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Victor G. Sommers writes "Daniel Soong, who lost his programming job to Indian offshore companies, is willing to relocate to India. 'It would be really interesting to work in Bangalore,' he says. 'But I was told, "Daniel, it is against the law for you to work here. You can come here on vacation, but you can't work here."' Indian officials have told him they don't hire Americans." An article in ComputerWorld talks about the possibility of getting more than you bargained for in outsourced code.
Punch a sandnigger in the face today!
Fuck Arabs.
You should use MSIE and see if that corrects the problem. I would assume that Mozilla is buggy before I'd assume that the page has design issues.
Well, duh... As a dutchman it's also not possible for me to relocate to the USA. Unless I prove that there's no way my skills can be found in the States.
What are you talking about? Europeans are everwhere in America, and I don't mean white-bread European-descended Americans (European Americans) either. They are in the universities and in the job market. The U.S. is not the problematic party in terms of open job opportunities. It is the European Union's cradle-to-the-grave mentality for their job market that prohibits better agreements. In truth, there should be free trade and free job opportunities between the U.S., our subsidiary named Canada, and the European Union. While Britain would most likely sign on in a heartbeat (the Scottish National Party would complain though), the other backward viewing countries, ahem "member (nation) states" like Germany and France (especially) wouldn't.
"Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
the last thing we need in America are for Indians coming in and taking quality jobs also.
Steve's Computer Service, Hobbs, NM
i totally agree, even though my wife is where she is because of H1B. We needed it THEN, we dont need it NOW. Get rid of it! ESPECIALLY L1s. The L stands for LEECH cause all fucking L1s do is glean knowledge and go running back to their country WITH OUR JOBS!
The last thing we need in America is an increase in whining from the unmotivated. Follow the laws of supply and demand and the cream will rise to the top.
No, the laws are not the same. Here, in US, we have 35 year old "college students" with student visas who "supplement" their income by working 9 to 5. (they attend classes at night)
And don't get me started with H-1B and L-1 loopholes. L-1 is far worse because companies don't even have to pay $1,000 to train American workers when companies "transfer" their workers from India, China, etc.
http://www.h1b.info/
I had two teachers in the last 6 months at my college who had the credentials and were supposed to be "experts in their field" Well, these two fucks didn't know anything and just read from the book to us. They had NO teaching skills and had horrible accents. An English teacher could have done better teaching these tech classes.
I did well in class but not because of the lectures.
As far as the guy who blew his brains out is concerned...he should have done us a favor and taken his replacement and managment who approved it with him. His replacement is probably still working, laughing his ass off because some poor schmuck didn't have the balls to stand up for his rights.
looks a little buyassed to us. we've both hired, & worked for, firms in india. 'course we're being lead DOWn now, would make US isolationists. which will be our ONLY choice, should we not improve our image with the rest of the wwworld. it all fits? badly
we extend our deepest sympathies to the victims of cowardly greed/fear based aggression everywhere.
that old tune title (hope we don't get 'busted' for using it) "make the world go away", takes on new/varied meaning in these times.
the prevalent notion that 'everything will be taken care of' without yOUR knowledge/participation is insidiously misleading.
in our estimation, the biggest 'threat' against US (aside from continuing to fire bullinedly into the 'crowd', whilst demanding applause), would be a failure to recognize our 'role' in the problems. we're victims for sure, but whoare ALL the perpetrators (see also: corepirate nazi puppets), gets lost in the ?pr? ?firm? generated propaganda spew.
consult with/trust in yOUR creator. seek others of non-aggressive behaviours/intentions. that's the spirit.
the lights ARE coming up now. pay attention (to yOUR heart, for example). that could lead to new ways (see also: newclear power plan) of thinking about/dealing with, the needs/rights of others EVERYWHERE on the planet.
having the attention span of a gnat, & similar ambitions, might be ok if you are just planning to be a consumer/type one liners.
take care of each other, you're all we've got. we're here for you. get ready to see the light.--
worth reading, again, with feeling.
