Windows. (There isn't actually much economic sense in ditching it as it's so difficult to get bare metal PCs in the first place: businesses have already paid the Microsoft tax.)
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"'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel.'" - JRR Tolkien.
Fair enough, the later redhats have good PnP, but earlier versions were a nightmare.
The first version of Linux I ever ran, and actually the first version of Linux released commercially on CD-ROM was Yggdrasil, which billed itself as 'Plug and Play Linux.'
I booted it up in late 1993 on my 486 computer, which had a Sound Blaster Pro sound card and a 1x CD-ROM drive that plugged into the Sound Blaster pro card.
It played a complex melody (an.au file) at the login prompt, when you booted it to the CD-ROM based system image.
That was plug and play. As 'plug and play' as anything from Microsoft at the time.
2. Created the first GUI? Also not true, the Apple Lisa was the first true GUI.
Depends on your use of the term 'true.' The pioneering GUI development that preceeded the Lisa was significant. The first prototype 'mouse' was developed in the middle of the 1960's, for goodness sake.
And the Lisa was a dismal failure in the market. I remember about 1990 when they sat mute in used computer shops and we could say in wonderment 'ten thousand bucks.'
The IBM 5100 was only about ten grand, and it was a hell of a machine for that money, a half a decade before the Lisa. (not GUI-wise, of course)
It's not just the few like Enron that get onto the front pages, it's all the other businesses that it never quite seems to be worth anyone's while to bust (but damn well should be!) There are several extremely obvious examples in IT (cough*MS*cough*SCO*cough), to the extent that reading/. or any of the techy press it's hard not to see most of the industry as riddled with corruption, and I'm sure the same is true in other areas of business.
The thing is, I bet there are a lot of cases where one or two bad guys not necessarily right at the top can turn a whole company crooked (or at least semi-crooked) just because everyone else is too apathetic - or frightened - to shop them.
Of course, when the crooks really are at the top then it really sucks.
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"'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel.'" - JRR Tolkien.
The thing is, I bet there are a lot of cases where one or two bad guys not necessarily right at the top can turn a whole company crooked (or at least semi-crooked) just because everyone else is too apathetic - or frightened - to shop them.
Ignorant. Too ignorant or oblivious to even notice they are being screwed until it is too late.
The case that Cringley describes, the founder of the Corp got ousted through boardroom manuevering. Do you think he would have seen that coming in a million years? If you incorporated your little company, and owned 80% of the common stock, would you have realized how vulnerable you were to being screwed by the company lawyer? Would you have realized that you could be shut out of the company -- and deprived of all profit -- through a procedural ploy?
And if the founder of the corp didn't figure it out, despite having to deal with these jackals regularly, how would anyone else below him in the organization figure it out? Hell, the person he hired to counsel him on this sort of thing was the person who turned out to be working for the enemy.
The sorts of things Cringley is talking about happen at the top of a company's food chain. There are simply fewer people in that pool, and that means bugs in the policies and procedures are less likely to be noticed. Effectively the company was legally 0nz3rd. The company he described got the corporation-equivalent of rooted, though a vulnerability in the terms of incorporation.
-- -*- Any technology indistinguishable from magic is
insufficiently advanced -*-
Innovation vs. Invention
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aacool
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And how is it different from what we might have said before? I think the word they are replacing is "invention." Bill Shockley invented the transistor, Gordon Moore and Bob Noyce invented the integrated circuit, Ted Hof invented the microprocessor.(Cringley's article)
Most inventions were based on some innovation or the other - the IC was an innovative usage of the transistor, the microwave an innovative usage of UV, etc.
As Newton opined "If I have seen further, it is because I was standing on the shoulders of giants" I've created/invented software that I'm proud of and others might term innovation - what's so wrong with innovation anyway?
Re:Innovation vs. Invention
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gnuadam
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Microwaves don't use UV. They, uh, use microwaves.:)
-- You say:wq, I say ZZ. Why can't we all just get along?
Re:Innovation vs. Invention
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fasura
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microwave an innovative usage of UV
Call yourself a geek. You don't even know how a microwave works. I bet you use WinXP and use StyleXP to make it look like Linux.
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Be careful what you say. Someone might remind you about it another day.
Re:Innovation vs. Invention
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aacool
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My mistake - in a rush, the microwaves fried my brain:)
Re: Innovation vs. Invention
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King_TJ
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The way I see it, it all comes down to one question... How "absolute" is the statement?
When a person claims to have "invented" something, it's pretty clear cut. The statement says they came up with a new idea and put that idea into practice. I don't think it's very often that you find a claim of an invention that a large number of people feel "uncertain" about.
When Edison claimed he invented the phonograph or the light bulb, it wasn't a matter of personal opinion. It was fact. Those two devices simply weren't around before then.
Innovation is a matter of opinion. One person's "innovative new way of displaying menu options" in software is another person's "terrible GUI design that should never have been attempted".
Is Microsoft innovative? Perhaps so, and perhaps not. It all depends on which side of the proverbial fence you stand on. (If you're one of their programmers and you're watching you own ideas become reality in new software releases, you're probably on the side that says "Yep, we're innovating!") Are they inventive though? Certainly not! You don't have to look far to see how many of their products contain code purchased outright from others. Even the pinball game included with every copy of Windows since '98 was licensed from Maxis.
Really, I don't think many companies are "inventive" at all anymore - and that's one of our problems. These days, there's more interest in litigation than invention - because it has a higher probability of profit/success.
Re:Innovation vs. Invention
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HardCase
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I believe that the point that he was trying to make was that the word "innovation" is becoming a rather tired and misused term. And I agree with that point. Microsoft doesn't "innovate". I don't think that they invent, either. In fact, I think that most companies that make a big deal about how they "innovate" really want to say that they invent cool and important things, but, in fact, really do neither.
At this point, I get cynical about any company that uses the word...it makes me wonder what they're hiding, even if they have nothing to hide.
-h-
MS "innovation"
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doodleboy
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I thought this bit was spot on...
But there is another issue here, one that is hardly ever mentioned and that's the coining of the term "innovation." This word, which was hardly used at all until two or three years ago, feels to me like a propaganda campaign and a successful one at that, dominating discussion in the computer industry. I think Microsoft did this intentionally, for they are the ones who seem to continually use the word. But what does it mean? And how is it different from what we might have said before? I think the word they are replacing is "invention." Bill Shockley invented the transistor, Gordon Moore and Bob Noyce invented the integrated circuit, Ted Hof invented the microprocessor. Of course others claimed to have done those same three things, but the goal was always invention. Only now we innovate, which is deliberately vague but seems to stop somewhere short of invention. Innovators have wiggle room. They can steal ideas, for example, and pawn them off as their own. That's the intersection of innovation and sharp business.
Propaganda is the idea that saying the word makes it true, that it somehow undoes the corporate culture of law-breaking and dirty tricks. But it only works with the uninformed - people who understand the issues and the history know they're full of shit.
Re:MS "innovation"
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DrCode
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I felt the same way about 6 years ago when I started seeing the term "technology" associated with software, as in "Microsoft Technology" or "Wizard Technology".
