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New PowerBooks, Bluetooth Keyboard and Mouse

no_demons writes "This morning Apple iCEO Steve Jobs gave the keynote at the Apple Expo in Paris. The whole PowerBook line up got an upgrade, with the 15" model now sporting the much rumoured goods (1.25GHz, backlit keyboard, bluetooth, Airport Extreme), available from today. Apple also announced a new wireless keyboard and mouse."

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  1. Re:I always wondered by CutOnThisLine · · Score: 5, Informative

    His name is Clarus The Dogcow. All Clarus says is 'Moof' which would make him a fairly sucky keynote presenter.

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  2. Re:innovation by bigbigbison · · Score: 4, Informative

    No the mouse does NOT have rechargable batteries according to the sight the mouse "Uses 2 AA Lithium Non-Rechargeable Batteries" You could put in rechargable NMi batteries (and you would probably want to) but it doesn't come with them, thus it doesn't come with a dock. Which pretty much stinks if you ask me.

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  3. In other, better, news... by Zanthany · · Score: 5, Informative
    Apple has quietly pushed ahead the release date of iTunes for Windows machines:

    from http://www.msnbc.com/news/966392.asp

    In another hopeful sign for the industry last week, downloading sites Rhapsody and Apple's iTunes bragged that paying customers were flocking their way. And Apple, NEWSWEEK learned, quietly informed some music insiders that it's moved up the date for expanding its current Mac-only iTunes for the vast universe of Windows-based PCs to mid-October. Apple couldn't be reached for comment. As weeks go, it was a good one for the record industry.


    That seems like more of an announcement suiting the frontpages of this hallowed bytespace.
  4. specs by Maskirovka · · Score: 4, Informative
    Here are the current specs, shamelessly plagarised from macslash.



    12" Powerbooks 12.1-inch TFT Display
    1024x768 resolution
    1GHz PowerPC G4
    512K L2 cache
    256MB DDR266 SDRAM
    40GB Ultra ATA/100
    NVIDIA GeForce FX Go 5200 (32MB DDR)
    Full size keyboard
    10/100BASE-T Ethernet
    FireWire 400
    AirPort Extreme Ready
    *Mini-DVI out
    $1599 with Combo Drive, $1799 with SuperDrive

    15" PowerBooks
    15.2-inch TFT Display
    1280x854 resolution
    1GHz PowerPC G4
    512K L2 cache
    256MB DDR333 SDRAM
    60GB Ultra ATA/100
    ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 (64MB DDR)
    Full size keyboard
    Gigabit Ethernet
    FireWire 400 & 800
    AirPort Extreme Ready
    DVI & S-Video out
    $1999 with Combo Drive, 60GB drive, $2599 with backlit keyboard, SuperDrive, 80GB drive, AirPort Extreme, 512MB RAM

    PowerBook 17" 17-inch TFT Display
    1440x900 resolution
    1.33GHz PowerPC G4
    512K L2 cache
    512MB DDR333 SDRAM
    80GB Ultra ATA/100
    ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 (64MB DDR)
    Backlit Keyboard
    Gigabit Ethernet
    FireWire 400 & 800
    AirPort Extreme built-in
    DVI & S-Video out
    $2999

    *The miniDVI out is a smaller connector that reuires a dongle to connect to DVI cable or vga adapter.

  5. Re:Bah... by Lysol · · Score: 4, Informative

    With YellowDog, wifi worked 'right out of the box'. The only issue I had with it was that it got confused as to which adapter it was. That was simply fixed by telling the wi-fi specifically to bind the proper mac address.

    YDL & Panther peacefully co-exist with no problem. I love my Tibook. I will probably never buy another kind of laptop. Well worth the money.

    Oh, and another thing, the screen is excellent. Probably the best laptop screen I've seen. Apple's parts are all pretty much top notch.

  6. Not the iCEO by penguinsloveme · · Score: 4, Informative

    He's not the interim CEO any more, he's the CEO.

