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wampl3r writes " Eric Raymond and Bruce Perens deliver a great response to SCO's recent Letter to the Open Source Community. Their response does a good job of presenting many of the finer points we have been arguing about around here, but it's nice to see them in such a formal, well-thought-out letter." Munchola adds "Meanwhile, ComputerWire, from where McBride misquoted Perens in the first place, sets the record straight: 'In his statement McBride appears to have attributed a ComputerWire paraphrase as a quote from Perens.'" stefan points to this response to McBride's letter from Kevin Bedell, LinuxWorld Magazine's Editor. Below, find one reader's idea about the "stolen lines" SCO claims are in the Linux kernel, and one expert's claim that SCO might not know some of its own source code very well.

VikingBrad writes "The Sydney Morning Herald has an article on Dr Warwick Toomey of The Unix Heritage Society claiming that SCO may not know the origin of code in System V, including claims that there is a lot of BSD software in Sys V."

Alex writes "I wondered where the 100k+ lines of copied code in the linux kernel would come from in comparison to the SCO Unixware stuff. Then a thought popped up in my head: what if they just compared linewise? All those empty lines in the code would have the same content. But how many empty lines are in the Linux Kernel Code? This small shell script counts them for you:

emptylines=0; function parse_dir () { for file in $1/*; do if [ -d "$file" ]; then parse_dir $file; else while read line; do if [ "$line" = "" ]; then emptylines=$[$emptylines+1]; echo $emptylines; fi; done

Kernel 2.4.22, yet cleaned of the code which SCO claimed was stolen, has still 733140 empty lines, probably copied and pasted by the bad, bad kernel developers from the good, good SCO guys..."

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  1. fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    fp

  2. sco sco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    lollol sco

  3. Is it Wednesday already? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 0, Troll

    Time for another SCO story!

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    1. Re:Is it Wednesday already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      why troll about this? Why not troll about Wednesday itself! It's all a big troll fest on Wednesday.

      First you have a story about movies. Of course we can feed that troll with LOTR and Matrix2 sucking comments. Hell, feed it Star Wars 2 and 3 comments!

      Second you have a story that talks about wages of people. Everyone is unemployed, poorly employed, or overly joyful about their brainwashed job! Yay for trolls!

      Third you have fucking idiots, like yourself, that feed other trolls (like myself), that like to troll around on troll-feeding frenzy stories like this one.

      Fourth trolls need to be fed. Thought I would mention that.

      Fifth offtopic? What's off-topic on Slashdot? If we can talk about how great the iPod is and the iMac, why can't we talk about how great it is to troll?

      Sixth de Ninth fuck you.

      Thank you and mod me as funny.

  4. Back to SCO: The Movie by AtariAmarok · · Score: -1, Troll

    Well, this one did not get off the ground. Volvo sued Doc Brown because there was Volvo engine technology in the De Lorean. No villain, either: Bill Clinton sued Biff for looking like him. What little was left, the H.G.Wells estate shut down completely.

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  5. ESR and Perens and some slashbot jackass by stratjakt · · Score: -1, Troll

    Opinions are like assholes which are, in turn, like open source advocates.

    Blah blah blah an open letter to blah blah blah blah god we love to hear ourselves talk blah blah blah blah.

    The more these guys pretend to speak on my behalf, the more I like SCO.

    And I'm pretty sure SCO didn't compare empty lines. What a moronic excercise in "we have nothing new to say about SCO today" that was.

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    1. Re:ESR and Perens and some slashbot jackass by tetra103 · · Score: -1, Troll

      Your comment was rather abrasive....but truethful none the less. Although, I've never concidered liking SCO.

      I enjoy open source as much as the next guy, but whenever I read comments from figure heads in the open source community. Mostly ERS and RMS. Just makes me want to keep my distance. I respect these guys with their great intellect, but to hear them speak freely is like listening to a bunch of 12 year olds.

      Darell is a fool. He sounds like an idiot with his bogus claims. And even if SCO's claim have the slightest of merrit, his delivery of the evidence (or lack there of) does him a disservice. So why does the open source community stoop to his childish banter? Yes, I believe the community should respond to SCO's false claims....but do it in a professional manner. Have a lawer draft a letter or someone who can word a clear representation of the open source stance on the issue. Refrain from the childish banter for a responce. Stuff like that gives the whole community a bad name. If corporations start pulling away from open source solutions, I'd say advocates like RMS and ESR are to blaim. Not bogus lawsuits from SCO.

      For the leaders in the open source community, I suggest that you start acting like ones. Use speech writers to conveigh your ideas. Maybe use a few proof readers? SCO accuses the whole open source community and the guys up top respond as individuals. ERS and Perens issue a responce. How many people do you think they consulted with before sending the letter? If the open source community wants to be taken serious by the world, then act a little more professional.