Re:MS "innovation"
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NanoGator
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"They can steal ideas, for example, and pawn them off as their own."
Steal? Bit harsh, don't you think? An idea's only as good as its implementation. If the original idea needed to be tweaked to have a bigger appeal, then the general populous benefits from that.
I agree that credit should be given where credit is due. However, it's nowhere near as black and white as this article implies. The Newton was around long before Palm Pilot, yet Palm gets the credit for making it mass market. "It is inferior to the Newton!" the zealots cried. But the Palm Pilot had some distinguishing features. It was pocket-sized, it talked to your PC and got relevant info out of it, and it was direct and to the point.
Apple gets some credit for generating the idea, Palm gets the credit for taking it and making it useful. Innovative? I think so.
-- "Derp de derp."
Re:MS "innovation"
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Tony-A
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Propaganda is the idea that saying the word [and repeating it] makes it true. There is also the BIG LIE, which is so preposterous that it leaves your opponents speachless.
innovation. sounds impressive, but: innovation n. Act of introducing something new or novel as in customs, rites, etc. A different color of mouse-pad is innovative. Getting slashes backwards is innovative. Standing when you should be kneeling is innovative. The latest teenage fad is innovative. There is no sense of improvement or invention or skill.
Re:MS "innovation"
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sjames
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Of course, The Newton is predated as well. Rat Shack had the 'Pocket Computer' whose primary fault was that it came out before the state of technology could really support the idea. Prior to that, several Science Fiction writers actually anticipated the real devices by many years. In turn, they realized the possability only because computers in some form existed, so they owe their ideas to the long line of people responsable for that.
Each step along the way was an improvement for the potential end users, but would not likely have happened or could not have happened without the previous step.
For any one of those entities to claim to be solely responsable (and by extension, solely entitled to reap the benefits) is arrogance in the extreme and just plain wrong.
In the case of 'MS Innovation', they often don't improve the idea at all. The changes they do make are primarily to eliminate interoperability and weld the product to Windows. 100% strategic marketing 0% invention. In many of those cases, MS initially negotiated with the real inventors and innovators just long enough to pump them for information and keep them busy while they secretly copied the idea in total.
You'll notice, for example, that when they aded 'doublespace', they certainly didn't talk much about stacker (who sued them). When they bolted multitasking onto DOS, there was certainly no mention of Desqview (which was vastly superior). Theyt actively denied that Windows was a knock-off of MacOS even though it was pretty obvious.
That's generally a pretty good clue by the way. Someone who has invented or truly innovated will tend to speak highly of those who went before them and speak freely about the fact that they built upon the work of others. In general, the MS Innovator (or practisor of 'sharp business') will try to convince you that they invented it themselves in a vacuum or at least will make no mention of others unless pressed.
Nothing New
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Mrs.+Grundy
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Sharp business is cheating and not getting caught.
No. Sharp business is 'cheating' while following the letter of the law. What he is describing is 'Sharp Criminal Conduct' which some business people and many politicians engage in. When the politicians engage in 'Sharp Criminal Conduct' they make it easier for those engaging in 'sharp business' to do really foul things without actually breaking any laws. It's a subtle, but important difference and worth remembering next time you vote.
We've gone from following the rules to playing the odds.
And if we do follow the rules and don't play the odds, then we are figured to be suckers.
Speak for yourself. Some of us just keep doing the right thing as best we can, no matter what everyone else is doing. We usually come out better in the long run.
A bit too cynical...
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shri
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Read the article and started to wonder if Cringley was having a bad day. For every business he's mentioned, there are several who are doing well and doing it cleanly.
Companies like Google, Berthshire Hathaway and others come to mind as good counter examples of what Cringley calls "gone from following the rules to playing the odds".
A sligh positive note in that article would have helped. Oh well.. just an observation.
Business Morality (oxymoron?)
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imhotep1
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My father is a very moral man, who taught me early on that winning isn't the point in life. In fact, if "winning" is your only goal, you will never win.
He would tell me stories, like the time he quit his high school water polo team after the coach encouraged his team to elbow the opposing team whenever the ref looked away.
My father's tech company was stolen away from him in the same way as in this artical. He and several friends created a start up, and within a few years, all were shut out of the company, and the investors walked away with the prefered stock.
Companies like Microsoft practice an odd form of amorality and defend it as good business practice. It might be sound business practice, but there is nothing good about it.
Admittedly, in any capitalist society there is a dog-eat-dog quality to business, but is there really the need to specifically crush upstart companies, play fast and loose with public standards to kill competition, and other such underhanded techniques that are only good for your company, but bad for everyone else.
In the end, I think most people who were raised with a firm and grounded set of morals appriciate that there is such a thing as good business practices. I try my best to stay abrest of those companies that follow them and only give them my business. It's hard sometimes, but in the end, it might be the only way some businesses can be made to behave.
My term is 'gaming the system'. When you exploit loopholes and bend rules, you defeat the purpose and intent of a system, thus ensuring that even if you believe the system in theory should work as intended, it won't.
Some people assume if you end up with the desired goal of the system (wealth), than it has served its purpose. In reality, the system was devised not so an individual can become rich, but rather so we have a set of rules in which to facilitate improving our standard of living without resorting to social friction and unfair (subjective, I realize) treatment of others.
All the market tactics, advertising ploys, and accounting/legalese rule bendings seem to weaken the role of merit in capitalism. And I know what constitutes 'merit' is subjective, but I'd rather not give merit to those creative and smart enough to figure out how to bend rules in their favour without being caught.
-- "Old man yells at systemd"
Re:innovation
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SirSlud
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What's happened is that the implementor (Joe Shmoe, lets say) has been confused with the inventor.
Few people invent radically new devices. As the cliche goes, the cell phone was invented in 1954, and yet putting a camera on a cellphone, two existing inventions together is called 'innovation'. Yeah, a cell phone with a camera was something new, but so was the first zipper painted blue! Lots of things are 'new', but only because they are simply the result of the millions of ways of combining all the technology we have. Something *truely* new, not just a recombination of things that have already existed, or an existing technology in a different shape, size, color, etc, comes along far less often than the patent office records or brochure claims of corperations will have you believe.
-- "Old man yells at systemd"
Business is rough, play hard
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Fnkmaster
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I feel bad for the entrepreneur who got screwed in Cringely's story, but you have to always doubt and distrust ANYBODY that is sent your way by your investors. They will almost surely have a conflict of interest. The trick described (emptying a board seat and keeping it empty to enable the lead investor(s) to rule the board without challenge), or just structuring the board so that common-shareholders-be-damned aren't uncommon techniques that venture capitalists use. And all those "outside" managers they want to bring in - here's a hint, these people are often people they go to church with, or whose kids go to daycamp with their kids, or who are on the town council with them.... in short, they are going to scratch each other's backs whenever possible.
My recommendation is to raise money from people who already know or trust to some degree whenever possible, and ALWAYS, I repeat, ALWAYS, worry about control. Control is often times far more important than who has how many shares. Shares can very often end up worthless at the end of life of a business venture, if it is liquidated, or M&Aed away, or basically has any end-game other than an IPO, unless your shares are all on a level basis (this is a nice thing about flat LLC memberships and S Corporations as business entities, though that's certainly not necessary).