  7. Re:Wow... it's bluetooth! by singleantler · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've got a D-link bluetooth adapter for my iBook and a mate bought one for his IBM laptop at the same time, seems to work fine for both systems. He can link up to his mobile phone fine, and we set up networking between the two computers using them to see how easy it was - no problem.

    Was about the cheapest from a known brand I'd seen as well.

    NB: I'm nothing to do with the company, etc. etc.

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  8. Re:innovation by mblase · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oh, for the umpteenth time: Apple mice use one button because their research indicates that non-professional computer users never know what to do with a second mouse button anyway. My wife and in-laws are experienced consumers, and they never touch the second button, even after I tell them what they can do with it.

    It's a good idea, and Apple's stuck with it. If you really need those extra buttons, you may as well buy a new mouse. You're paying a premium for Apple hardware anyway, so I'm sure you can afford it.

  9. Re:Double Bah. by slycer9 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Erm...their keyboards have had separate islands for quite some time now...this is BY FAR nothing new.

    To answer a few questions above:

    Yes, they run Linux...Yellow Dog, Mandrake PPC just to name a couple.

    Yep, they play .OGG, natively in iTunes as a matter of fact, and you can use OggDrop to encode.

    Any other questions?

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  10. Re:makes sense by robbieduncan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Microsoft has been shipping a bluetooth mouse/keyboard for months. Belkin started offering a bluetooth mouse a week or 2 ago. Apple were not the first, or even the second!

  11. Re:Man now my PB is 3 generations old. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I don't really see to much of an improvement in powerbooks.

    Take a closer look at the 15" model.

    • PC133 RAM becomes DDR333.
    • 1GHz CPU becomes 1.25GHz.
    • Bluetooth is integrated.
    • 802.11b becomes 802.11g.
    • 60GB disk becomes 80GB.
    • Radeon 9000 becomes 9600 (think vastly imporved pixel / vertex shaders).
    • FireWire 800 included.
    • Oh, and the new magic glowing keyboard.
    Nothing entirely earth-shaking, but together they make it a lot more appealing. And before you ask, mine's on order...
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  12. Re:Wow... it's bluetooth! by rwhiffen · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just be careful which D-link adapter you have. The product page for the keyboard doesn't spell it out, but when you go to buy it in the online store it says:

    "Important: Requires a Bluetooth enabled Macintosh (either built-in or using the qualified D-Link DBT-120 USB Bluetooth Adapter (older D-Link DWB-120M adapters are not supported). Mac OS X, v10.2.6 or higher required. "

    So if you've got the DBT-120 and not the DWB-120M you're set.

    Rich

  13. Re:innovation by clontzman · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are really two questions here: a right mouse button and the whole Apple mouse-as-a-button concept. The former may or may not (I'd still argue that it does) have merit, but the latter issue is a really significant ding on Mac usability.

    We've been using iMacs as museum kiosk workstations and you constantly see children and inexperienced adults unable to separate the act of clicking from the act of dragging, meaning that every link they try to click, they end up dragging the image across the screen because they don't realize that by resting their hand on the mouse and adding a slight amount of downward pressure, they're still "clicked."

    Or, worse yet, if they are trying to drag something and reach the end of the table, it's not at all clear to them to grip the sides of the mouse to "hold" the click. It ends up causing us no end of headaches.

    "But the clear plastic is so pretty! They coordinate so well with the computers!" :-/

  14. Re:I always wondered by MouseR · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those not following, a complete description is available.

  15. Re:Whoa whoa whoa... where'd the L3 cache go? by green+pizza · · Score: 5, Informative

    All of the PowerBooks now use the same motherboard chipset and the same new PowerPC 7457. This processor has 512 KB of on-chip full-speed L2 cache.

    Previous PowerBooks used older 74xx processors with 256 KB of on-chip full-speed L2 cache and varying amounts of off-chip quarter-speed L3 cache.

    The L3 isn't really needed anymore due to the doubling of the faster on-chip cache. Sure, 8 MB of L3 cache would be neat, but it would also up the price. Be glad the new books have the nifty Mobility Radeon 9600!