"It takes a long time to teach the judges, legislators, and public to understand technology. Right now, they're getting a strong dose of "education" on the Internet's threats and harms, and not hearing so much about its potential. Shouts of "piracy" often outweigh consideration of how we might communicate with more open media formats, but judges like Stephen Wilson in the Grokster case are starting to listen through the shouting. We're encouraging more people to think about how the law shapes technological innovation, how the technology itself can foster creativity, and then to do something about it to advance the public interest."--
"The stability of the large world house which is ours will involve a revolution of values to accompany the scientific and freedom revolutions engulfing the earth. We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing"-oriented society to a "person"-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered. A civilization can flounder as readily in the face of moral and spiritual bankruptcy as it can through financial bankruptcy."
I am sick and tired of these third world savages taking all of the US jobs. They can do it because per capita these thrid world hell holes make 200 bucks a month. No wonder American corporate whores are outsourcing jobs. I see no reason why I should have to lower my standard of living for these idiots. Stay in your own countries.. Keep out of the US. We don't want you here.....
The US is one of the most nepotic countries. Just look at the President. Americans hire on merit. You're funny!
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
Hey.. maybe Pakistan will nuke India over Kasmir.
That would work out well. I'm gainfully employed
because not only am I excellent at what I do
(System Architect, Sysadmin, Network Admin, Trouble
shooter, the fall to guy) And I like to think I'm easy to get along with. But damn.. you should see the hassle I put any H9 thorugh... hehe...
I then complain to human resources that they are stuborn and that they don't truly understant english. So.. we are kicking some of there asses out the door. Plus.. Indians are not known for thier hygiene. EEwee! They reak! If it' not B.O. it is bad breath from some stagnent curry sauce. I'd like to see some sort of natural disaster wipe them off the face of the earth.
Hey.. Do you know what I call our Oracle Indian COnsultant? Apu! He
Talk about quality software... Cough Cough...
Logan Airport wrote up a nast review on thier Visage
Facial recognition system. Gues what brand of programmers they have on staff... INDIANS! And we are not talking about your friendsly Native American. we are talking Curry sucking sweaty indians. Man I have never been a racist, but I trell you they are screwing with our lives. I'm damn good at what I do and I can program much better than I can spell. But damn If I see a team of indians replace a friend again I will make there lives a living hell. I allready don't advise them on anything... you see I am the fall too guy, when someone is stuck they come to me.
I help my fellow American programmers, even the
dumb ass ones. I didn't help any dumb asses before because I figured they'd leave or get laid off. But hell... I've got my own little tech war here. I want to rid IT of foriegn Indians.
let them go home and work for peanuts.
I am posting this from the Indian state of Bihar and would like to bring a few facts to your notice. Big IT is limited to a few cities like Banglore, Hyderabad,Delhi,Pune,Bombay etc.Very miniscule portion of the Indian population of 1 billion is involved in IT. Perspective Indian IT exports 10 billion USD Microsoft sales 50 Billion USD 99% of IT wok done in India is outsourced work from US,Europe,Japan etc.No original product development or ground breaking software science here. There is no major contribution from India to any Open Source Software project.On the hardware front India does not have a decent semiconductor manufacturing facility. The great "Call Center" story is turning sour.There is 40% rate of attrition.According to a recent article people working at these centers develop physical/physiogical problems.Nothing is great about being Sam with a "American accent" at night and being Swaminathan during the day.Identity Crises Education is pathetic.Original thinking is not promoted. Learn by text books and vomit in exams. Regarding the IITs in a population of 1 billion you can statistically always find 10k people who are exceptionally brilliant.The untainted/rigirous selection process ensures that these people get selected into the IITs.India has not produced a single Noble prize winner since Independence.Those Indians who have won the Noble prize are settled and working out of India.If the Noble is an benchmark for original thinking you can see where India stands . No development in basic sciences as all bright students go to IT. Corruption in India extremely high and prevelant in all walks of life. Bush and his colleagues would look like saints when compared to Indian politicians. Pollution is high in cities and you can see squalor in most areas.BTW Bombay has the largest slums in asia. Because of its lowest "code monkey" cost India is today on everyone's radar screen.When some other country takes that title India will be forgotten just like a couple of years before. All in all not a great place to be in.....