Just remember that you have to make sure that all your contracts and legal structure reinforce your power and control, and it's often better to give up some extra equity in exchange for this. Be careful who you trust. And never make yourself unnecessary before you have your exit strategy well on its way to execution.
Re:Business is rough, play hard
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elmegil
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Very good points. And you can just as easily get screwed in business by "friends" who decide the buck is more important than your friendship as you can by the VC vultures and their pods. I'm too cowardly to have even tried to start a business, but a friend of mine could tell some really nasty stories about the time his "friends" tried to screw him out of his share of the company (this one had a happy ending, but only after years of legal wrangling).
-- 7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
not really new
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Trepidity
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In the US at least, shady inventors have a long tradition dating back to Thomas Edison, whose patent trickery and idea-stealing is somewhat legendary (he even invented the electric chair to make the competing A/C current look dangerous).
obligatory mockery
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Anonymous Coward
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Now this is a bit ridiculous. Business is a game where the winners turn a profit- which is to say, sell things for more than they are "worth," where "worth" is what these things actually cost to produce. Thus, business is not nice and never has been- hence Jesus with the money-changers, prohibition against usury, Medieval Jewish banking, anti-semitism, Shakespeare, Dickens, Marx, Steinbeck... the list goes on, defining massive areas of history, especially in the Christian world.
Cringely wants no part of that sleaze. He's a geek and a PBS writer instead.
For a while, it looked like people could be geeky and ethical while still turning a profit. This was a temporary illusion caused by a populace that had a religious awe of geeks, caused mostly by FUD, and was willing to overpay even those geeks who didn't really turn the screws. The middle managers who forked over millions of dollars (which THEY had scammed from others) for their own electronic replacements were not making headlines during the late nineties, but there were more of them than there were techie nouveau riche.
So. Every geek, and indeed every human, must ask him or herself whether to try to profit by bringing misfortune to others, or whether to embrace poverty, in the unlikely hopes that that will make the world a better place. I don't have an answer to that for myself, let alone for everybody, but claiming that the sky is falling just because the tech bubble burst months ago is worthy only of ridicule. It is good for anyone, even slashdotters, to be reminded of these Big Questions; but all in all, I think Cringely and most of the rest of this crowd are in way over their heads.
Will Warner geocities.com/wtw0308
Re:obligatory mockery
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Geeks were easily corruptible, as with most people in this era of instant gratification.
I would reccommend reading Dostoevsky's The Idiot for some enlightenment on how the world treats those who act morally and conscientiously in regards to life and business.
Re:obligatory mockery
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profit by bringing misfortune to others, or whether to embrace poverty
This is a white and black simplistic aproach. I see the point you are trying to make though. There's nothing wrong with making a profit, as long as your are not lying, cheating or stealing. Anyone can make a decent buck without crushing people or companies. Now, getting greedy is another thing (a capital sin in christian terms). when does anyone have enough money?.
As a matter of fact one good invention or innovation can bring fortune to many besides the inventor him/herself.
Ah you missed the point innovation invention
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The point of the article was that innovation was a corporate metaphor for playing politics, cheating and stealing, and invention was just invention. He said that Microsoft was an innovator, not an inventor.
-- This is my sig.
Fundamental flaw in collective decision making
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mc6809e
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I maybe stretching things, but I think part of the problem is with collective decision making itself. We tend to think that if everything is done democratically, we'll get the best results. So when a company is divided up amoung shareholders, as long as they get to vote, or have representatives to vote for them, we expect things to work out fine.
Unfortunately, it's been proven, under a few resonable assumptions, that there exists no fair voting system. This was proven by the economist Kenneth Arrow who won the Nobel prize for his work. A short discussion is here.
So what ever system of democratic decision-making you might create, it has fundamental weaknesses that are exploitable by the unscrupulous.
The only way to stay out of trouble is to find other ways of raising capital.
There's something missing from Cringley's tale
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Cringley builds the foundation of his entire article on a person who got screwed and was left with nothing. Yet, there is no attribution. It would seem to me this is a person who would want light shone on his plight and the evil doers who did him in.
By not providing attribution, Cringley deprives us of getting both sides of the story. That's why many news organizations frown on anonymous sources except when absolutely necessary.
I realized a long time ago that no one I ever knew who was involved in a car accident was at fault. Like here, I only got one side of the story.
Have I made my point?
It isn't fun
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Business isn't fun for inventors and creative people because it is impossible for a creative person to bring an idea to production within a bureaucracy.
This is because we allow office politics to completely absorb every single moment of every single day in "corporate" businesses.
There is absolutely no concern for a quality product or a truthful discussion of the right and wrong ways to build something in the cubicles. It's who can fuck who over so they can keep their job while simultaneously destroying someone else's career. It's who can point out the most failures. It's who can foster the most suspicion and doubt about their colleagues' competency that succeeds in the never-ending schedule of meetings.
And nobody ever talks about it. Nobody ever squarely points out the enormous amount of time and money that is wasted, man-hour to man-hour, by people building spectacular layers of redundancy to cover every possible and several impossible failure possibilities while attempting to answer the unanswerable questions posed by middle management.
These are the same people by the way, who insist on everyone being a "team player." Of course, that only applies when these people are the quarterback, not the left tackle.
Want to know where the largest source of waste in business is today? This is it: office politics. People working against each other instead of working as part of a team which actively encourages people to grow and succeed. It's a disgrace and it shouldn't be allowed to continue.
-- Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
Coup de Jarnac
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"But sharp business is something different, it is playing the game of business so close to the boundary of good faith and legality that it is hard to tell where that boundary is or if there even is such a boundary. "
This is also sometimes refered to as a Coup de Jarnac. Jarnac won a dual against Francois de Vivonne in 1547. Jarnac got to pick the weapon, and instead of one, he picked several fo that Francois wouldn't know which one. Jarnac also knew that Francois was famous for a particular move when he fought that would expose his hamstring. So, Jarnac just played the dual to a draw until Francois exposed himself, and then he cut his hamstrings and Francois bled to death.
While technically within the rules, it was considered dirty, and hense Coup de Jarnac is a term that can be used to describe this.
Re:Sick of Cringely
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Txiasaeia
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I don't know about you, but I read/. for the discussions, not the articles. If a bad article inspires great discussion, who cares about the article?
(-1, offtopic)
-- Condemnant quod non intellegunt.
If you actually do something, you're nothing.
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This is the modern buisiness environment.
If you're a programmer, engineer, or even a doctor, you're just worker. You don't matter except as an "overhead" figure.
The people that do matter don't actually produce anything, the lawyers and the CEO's, they try to see how little they can pay the "overhead" while still meeting various buisiness benchmarks(production, PE ratios, etc). Then they give the lionshare of profit to... themselves.
They enroll employee's in HMO's that are cheap so they can give that money as bonus to themselves for increasing the company's profits. They play fast and loose with the company savings funds and give themselves a share of that for being "innovative". Even if it bankrupts the saving fund. The bonus still stands.