  16. Re:As usual by babbage · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yeah, the Apple USB keyboards all work on Intel machines. The only catch is the key mappings of some of the bottom row keys: on an Intel keyboard, the [alt] key is typically to the immediate left & right of the [spacebar], but Apple puts the [cmd] keys in that position instead, and puts [option/alt] one key farther away. The Apple [alt] key works normally, it's just in the "wrong" place.

    The catch is that [cmd] key -- Windows interprets it as the [win] key as found on modern keyboards, and brings up the system menu whenever it gets pressed. Some people really like that key, and find it useful: it's a big time saver for me to be able to use shortcuts like [win]+[E] (bring up Explorer), [win]+[R] (bring up a Run dialog), and [win]+[F] (bring up a Find dialog). However, more people seem to dislike it than like it, and in any case, the problem here is the position: with the system key placed where [alt] typically goes, it's almost inevitable that it'll accidentally get hit all the time -- and this will get annoying.

    Another problem is if you go back & forth between Macs & Intel (Windows/Linux/whatever) using the same keyboard, the situation will get confusing. For example, cut/copy/paste are done on both the Mac & Windows by hitting, respectively, [X]/[C]/[V] and a modifier key. On the Mac, that modifier is next to the [spacebar]; on Windows, it's at the edges of the bottom keyboard row (typically). If you're using Apple keyboard on just Apples, and whatever keyboards on Wintel, then it doesn't seem to be as confusing (just as I don't get confused with the [caps lock] / [ctrl] swap on Sun keyboard), but if you're using the same keyboard on both systems, then it can start to get blurry -- you learn to avoid [cmd] because you don't want the system menu, but then you can't get cut/copy/paste to work because you're hitting [option] or [ctrl], etc.

    This wouldn't be so bad if you could re-map the keys, but (parroting what I've been told by others here), Wintel keyboards just transmit codes for the key bring pressed, but Apple keyboards transmit the actual logical meaning for each key -- meaning that it's apparently not possible to re- map (say) the [option/alt] and [cmd] keys to be in the standard Wintel arrangement. So you're stuck, and all you can do is train yourself to get used to little quirks like the ones noted above.

    But that said, yes, it works, and it can work nicely. I've got a couple of spare Apple keyboards, and even with the funny keymappings they're still nicer to use than most laptop keyboards, so I tend to plug in an old iMac keyboard to use on my fiancee's Toshiba laptop, and for the most part there aren't any problems in doing this -- except for the bottom row of keys, everything works identically.

  17. Apple Store by Phoukka · · Score: 5, Informative

    Down in the lower left corner of the Apple Store is a big red sign labeled "Special Deals", wherein you will find refurbished machines for lower than just about any commercial dealer (Smalldog, for instance...) of refurbed Macs. On the other hand, you'll pay sales tax. If sales tax = $100, go to Smalldog, or similar dealers.

    Refurbs are covered by Apple's standard 1-year warranty, with the option of purchasing AppleCare, so hardware issues, well, aren't an issue. Also, a standard set of software, cables, manuals, etc. are included in the box.

  18. Re:Bah... by TheGreek · · Score: 4, Informative

    Get off it with your elitism.

    Okay. Let's go with realism. I've used both Apple and PC-based (mostly IBM and Dell) laptops and desktops for the past few years. Let's see how they stack up.

    LAPTOPS:
    On Apple's portables, control-clicking is EASIER than having a two-buttoned trackpad. When I want to reach down to click, I do so with my right thumb, as the heel of my hand pivots to the left slightly, and my thumb extends in that direction. If I want to pop up a contextual menu, my left pinky hits Control as I click with my right thumb. This is very easy and intuitive. Having a two-buttoned trackpad would force me to move my thumb into an awkward position in order to do this.

    DESKTOPS:
    Apple's current mouse design does not permit two buttons without introducing severe usability issues, and, really, as you can get a multiple-buttoned mouse (with a scrollwheel if that gets you horny) easily enough, this isn't nearly as much of an issue.