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Xbox Auto-Update Blocks Linux Usage

An anonymous reader writes "According to The Inquirer, Microsoft has used their Xbox Live Vole System to patch any Xboxes that access it....without asking their permission before installing the software. However, in this occurrence, the bug appears to be the 'dashboard bug' that allows Linux to be easily installed on an Xbox. Further, according to The Xbox Linux Project, users who do not have an Xbox Live account may find themselves being patched without permission as well. If a gamer tries to access any part of a game that uses Xbox Live, the console can 'phone home' and install the patches anyway. While patching bugs can be a nice touch to poor software, I don't know if I feel comfortable with ANYONE installing software on my hardware without asking permission first."

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  1. Any serious Linux users... by mpeg4codec · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you bought an Xbox to run Linux, you'd have no reason to install Xbox-Live. If you bought an Xbox to run games, it's unlikely that you'd want to run Linux on it. After all, you can find better X86 hardware cheaper at Fry's Electronics, or your local bargain store.

    I know there's a camp that uses it for both, and it's rather large. However, you should probably consider just buying another computer for that sort of thing.

  2. Why the suprise? by mao+che+minh · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Listen, when you choose to use a Microsoft product you are doing so under the assumption that you are giving away a great deal of your rights, that you are contributing to a monopoly and any parties that have the ability to gain from that, and that you are about to lose a lot of control over your own system/property. This well-written-in-EULA-but-hardly-mentioned-aloud-ag reement is no secret. In some cases, in certain interpretations, this can be a good thing: like automatic patches for security vulnerabilities. However, there are many reasons why such intrusive behavior - regardless of motive - is bad.

    Overall, I would say that such a willing loss of control, freedom, and some can even argue morals, is good for the home desktop/console market at large (though it is alarming to realize that software console could be so badly written that it would demand security updates). For the corporate setting, such a sacrifice is unacceptable and even hazardous - as the article mentions.

    The underlying sentiment of the article, the editors here, and a large population of Slashdot is that "Microsoft is behaving badly - Linux is good". I agree with this sentiment and philosophy, but only to a certain degree. Microsoft Windows is an extremely well established desktop operating system with very mature gaming technologies. For this reason, I feel that it should remain the home desktop choice. As a server operating system or workstation operating system, I feel that it costs companies too much, is too closed, is too insecure, is not flexible enough, and most importantly, is not powerful enough. The entire business ethic and development model of Microsoft is so painfully harmful to large businesses that it's laughable.

    Bottom line: If you willingly use a Microsoft product, don't be suprised when they bend you over: they have been doing to everyone for years. Linux should prevail on your servers and workstations, Windows should prevail at home, for basic common sense reason and moral justifications.

    1. Re:Why the suprise? by someguy456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In some cases, in certain interpretations, this can be a good thing: like automatic patches for security vulnerabilities. However, there are many reasons why such intrusive behavior - regardless of motive - is bad.


      Not trying to defend M$ or anything, but when you put it that way I guess they really are just trying to secure the xbox. After all, it _is_ being hacked.
    2. Re:Why the suprise? by AlexMax2742 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Weird. Thing is, I didn't buy my Xbox to run Linux. You can install Linux on it if you want, but if Microsoft doesn't want you to use their Xbox Live service without having a legitimate Xbox that they know hasn't been modified (for better or for worse), it's their decision. And another challenge for you. Perhaps you can figure out a way to circumvent that too and be able to use both.

      People figured out how to make the Xbox do something it wasn't designed to do. Microsoft has taken the stance that it doesn't want that happening on their systems, especially when you consider the fact that with Xbox Live factored into the equation, and that this might open the door for cheaters to ruin online game, hell Just look at SOCOM. Don't you usually patch your games for better online play? If you play online, you need to patch the structure to make sure nothing sneaky has comprimised the games. If you dont want to, you just choose not to install Live! It's that simple. Xbox Live! and Xbox itself are intertwined. They both need updating or else the weak link breaks the system.

      Microsoft has made its move. Now its your turn. Either circumvent it or give up. But jesus chrsit quit whining about how evil Microsofts intentions are.

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  3. Do you have to sign an EULA to use an XBox? by JoeShmoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Totally serious question...does the XBox come with any kind of EULA? Like a seal over the power button saying you agree or an included pamphlet?

    If not...then wouldn't this be unauthorized access to a computing device, which was made a federal crime I thought in the last round of Justice Department power grabbing?

    We all know about the quasi-legal nature of software granting itself the right to phone home or take action against your system, but that relies on the arguement the user accepted the EULA to use the software. What about hardware?

    The last console I owned was a Super Nintendo so I just don't know, do modern consoles have EULAs?

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  4. Re:what? by Keighvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The console itself is purchased, not the right to *use* the console under a predetermined licensing agreement.

    Now the software is entirely a different issue - some games may indeed try to force an EULA on you upon purchase to allow such activities (which would become a sticky situation when renting), or enrollment into the XBOX Live system, but the hardware itself is yours to keep and do whatever you want to.

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  5. If you mod it, stay off of their network... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...it's like a truck. I can put 70" tires on it and turn it into a monster truck without anyone stopping me. But when I put it on the government's network (the highway), they can enforce their laws on my truck (i.e. you can't drive around in something that can crush every car on the road)...

    If you mod your x-box...fine. If some MS goons break into your house and restore your x-box to the factory default, you have something to complain about. If you expect to play on MS's network with your modded x-box without any consequences, you're a fucking moron.

  6. MS is just testing the waters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For doing the same with there Windows OS.

    Microsoft Knows no matter how many times they say patch or else. Millions of people wait for the or else to happen, and it makes them look bad.

    This is just the same has forced childhood immunization for better public heath. You don't have to immunize every machine, just enough so the probability of the next machine in the series being vulnerable is near zero.

  7. Agreed! by GoatPigSheep · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A modded xbox could just as easily be modded in order to facilitate cheating on their network...

    MS has every right to protect their networks from cheating gamers.

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