More and more the american worker is just dirt that's tilled for whatever it can produce. And it's given the same consideration as dirt. Buisiness leaders paint Unions as greedy for wanting raises that keep pace with inflation, health care benefits that can be actually used, and decent working conditions. All while these same leaders tear the buisiness apart trying to squeeze everything they can personally take from it.(how many times do we see the CEO that led a company into Chapter 11 getting million dollar bonuses or golden parachutes as a reward for their sterling effort)
And they've made the laws and rules dealing with buisiness so convoluted that only someone who's never learned ANYTHING but buisiness can hope not to be screwed. There's nothing corporations love more than screwing over the neophyte who thinks just because they created something they should make money from it. (this story, Spiderman the movie, Forrest Gump)
Why does this happen? Because big buisiness makes all the rules, if the rules say they can't win, they have them changed. Or they just ignore them and "settle" if it goes bad, with a mandatory non-disclosure agreement of course.
MPAA, RIAA are on a war against illegal profitless file trading. Why is it illegal? Because they had the laws changed to MAKE it illegal. We sit through sanctimonius ads about "doing the right thing" and respecting the artists, the actors, and the industry workers. While at the same time those corporations "settle without admitting wrong doing" illegal price fixing on music CD's, and they're telling the creator of Spiderman and the writor of Forrest Gump that the movies didn't make a profit so they, the creators, get NOTHING.
But they insist everyone else be ethical about respecting IP laws that THEY wrote.
Wake up suckers
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This is how America works these days! It's not about whether or not it's legal, it's whether or not someone will press charges/sue/etc. EULA is oppressive, rude, annoying, and possibly illegal? That doesnt matter until it gets to court. DMCA is bad and unconstitutional? Even though lawmakers know this, it still has to be proven in court.
I worked for a debt collection company for a while. They would threaten and harass and threaten more, but they would never take a case to court unless 1) the person had reasonable credit, 2) they had an income, and (this is the big one) 3) the debt had to be over $3000! There was a little flexibility there, but basically if you owe $2000 and don't pay it, all you have to do is wait seven years.
Obviously that example is pretty specific, but "barely legal" tactics are everywhere. I would guess that it's even worse in big companies... But cheating is a way of life. You may not be cheating, but you are probably being cheated by someone somewhere!
Yeah, a cell phone with a camera was something new, but so was the first zipper painted blue!
Dr Seuss, is that you?!
-- Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
Good thing there was only one..
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... because I don't think I would have clicked on an article called "The Innovator's Balls".
Sharp business practices.
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I actually e-mailed bob about this article. My big question was, Can sharp business practices and actual innovation co-exist in the same place, at the same time? This time, Bob Cringely was actually kind enough to respond. Below is the actual unedited text of the message I recieved.
It all comes down to what you consider to be the reason the company is in business. Is it to benefit the owners, the managers, the employees, the customers, or the community in which the business resides? While there can be more than one reason, one of those reasons must be larger than the others.
Public companies are supposed to benefit their owners though we've seen a lot of stockholders burned lately by companies where the managers seemed to come out on top. Great companies are supposed to put customers first, but will they do so at the expense of profits? And community, whether it means my town, my country, or the environment, is usually last of all.
Word. And Edison improved upon the incandescent lightbulb originally (maybe not the first either) developed by Thomson (iirc), but who could not get a long lifespan out of each bulb.
Marconi did not invent radio transmission either. There were several other who used it long before he did, including Nikola Tesla (amazing guy, got screwed over by lots of people. Go read "The Man Who Invented the Twentieth Century-Robert Lomas, Headline" ISBN#0-7472-7588-2 ). Marconi simply had the best press conference.
-- He Schutze, He Scores!
Payment for volatility
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Animats
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We have a real problem, and it's that the laws governing business have changed drastically in the last two decades. Few people follow things like the Private Securies Litigation Reform Act and the holding periods for restricted stock, but those things really matter. Here's why.
One real problem is rewarding executives for volatility, rather than profits. We need long holding periods on insider stock, maybe five years.
That way, if you do a startup, you don't get to cash out for five years, by which time it's clear whether the profits are real. The holding period used to be two years; it was changed to six months in the mid-1990s. Look what happened.
Pay for volatility encourages dumb merger and acquisition activity. Most mergers turn out to be a long-term lose for the stockholders, but a short-term win for management. Management needs to be on the hook for long-term losses.
Executive pay should be set by the stockholders. Each stockholder puts on their proxy how much the CEO's total compensation should be, and the share-weighted median is used. Executive pay is up by a factor of several hundred since the 1950s, even after inflation adjustment. Third-rate CEOs of money-losing companies are making multimillion dollar salaries. Executive pay decisions should pass through the ultimate owners, who are typically people with money in pension funds.
Those two changes alone would cut out considerable dumb financial activity.
Don't forget Microsoft Bob!
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Remember Bob? Nobody else does either. Even that wasn't invented there, really.
Amusingly enough, Mrs. Bill Gates was the Project Manager (PM) on that one.
Been there, had that done to me
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I have been similarly disadvantaged by the "sharp" practices of so-called "businessmen".
Back in 1999, I "was" 7am News, a web business that effectively established the viability of syndicating content on the Net.
I had to fight for my success along the way, fending off attempts by "big" old-school publishers who claimed that syndicating their headlines and links to their sites was a breach of copyright and who didn't understand the difference between republishing and hypertext linking.
After starting the venture in 1997, and investing 18 hours a day, 7 days a week for nearly three years, I'd built the business up to the point where 7am.com's server was dishing out the news over two million times a day and Nielsens/NetRatings ranked it ahead of the BBC's news website, Fox News, Wired.com and even Playboy.com:-)
By 2000, 7am.com was delivering its news content through a nework of nearly a quarter-million third-party websites and was valued at US$20m-US40m (wasn't everything in those days though?).
Back in 1998 I was offered $1 million for the business by a US-based company but chose not to sell because they wanted to simply strip it for inclusion into their own product.
By 1999 I was still working 18/7 but had the help of two part-time writers who were also producing news and the service had racked up an impressive record for breaking news on the web. (Believe it or not, 7am.com was actually the first website in the world to carry the pictures beamed back from the surface of Mars by the Pathfinder mission).
Anyway, I was eventually promised the earth by a group of investors who assured me that they were not interested in simply asset-stripping the business, but were actually planning to grow it in a way that would ensure it continued to be innovative and maintain its lead in the field of syndicated news content and independent reporting.
My goal was not to become a "get rich quick" dot-com millionaire (I knew that would be a "fad") but to set myself up with a good shareholding in a company with long-term profitability.
Well do I look stupid now?
I still have around 30% of the shares in 7am.com but through some very clever "manipulation" by the investors, and a total lack of vision and willingness to accept good advice, that shareholding is effectively worthless.
Not only did they not invest in the continued growth of the company, they also hired another company (in which they had a shareholding) to provide consulting and other services which were never delivered (but they were paid for).