      My own take is that the open source responces read worst then McBrides accusations. The "content" is far more accurate and much more truthful. It's the delivery.

  6. SCO OWNS LINUX! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Get over it.

  7. morons continue challenge vs. corepirate nazis.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    that's right, we're hanging in there until the last post. those fauxking foulcurrs best get ready to see the light, larcenious execrable that they are.

    as previously postdead buy mynuts won:

    gnu millennium spells doom for stock markup frauds, aka corepirate nazis, aka the walking dead

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    truth is, there's no better/more affordable/effective way that we know of, for J. to reach other J.'s &/or their respective markets.

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    as the lights continue to come up, you'll see what we mean. meanwhile, there are plenty of challenges, not the least of which is the planet/population rescue (from the corepirate nazi/walking dead contingent) initiative.

    EVERYTHING is going to change, despite the lameNT of the evile wons. you can bet your .asp on that. when the lights come up, there'll be no going back, & no where to hide.

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  8. McBride's sources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Several scattered thoughts come to mind, among them "chutzpah", "pump and dump", and "someone's going to jail when this is all over." Why wouldn't they use Linux? They own it, don't they? Lawyers have pulses? Darl's head must be spinning so fast that he doesn't know which way is up any more.

    This Comment was generated with the Comment-O-Matic for SCO Stories.

  9. LAME ASSED BULLSHIT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    So Edward Teller dies and NOT SO MUCH AS A MENTION at SlashSnot. But Whooooow man! SCO? All over the fucking place.

    Slashdot mods are UNEDUCATED!

  10. Re:100+k lines not meaningful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    What would be more meaningful would be a /B tag in your post.

    It kind of looks like you're a moron from where I'm sitting.

    And don't be so smug. Lunix is doomed and everyone knows it.

  11. Re:How can one steal lines of code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    gee Alsee. if you had REAL research skill, you'd cite the case that came from. Then again, since you spend all your time posting to slashdot, you probably indeed have no research skills.

  12. Re:You are of course right, by dhowells · · Score: 0, Troll
    That crazy gun-nut has done more for the OSS movement than you ever have or ever will, Mr. dhowells. Care to explain why you should even be compared to Utah hillbillies?

    And that is, of course, what is so sad about the situation. ESR has indeed done more than me, and quite possibly more than you, for the furtherance of the open source community from the logistical, technical, etc point of view. However measuring his net benefit as am amasador for OSS is difficult, and if i believe his influence to have been negative that is a view which can only be dismissed with counter-argument (for example how his pro-gun views dont matter if that is what you think) not merely dismissed with throw-away comments like:

    Care to explain why you should even be compared to Utah hillbillies

    This comment is not only non-valid as a dismissal of my viewpoint but it is also an unfounded personal slur. Because what matters in this is not my merit as an OSS bod, or as a person, but ESR's. It is equally important to remember that his immorality is not seperable from his role as an ambassador and the idea that it could be is a nonsense. I belive that his gun views are palpably absurd, backward, and immoral and responsible in effect for the deaths of hundreds of innocents. Doesnt this put his OSS contributions in perspecive a little?

    You are effectively defending his gun-nut views. And before you jump to the keyboard in defense of my claim consider this: If ESR were a pedophile would you write That sick pedophile has done more for oss than you ever...... etc? I think not

    Think about it. Defend ESR on the basis that he made good contributions to OSS and you are effectively legitimising his political views, i.e. gun 'freedoms'. Given that to a moral person such views are utterly unteneble, this reflects as badly on you as it does on him

    Consider the heirarchy of goods you have created:

    1. Contributing to OSS
    2. Morality and the human right to life

    Mmmmm. lush

    Dom

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  13. Interesting choice of words... by 110010001000 · · Score: 0, Troll

    "We will not attempt to erect a compromise with you on a foundation of dishonesty."

    Notice the wording. It seems as if there is actually something there, otherwise the word "compromise" wouldn't be in there. Very telling, since they have actually seen the evidence from SCO.

  14. SCO may be right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    The linux kernel has a history of people who've stolen code.

    In 2.0.36, part of the TCP/IP code was taken from FreeBSD and the headder notes it came from FreeBSD, then put the GPL copyright in place of the BSD copyright.
    There was the ATA code as noted here on slashdot.

    Now the Open Source Development Lab director Tim Witham admits how many of the people who go the misnamed Open Source (should be called Linux Development Lab if all they do is work on Linux) Development Lab are also IP thiefs. From the interview at Newsfactor Mr. Witham says "run into people all the time who say, 'we took the BSD off in 1995". For him to 'run into people all the time' these people would have to visit the OSDL. Taking the BSD license off is the kind of IP theft SCO is claiming.