I am posting this from the Indian state of Bihar and
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would like to bring a few facts to your notice.
Big IT is limited to a few cities like Banglore,
Hyderabad,Delhi,Pune,Bombay etc.Very miniscule portion
of the Indian population of 1 billion is involved in IT.
Perspective Indian IT exports 10 billion USD Microsoft sales 50 Billion USD
99% of IT wok done in India is outsourced work from
US,Europe,Japan etc.No original product development
or ground breaking software science here.
There is no major contribution from India to any
Open Source Software project.On the hardware front
India does not have a decent semiconductor manufacturing
facility.
The great "Call Center" story is turning sour.There is
40% rate of attrition.According to a recent article people
working at these centers develop physical/physiogical
problems.Nothing is great about being Sam with a "American accent"
at night and being Swaminathan during the day.Identity Crises
Education is pathetic.Original thinking is not promoted.
Learn by text books and vomit in exams.
Regarding the IITs in a population of 1 billion you can
statistically always find 10k people who are exceptionally
brilliant.The untainted/rigirous selection process ensures
that these people get selected into the IITs.India has not produced a
single Noble prize winner since Independence.Those Indians who have
won the Noble prize are settled and working out of India.If the Noble
is an benchmark for original thinking you can see where India stands
No development in basic sciences as all bright students go to IT.
Corruption in India extremely high and prevelant in all walks of life.
Bush and his colleagues would look like saints when compared to Indian politicians.
Pollution is high in cities and you can see squalor in most areas.BTW Bombay has the largest
slums in asia.
Because of its lowest "code monkey" cost India is today on everyone's
radar screen.When some other country takes that title India will
be forgotten just like a couple of years before.
All in all not a great place to be in.....
Granted, some of you are probably directly benefiting from this work visa scam, and some (notably European) individuals just like to see the U.S. suffer regardless of the circumstances, but whats everyone else's excuse?!?
How can anyone genuinely not see a problem with a country denying work to U.S. citizens, while at the same time injecting millions of its own workers into an already hurting U.S. economy? How much money do you think flows out of the U.S. economy and into friggin India because of these workers sending their money home? (Oh and thanks guys, for letting us sponser your children and for allowing us to come there on vacation and hand over more of our currency).
And what is this nonsense about work visas being difficult to get? Take a stroll through Silicon Valley or Detroit or Miami sometime, chief. Although large portions of each have many legal citizens and illegals, millions are here just on these work visas. Hard to get, bah.
Much hilarity ensued when I read that potential candidates for work visas must prove to some mickey mouse rubber-stamp entity that they can do something that an American can't, or do it better in some regard. I would love to read some applications, just to hear how their U.S. employer sponser justifies this nonsense. And apparently this policy doesn't apply to medical professionals. I've worked with literally hundreds of visa-ed MDs who were simply horrible and inept at all aspects of their profession. And what about that phone tech support guy that we all need an interpreter for? If he listed "pissing customers the f--- off" as a skill he can do better than you or I, then I guess the system works. Do it better, bah.
But lets cut to the chase. Money is the determining factor in this debate. Cheap labor, more profit, screw the American unemployed and screw civic duty.
In many periods of history, when the job market is bleak, anger turns towards immigrant workers, or any other "outsiders". (e.g. The misplaced anger of the "They come over here and take our jobs!" argument).
Hell, I don't blame them! Our anger should really be directed to whom it belongs - absurd legislators, bleeding-heart judges, and greedy corporations that are responsible for creating a political and social climate where these discrimantory, anti-American hiring practices can occur.
Free trade, global labor, whatever its called, its bad news for America. And don't give me the "Well America was made up of immigrants" routine...that was then, this now. We're all full up, try Canada. How can America continue to take in everyone that strolls accross a border or spends a few months obtaining some document? Can America continue to be a thriving economic force this way?