It appears very much to me as if 7am.com became a company that was used to raise a bundle of cash that could then be shifted into another company that was really their darling-child. The conflict of interest wasn't disclosed until after the contracts were signed and the money paid.
What's worse, they completely ignored my advice in respect to how the company should be changing and growing to maintain its dominance of the market it had created.
As a result, 7am.com, which was once the world's most widely syndicated web-based news sercice, is now a no-name website that no longer even features on the Web rankings.
Its news content is no longer fresh, exciting and different. Its offerings are tired and old, there's no innovation, no energy, no value left.
Because it's been run into the ground, the investors have lent the company huge sums of money by way of "convertible notes."
This means that if the do manage to sell the company as a going-concern, they can convert those loans into shares and thus effectively dilute my shares to near-nothing. If however, they sell the company's assets, then they simply use the money to repay the notes (plus interest) -- effectively leaving nothing for the shareholders but an empty shell.
Whatever happens, it's not so much the loss of money and long-term income that hurts, it's the fact that a really terrific ser
Tech & business - and software vs. hardware
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ReyTFox
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Cringely leaves things hanging in his article; it's mostly a rant about "oh no, big tech companies become evil for their own survival." Lots of companies in lots of industries become evil for their own survival. It's known as part of an "economic moat" - once you're the leader, you want to stay ahead forever, so you do whatever you can to acheave that goal.
Depending on your business, the answer may or may not involve crushing your rivals. A company like Johnson & Johnson, with most of its revenue coming from drug patents(in addition to the other diverse health care needs like shampoo and whatnot), is going to stay ahead by getting new patents through R&D. A company like Wal-Mart, on the other hand, cannot win on the quality of its retail operations alone, since there will always be specialized businesses that can beat the "superstore" concept for price, quality, or service in any one area. So it runs the competition out of town by losing money on a store for some time, and then enjoys the advantages of monopoly by overpricing and using the money to continue its expansion.
So why is tech a business where the most successful companies have to work like Wal-Mart?
In tech, unlike with pharmecuticals, the comparative lack of patenting makes it extremely difficult to maintain the moat. In effect, anything new quickly turns into a "commodity item," especially with software ideas. And products are hard to sell to consumers through the qualities of efficency, stability or security. This encourages almost all software for the end-user to be fairly bloated and unwieldy, because the alterative is to let the competition have more features and look better. And in turn, everyone has to re-invent the wheel for their own product; very wasteful and costly. This encourages evil strategies.
This is also why open-source has had great success - the amount of specialized training and materials needed for a software project to succeed is quite small; one talented programmer and his computer will often do. In addition, successive projects build on the old ones, so even if people on/. keep saying that all that's being done is a great game of catch-up with Microsoft, it is becoming a visible possibility that MS will be caught-up with.
In turn, it may happen that the business of software will actually shrink, replacing the old closed-source model with an open-source one. Development funding and jobs would then come from service-oriented enterprises and public entities, instead of companies solely focused on having the dominant product in their field.
In other tech industries it's slightly less clear, since they tend to deal with projects requiring a fairly large materials and infrastructure investment. They do not face the problem of easily being challenged by an small upstart. Thus their business strategy is likely to be less dirty and more benefical in a social sense. Their major problem is not one of retaining a dominant product that can be revised - it is of bringing out a new dominant product with each new business cycle. Since their competition usually can't be seen until it clobbers them at retail, dirty tactics are much harder to enact. For example, 3d cards - each generation has brought a slightly different competitive mix, with winners of one cycle suddenly disappearing in the next, though recently it seems to have settled between ATI and Nvidia.
Cringely had his name taken (legally) by Infoworld. Their "Robert X. Cringely (R) Infoworld" column is a mark of shame on their publications. I refuse to subscribe, visit their website or link their articles.
If I were Cringely, I'd be pretty pissed at the world too.
-- "A worthy cause has never been harmed by the truth" - Gandhi
bing! "realism" is bullshit.
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Propaganda is the idea that saying the word makes it true, that it somehow undoes the corporate culture of law-breaking and dirty tricks. But it only works with the uninformed - people who understand the issues and the history know they're full of shit.
This is very true, believing something does not make it true, ignoring it does not make it go away, and fighting is never futile. If only Cringerly had the guts to fight for his convictions we'd be better off. Cringerly is wrong when he proclaims:
My readers,... are many of them still debating in their minds whether software can even be patented. Whether it can be patented or not, in the U.S., it IS patented, and expecting that some contrary decision will be shortly made and the planets rearranged in space is just folly. This is the difference between cynicism and realism.
How bizzare for Cringerly to understand how M$ works and then recomend resignation. Software is pantented because asswipe companies like M$ made enough people believe that it was good. The only way to reverse this is to continue to understand and tell other why it's bad. How can someone understand that patent and copyright abuse are the means by which inventors are screwed by "innovators" or "sharp business", and not fight such abuse? Propaganda can and is defeated by reality. Understanding that something is wrong and not speaking out or acting is not "realism" or "cynicism" it's cowardice. Shame on you, Mr. Cringerly, for understanding the problem, anouncing it, resigning yourself to suffer and recomending for others to do the same. Knowledge, conviction and an audience have the power to change.
When laws are bad and permit immoral beahvior, people suffer regardless of how happy you tell them they are. Reasonable laws leave people free to act as they will, so long as they don't harm others. Unreasonable laws block the actions of others for the benefit of a few who seek such "protection". Restrictions are something people understand and feel, even when the activity restricted is something they don't ordinarily do.
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Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
That's actually a common Russian saying.
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Second_Derivative
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"Nye poyman, nye vorr". In English: "Not caught, not a thief". This is pretty much the core principle of Russian 'business' these days. Funny how much we have in common with those communist pigdogs these days isn't it.
If I can beg a little impartiality from the Slashdot editors, must every story include a dig at me or my company?
Yes, Microsoft is an innovator and I don't think that is good. I'd have to disagree that microsoft is an innovator. What has microsoft done? 1. Created the first OS? Far from it. Not much of an innovation. 2. Created the first GUI? Also not true, the Apple Lisa was the first true GUI. 3. Created easy PnP? Definitley not right, OS/2, Amiga, Linux, and a slew of other OS's had PnP support. And to be fair, Windows 95 wasn't really Plug'n'Play. Microsoft's innovations are limited to trying something someone else does, and hoping it works.
And why did you staple the trout to the RAM?
It's not just the few like Enron that get onto the front pages, it's all the other businesses that it never quite seems to be worth anyone's while to bust (but damn well should be!) There are several extremely obvious examples in IT (cough*MS*cough*SCO*cough), to the extent that reading /. or any of the techy press it's hard not to see most of the industry as riddled with corruption, and I'm sure the same is true in other areas of business.
The thing is, I bet there are a lot of cases where one or two bad guys not necessarily right at the top can turn a whole company crooked (or at least semi-crooked) just because everyone else is too apathetic - or frightened - to shop them.
Of course, when the crooks really are at the top then it really sucks.
"'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel.'"
- JRR Tolkien.
Most inventions were based on some innovation or the other - the IC was an innovative usage of the transistor, the microwave an innovative usage of UV, etc.
As Newton opined "If I have seen further, it is because I was standing on the shoulders of giants" I've created/invented software that I'm proud of and others might term innovation - what's so wrong with innovation anyway?
No. Sharp business is 'cheating' while following the letter of the law. What he is describing is 'Sharp Criminal Conduct' which some business people and many politicians engage in. When the politicians engage in 'Sharp Criminal Conduct' they make it easier for those engaging in 'sharp business' to do really foul things without actually breaking any laws. It's a subtle, but important difference and worth remembering next time you vote.
Decent article, but regarding this part:
We've gone from following the rules to playing the odds.
And if we do follow the rules and don't play the odds, then we are figured to be suckers.
Speak for yourself. Some of us just keep doing the right thing as best we can, no matter what everyone else is doing. We usually come out better in the long run.
everything in moderation
Read the article and started to wonder if Cringley was having a bad day. For every business he's mentioned, there are several who are doing well and doing it cleanly.
.. just an observation.
Companies like Google, Berthshire Hathaway and others come to mind as good counter examples of what Cringley calls "gone from following the rules to playing the odds".
A sligh positive note in that article would have helped. Oh well
My father is a very moral man, who taught me early on that winning isn't the point in life. In fact, if "winning" is your only goal, you will never win.
He would tell me stories, like the time he quit his high school water polo team after the coach encouraged his team to elbow the opposing team whenever the ref looked away.
My father's tech company was stolen away from him in the same way as in this artical. He and several friends created a start up, and within a few years, all were shut out of the company, and the investors walked away with the prefered stock.
Companies like Microsoft practice an odd form of amorality and defend it as good business practice. It might be sound business practice, but there is nothing good about it.
Admittedly, in any capitalist society there is a dog-eat-dog quality to business, but is there really the need to specifically crush upstart companies, play fast and loose with public standards to kill competition, and other such underhanded techniques that are only good for your company, but bad for everyone else.
In the end, I think most people who were raised with a firm and grounded set of morals appriciate that there is such a thing as good business practices. I try my best to stay abrest of those companies that follow them and only give them my business. It's hard sometimes, but in the end, it might be the only way some businesses can be made to behave.
My term is 'gaming the system'. When you exploit loopholes and bend rules, you defeat the purpose and intent of a system, thus ensuring that even if you believe the system in theory should work as intended, it won't.
Some people assume if you end up with the desired goal of the system (wealth), than it has served its purpose. In reality, the system was devised not so an individual can become rich, but rather so we have a set of rules in which to facilitate improving our standard of living without resorting to social friction and unfair (subjective, I realize) treatment of others.
All the market tactics, advertising ploys, and accounting/legalese rule bendings seem to weaken the role of merit in capitalism. And I know what constitutes 'merit' is subjective, but I'd rather not give merit to those creative and smart enough to figure out how to bend rules in their favour without being caught.
"Old man yells at systemd"
What's happened is that the implementor (Joe Shmoe, lets say) has been confused with the inventor.
Few people invent radically new devices. As the cliche goes, the cell phone was invented in 1954, and yet putting a camera on a cellphone, two existing inventions together is called 'innovation'. Yeah, a cell phone with a camera was something new, but so was the first zipper painted blue! Lots of things are 'new', but only because they are simply the result of the millions of ways of combining all the technology we have. Something *truely* new, not just a recombination of things that have already existed, or an existing technology in a different shape, size, color, etc, comes along far less often than the patent office records or brochure claims of corperations will have you believe.
"Old man yells at systemd"
My recommendation is to raise money from people who already know or trust to some degree whenever possible, and ALWAYS, I repeat, ALWAYS, worry about control. Control is often times far more important than who has how many shares. Shares can very often end up worthless at the end of life of a business venture, if it is liquidated, or M&Aed away, or basically has any end-game other than an IPO, unless your shares are all on a level basis (this is a nice thing about flat LLC memberships and S Corporations as business entities, though that's certainly not necessary).
Just remember that you have to make sure that all your contracts and legal structure reinforce your power and control, and it's often better to give up some extra equity in exchange for this. Be careful who you trust. And never make yourself unnecessary before you have your exit strategy well on its way to execution.
In the US at least, shady inventors have a long tradition dating back to Thomas Edison, whose patent trickery and idea-stealing is somewhat legendary (he even invented the electric chair to make the competing A/C current look dangerous).
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Now this is a bit ridiculous. Business is a game where the winners turn a profit- which is to say, sell things for more than they are "worth," where "worth" is what these things actually cost to produce. Thus, business is not nice and never has been- hence Jesus with the money-changers, prohibition against usury, Medieval Jewish banking, anti-semitism, Shakespeare, Dickens, Marx, Steinbeck... the list goes on, defining massive areas of history, especially in the Christian world.
Cringely wants no part of that sleaze. He's a geek and a PBS writer instead.
For a while, it looked like people could be geeky and ethical while still turning a profit. This was a temporary illusion caused by a populace that had a religious awe of geeks, caused mostly by FUD, and was willing to overpay even those geeks who didn't really turn the screws. The middle managers who forked over millions of dollars (which THEY had scammed from others) for their own electronic replacements were not making headlines during the late nineties, but there were more of them than there were techie nouveau riche.
So. Every geek, and indeed every human, must ask him or herself whether to try to profit by bringing misfortune to others, or whether to embrace poverty, in the unlikely hopes that that will make the world a better place. I don't have an answer to that for myself, let alone for everybody, but claiming that the sky is falling just because the tech bubble burst months ago is worthy only of ridicule. It is good for anyone, even slashdotters, to be reminded of these Big Questions; but all in all, I think Cringely and most of the rest of this crowd are in way over their heads.
Will Warner geocities.com/wtw0308
The point of the article was that innovation was a corporate metaphor for playing politics, cheating and stealing, and invention was just invention. He said that Microsoft was an innovator, not an inventor.
This is my sig.
I maybe stretching things, but I think part of the problem is with collective decision making itself. We tend to think that if everything is done democratically, we'll get the best results. So when a company is divided up amoung shareholders, as long as they get to vote, or have representatives to vote for them, we expect things to work out fine.
Unfortunately, it's been proven, under a few resonable assumptions, that there exists no fair voting system. This was proven by the economist Kenneth Arrow who won the Nobel prize for his work. A short discussion is here.
So what ever system of democratic decision-making you might create, it has fundamental weaknesses that are exploitable by the unscrupulous.
The only way to stay out of trouble is to find other ways of raising capital.
nothing beats the happy fun ball
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Cringley builds the foundation of his entire article on a person who got screwed and was left with nothing. Yet, there is no attribution. It would seem to me this is a person who would want light shone on his plight and the evil doers who did him in.
By not providing attribution, Cringley deprives us of getting both sides of the story. That's why many news organizations frown on anonymous sources except when absolutely necessary.
I realized a long time ago that no one I ever knew who was involved in a car accident was at fault. Like here, I only got one side of the story.
Have I made my point?
Business isn't fun for inventors and creative people because it is impossible for a creative person to bring an idea to production within a bureaucracy.
This is because we allow office politics to completely absorb every single moment of every single day in "corporate" businesses.
There is absolutely no concern for a quality product or a truthful discussion of the right and wrong ways to build something in the cubicles. It's who can fuck who over so they can keep their job while simultaneously destroying someone else's career. It's who can point out the most failures. It's who can foster the most suspicion and doubt about their colleagues' competency that succeeds in the never-ending schedule of meetings.
And nobody ever talks about it. Nobody ever squarely points out the enormous amount of time and money that is wasted, man-hour to man-hour, by people building spectacular layers of redundancy to cover every possible and several impossible failure possibilities while attempting to answer the unanswerable questions posed by middle management.
These are the same people by the way, who insist on everyone being a "team player." Of course, that only applies when these people are the quarterback, not the left tackle.
Want to know where the largest source of waste in business is today? This is it: office politics. People working against each other instead of working as part of a team which actively encourages people to grow and succeed. It's a disgrace and it shouldn't be allowed to continue.
Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
"But sharp business is something different, it is playing the game of business so close to the boundary of good faith and legality that it is hard to tell where that boundary is or if there even is such a boundary. "
This is also sometimes refered to as a Coup de Jarnac. Jarnac won a dual against Francois de Vivonne in 1547. Jarnac got to pick the weapon, and instead of one, he picked several fo that Francois wouldn't know which one. Jarnac also knew that Francois was famous for a particular move when he fought that would expose his hamstring. So, Jarnac just played the dual to a draw until Francois exposed himself, and then he cut his hamstrings and Francois bled to death.
While technically within the rules, it was considered dirty, and hense Coup de Jarnac is a term that can be used to describe this.
So ends your history lesson for today.
Lawrence Lessig is my personal hero.
I don't know about you, but I read /. for the discussions, not the articles. If a bad article inspires great discussion, who cares about the article?
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Condemnant quod non intellegunt.
This is the modern buisiness environment.
... themselves.
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If you're a programmer, engineer, or even a doctor, you're just worker. You don't matter except as an "overhead" figure.
The people that do matter don't actually produce anything, the lawyers and the CEO's, they try to see how little they can pay the "overhead" while still meeting various buisiness benchmarks(production, PE ratios, etc). Then they give the lionshare of profit to
They enroll employee's in HMO's that are cheap so they can give that money as bonus to themselves for increasing the company's profits
They play fast and loose with the company savings funds and give themselves a share of that for being "innovative".
Even if it bankrupts the saving fund. The bonus still stands.
More and more the american worker is just dirt that's tilled for whatever it can produce. And it's given the same consideration as dirt. Buisiness leaders paint Unions as greedy for wanting raises that keep pace with inflation, health care benefits that can be actually used, and decent working conditions.
All while these same leaders tear the buisiness apart trying to squeeze everything they can personally take from it.(how many times do we see the CEO that led a company into Chapter 11 getting million dollar bonuses or golden parachutes as a reward for their sterling effort)
And they've made the laws and rules dealing with buisiness so convoluted that only someone who's never learned ANYTHING but buisiness can hope not to be screwed. There's nothing corporations love more than screwing over the neophyte who thinks just because they created something they should make money from it. (this story, Spiderman the movie, Forrest Gump)
Why does this happen? Because big buisiness makes all the rules, if the rules say they can't win, they have them changed. Or they just ignore them and "settle" if it goes bad, with a mandatory non-disclosure agreement of course.
MPAA, RIAA are on a war against illegal profitless file trading. Why is it illegal? Because they had the laws changed to MAKE it illegal. We sit through sanctimonius ads about "doing the right thing" and respecting the artists, the actors, and the industry workers.
While at the same time those corporations "settle without admitting wrong doing" illegal price fixing on music CD's, and they're telling the creator of Spiderman and the writor of Forrest Gump that the movies didn't make a profit so they, the creators, get NOTHING.
But they insist everyone else be ethical about respecting IP laws that THEY wrote.
This is how America works these days! It's not about whether or not it's legal, it's whether or not someone will press charges/sue/etc. EULA is oppressive, rude, annoying, and possibly illegal? That doesnt matter until it gets to court. DMCA is bad and unconstitutional? Even though lawmakers know this, it still has to be proven in court.
I worked for a debt collection company for a while. They would threaten and harass and threaten more, but they would never take a case to court unless 1) the person had reasonable credit, 2) they had an income, and (this is the big one) 3) the debt had to be over $3000! There was a little flexibility there, but basically if you owe $2000 and don't pay it, all you have to do is wait seven years.
Obviously that example is pretty specific, but "barely legal" tactics are everywhere. I would guess that it's even worse in big companies... But cheating is a way of life. You may not be cheating, but you are probably being cheated by someone somewhere!
Yeah, a cell phone with a camera was something new, but so was the first zipper painted blue!
Dr Seuss, is that you?!
Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money.
... because I don't think I would have clicked on an article called "The Innovator's Balls".
It all comes down to what you consider to be the reason the company is in
business. Is it to benefit the owners, the managers, the employees, the
customers, or the community in which the business resides? While there can
be more than one reason, one of those reasons must be larger than the
others.
Public companies are supposed to benefit their owners though we've seen a
lot of stockholders burned lately by companies where the managers seemed to
come out on top. Great companies are supposed to put customers first, but
will they do so at the expense of profits? And community, whether it means
my town, my country, or the environment, is usually last of all.
I have no answers, only questions.
All the best,
Bob
This signature has Super Cow Powers
Word. And Edison improved upon the incandescent lightbulb originally (maybe not the first either) developed by Thomson (iirc), but who could not get a long lifespan out of each bulb.
Marconi did not invent radio transmission either. There were several other who used it long before he did, including Nikola Tesla (amazing guy, got screwed over by lots of people. Go read "The Man Who Invented the Twentieth Century-Robert Lomas, Headline" ISBN#0-7472-7588-2 ). Marconi simply had the best press conference.
He Schutze, He Scores!
One real problem is rewarding executives for volatility, rather than profits. We need long holding periods on insider stock, maybe five years. That way, if you do a startup, you don't get to cash out for five years, by which time it's clear whether the profits are real. The holding period used to be two years; it was changed to six months in the mid-1990s. Look what happened.
Pay for volatility encourages dumb merger and acquisition activity. Most mergers turn out to be a long-term lose for the stockholders, but a short-term win for management. Management needs to be on the hook for long-term losses.
Executive pay should be set by the stockholders. Each stockholder puts on their proxy how much the CEO's total compensation should be, and the share-weighted median is used. Executive pay is up by a factor of several hundred since the 1950s, even after inflation adjustment. Third-rate CEOs of money-losing companies are making multimillion dollar salaries. Executive pay decisions should pass through the ultimate owners, who are typically people with money in pension funds.
Those two changes alone would cut out considerable dumb financial activity.
Remember Bob? Nobody else does either. Even that wasn't invented there, really.
Amusingly enough, Mrs. Bill Gates was the Project Manager (PM) on that one.
I have been similarly disadvantaged by the "sharp" practices of so-called "businessmen".
:-)
Back in 1999, I "was" 7am News, a web business that effectively established the viability of syndicating content on the Net.
I had to fight for my success along the way, fending off attempts by "big" old-school publishers who claimed that syndicating their headlines and links to their sites was a breach of copyright and who didn't understand the difference between republishing and hypertext linking.
After starting the venture in 1997, and investing 18 hours a day, 7 days a week for nearly three years, I'd built the business up to the point where 7am.com's server was dishing out the news over two million times a day and Nielsens/NetRatings ranked it ahead of the BBC's news website, Fox News, Wired.com and even Playboy.com
By 2000, 7am.com was delivering its news content through a nework of nearly a quarter-million third-party websites and was valued at US$20m-US40m (wasn't everything in those days though?).
Back in 1998 I was offered $1 million for the business by a US-based company but chose not to sell because they wanted to simply strip it for inclusion into their own product.
By 1999 I was still working 18/7 but had the help of two part-time writers who were also producing news and the service had racked up an impressive record for breaking news on the web. (Believe it or not, 7am.com was actually the first website in the world to carry the pictures beamed back from the surface of Mars by the Pathfinder mission).
Anyway, I was eventually promised the earth by a group of investors who assured me that they were not interested in simply asset-stripping the business, but were actually planning to grow it in a way that would ensure it continued to be innovative and maintain its lead in the field of syndicated news content and independent reporting.
My goal was not to become a "get rich quick" dot-com millionaire (I knew that would be a "fad") but to set myself up with a good shareholding in a company with long-term profitability.
Well do I look stupid now?
I still have around 30% of the shares in 7am.com but through some very clever "manipulation" by the investors, and a total lack of vision and willingness to accept good advice, that shareholding is effectively worthless.
Not only did they not invest in the continued growth of the company, they also hired another company (in which they had a shareholding) to provide consulting and other services which were never delivered (but they were paid for).
It appears very much to me as if 7am.com became a company that was used to raise a bundle of cash that could then be shifted into another company that was really their darling-child. The conflict of interest wasn't disclosed until after the contracts were signed and the money paid.
What's worse, they completely ignored my advice in respect to how the company should be changing and growing to maintain its dominance of the market it had created.
As a result, 7am.com, which was once the world's most widely syndicated web-based news sercice, is now a no-name website that no longer even features on the Web rankings.
Its news content is no longer fresh, exciting and different. Its offerings are tired and old, there's no innovation, no energy, no value left.
Because it's been run into the ground, the investors have lent the company huge sums of money by way of "convertible notes."
This means that if the do manage to sell the company as a going-concern, they can convert those loans into shares and thus effectively dilute my shares to near-nothing. If however, they sell the company's assets, then they simply use the money to repay the notes (plus interest) -- effectively leaving nothing for the shareholders but an empty shell.
Whatever happens, it's not so much the loss of money and long-term income that hurts, it's the fact that a really terrific ser
Cringely leaves things hanging in his article; it's mostly a rant about "oh no, big tech companies become evil for their own survival." Lots of companies in lots of industries become evil for their own survival. It's known as part of an "economic moat" - once you're the leader, you want to stay ahead forever, so you do whatever you can to acheave that goal.
/. keep saying that all that's being done is a great game of catch-up with Microsoft, it is becoming a visible possibility that MS will be caught-up with.
Depending on your business, the answer may or may not involve crushing your rivals. A company like Johnson & Johnson, with most of its revenue coming from drug patents(in addition to the other diverse health care needs like shampoo and whatnot), is going to stay ahead by getting new patents through R&D. A company like Wal-Mart, on the other hand, cannot win on the quality of its retail operations alone, since there will always be specialized businesses that can beat the "superstore" concept for price, quality, or service in any one area. So it runs the competition out of town by losing money on a store for some time, and then enjoys the advantages of monopoly by overpricing and using the money to continue its expansion.
So why is tech a business where the most successful companies have to work like Wal-Mart?
In tech, unlike with pharmecuticals, the comparative lack of patenting makes it extremely difficult to maintain the moat. In effect, anything new quickly turns into a "commodity item," especially with software ideas. And products are hard to sell to consumers through the qualities of efficency, stability or security. This encourages almost all software for the end-user to be fairly bloated and unwieldy, because the alterative is to let the competition have more features and look better. And in turn, everyone has to re-invent the wheel for their own product; very wasteful and costly. This encourages evil strategies.
This is also why open-source has had great success - the amount of specialized training and materials needed for a software project to succeed is quite small; one talented programmer and his computer will often do. In addition, successive projects build on the old ones, so even if people on
In turn, it may happen that the business of software will actually shrink, replacing the old closed-source model with an open-source one. Development funding and jobs would then come from service-oriented enterprises and public entities, instead of companies solely focused on having the dominant product in their field.
In other tech industries it's slightly less clear, since they tend to deal with projects requiring a fairly large materials and infrastructure investment. They do not face the problem of easily being challenged by an small upstart. Thus their business strategy is likely to be less dirty and more benefical in a social sense. Their major problem is not one of retaining a dominant product that can be revised - it is of bringing out a new dominant product with each new business cycle. Since their competition usually can't be seen until it clobbers them at retail, dirty tactics are much harder to enact. For example, 3d cards - each generation has brought a slightly different competitive mix, with winners of one cycle suddenly disappearing in the next, though recently it seems to have settled between ATI and Nvidia.
If I were Cringely, I'd be pretty pissed at the world too.
"A worthy cause has never been harmed by the truth" - Gandhi
This is very true, believing something does not make it true, ignoring it does not make it go away, and fighting is never futile. If only Cringerly had the guts to fight for his convictions we'd be better off. Cringerly is wrong when he proclaims:
My readers, ... are many of them still debating in their minds whether software can even be patented. Whether it can be patented or not, in the U.S., it IS patented, and expecting that some contrary decision will be shortly made and the planets rearranged in space is just folly. This is the difference between cynicism and realism.
How bizzare for Cringerly to understand how M$ works and then recomend resignation. Software is pantented because asswipe companies like M$ made enough people believe that it was good. The only way to reverse this is to continue to understand and tell other why it's bad. How can someone understand that patent and copyright abuse are the means by which inventors are screwed by "innovators" or "sharp business", and not fight such abuse? Propaganda can and is defeated by reality. Understanding that something is wrong and not speaking out or acting is not "realism" or "cynicism" it's cowardice. Shame on you, Mr. Cringerly, for understanding the problem, anouncing it, resigning yourself to suffer and recomending for others to do the same. Knowledge, conviction and an audience have the power to change.
When laws are bad and permit immoral beahvior, people suffer regardless of how happy you tell them they are. Reasonable laws leave people free to act as they will, so long as they don't harm others. Unreasonable laws block the actions of others for the benefit of a few who seek such "protection". Restrictions are something people understand and feel, even when the activity restricted is something they don't ordinarily do.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
"Nye poyman, nye vorr". In English: "Not caught, not a thief". This is pretty much the core principle of Russian 'business' these days. Funny how much we have in common with those communist pigdogs these days isn't it.