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New Metal That's Full of Holes

anoopsinha writes "Wired reports: 'Caltech researchers have made a metallic glass-based foam that is stronger than traditional metal alloys, providing industry with a revolutionary lightweight material.' Currently the applications envisioned for metallic foams are in automobile and aircraft crumple zones, which absorb the impact of collisions, and in artificial bone. Some imagine using the foam to create structures in space."

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  1. Ouch... by EABird · · Score: 4, Funny

    Aircraft crumple zones....

    That can't be good

    1. Re:Ouch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa! Would that zone be from the cockpit to the tail section?

    2. Re:Ouch... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      The Beastie Boys had an illustration of this material in use on their original "Licensed To Ill" tapes. Unfortunately, I lost the tape sometime in high school, and was only able to find This Picture of a 1986 press pass on beastiemania.com :) Aparently the CD and/or album cover didn't have the same graphic on it.

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    3. Re:Ouch... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Here's another. Most of the big record stores only show the tail section - I wonder if it's the CD aspect ratio or post-9/11 political correctness. We didn't have CD's when the Beastie Boys were big. :)

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    4. Re:Ouch... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      Sure we did. :) Errr, maybe..

      This has brought up a discussion here in the office, when the hell did CD's become popular? I got my first CD player in my car in '89, but everything I had was on casette tapes. Ahhh, the days of hair-band hair, slutty girls, cheap beer and loud music. What happened to those days?

      Looking around a little, it was Philips and Sony that released the first CD players in '82, but it appears that "Licensed to Ill" was released in '86 and wasn't available on CD til '90.

      I can't imagine every store going back and changing the covers for licensed to ill, 11 years after it's released. But knowing the climate immediately after 9/11, maybe they did.

      Ahh, listening to Beastie Boys.. I gotta find my CD. The tape wore out years ago. :)

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    5. Re:Ouch... by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      The plane crash picture wraps around the CD case. On the front you get the regulat tail with the Beasties logo on it, and the back you see the plane crashed into the ground. It's always been like that, it hasn't been changed because of 9/11 or anything like that.

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    6. Re:Ouch... by ottawanker · · Score: 1

      You guys had the tape? Hahaha, I had the LP, and let me tell you, the plane was HUGE (and crushed) when you unfolded the thing. It was I think 3 LP covers wide. Very cool. Too bad my mom sold all my LPs.

    7. Re:Ouch... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      I found my CD tonight. If you unfold the cover, it does have the full plane picture on it. :)

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  2. bubbloy? by jguevin · · Score: 3, Funny

    At first I thought the "dept." was unnecessarily pessimistic, but the name "bubbloy" alone is enough to doom this stuff.

    1. Re:bubbloy? by Theresa+Bean · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought the name was cute.:-p

      But they'll have to come up with a really catchy "space-agey" name to market it to the general public. The idea of a commercial VO saying "The new BMW 7-series, now with BUBBLOY!" makes me giggle a little bit.

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  3. Posturing by kurosawdust · · Score: 1

    Bah. Eat your own dogfood, guys - when over 50% of the buildings on the Caltech campus are made of this newfangled 'foametal', then I'll listen to your spiel... :-P

    1. Re:Posturing by p3d0 · · Score: 1

      Can someone explain that "eat your own dogfood" expression to me? It just doesn't make any sense: what is the analogy supposed to be? Surely people who work at dogfood companies aren't expected to eat the stuff.

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  4. One Step . . . by Dausha · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, we are one step closer to transparent aluminum, aren't we?

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    1. Re:One Step . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeaaaahhh baby! you go scientists! were one step closer to the wonder woman airplane! yeaaaahh!

    2. Re:One Step . . . by KDan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just keep on going in this direction, increase the bubble/metal ratio and soon we'll have transparent aluminium which looks like air, feels like air, and has the structural strength of air! Think of all the applications!!!

      Daniel

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    3. Re:One Step . . . by zangdesign · · Score: 4, Funny

      I spent the whole morning talking into my mouse, trying to convince my computer to display the formula, but alas ...

      I'm stuck with this quaint keyboard thing.

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    4. Re:One Step . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cute. Very cute, but this article is about the step of using glass instead of air.

    5. Re:One Step . . . by Danse · · Score: 1

      I want an aerosol can full of this stuff so I can spray it at people like silly string!

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    6. Re:One Step . . . by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Scotty: "Hello Computer.. Computer??"

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    7. Re:One Step . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I spent the whole morning talking into my mouse, trying to convince my computer to display the formula, but alas ...

      Then, just like Scotty (who apparently hadn't used a keyboard in quite some time before that point in the movie), I simply typed the info in at 140 wpm. "Heh. Had to learn typing at the Academy. Never thought I'd need it."

  5. Seems cool by balog · · Score: 1

    So when can i use this to build my own free-form foam-igloo?

  6. foam steel by dpilot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In my high school years, (early 70s) my dream was to set up an orbiting factory making foam steel, flat (radial gradient density glass) lenses, and hollow ball bearings. Of course bubbloy apparently doesn't need to be manufactured in zero G, and my (or anyone else's) factory isn't up there.

    IIWIC, (If I Were In Charge) I'd declare a tax holiday on 50+ mile content in order to promote greater space access. I might exclude satellite communications relays, since that industry is already well developed and I'm trying to foster new development. OTOH maybe not, since more development opportunities might arise.

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    1. Re:foam steel by mrgeometry · · Score: 1

      Too bad "set up an orbiting factory" wasn't one of the poll choices just last week.

    2. Re:foam steel by Alsee · · Score: 1

      I'd declare a tax holiday on 50+ mile content

      Exactly! Space industry will take off if we just stop dragging it down with sales tax! :)

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  7. Not as cool as Aerogel by Tom7 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Aerogel is 99.8% holes. Check out the photos of a thin sheet insulating crayons from a blowtorch!

    1. Re:Not as cool as Aerogel by blahlemon · · Score: 2, Funny
      That stuff looks like urinal cakes...

      mmmm, urinal cake.

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    2. Re:Not as cool as Aerogel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mmmmmm

    3. Re:Not as cool as Aerogel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to buy this stuff and not go broke, but it's so expensive I've never even found a price online.

    4. Re:Not as cool as Aerogel by Ark42 · · Score: 1


      Where can I get some of that stuff, that is so awesome. I wonder how hard or expensive it is to make.

    5. Re:Not as cool as Aerogel by dpilot · · Score: 2, Informative

      An early adult dream, as opposed to the late childhood dream of an orbiting factory, was to build a woodstove lined with shuttle tiles. The idea was to preheat incoming air and burn with very little heat loss other than deliberate extraction. That would allow the firebox to stay at the right temperature for clean burning, even at low burn rates.

      Anyway, shuttle tiles aren't cheap, and it isn't just because they're on the shuttle built to government specifications. Shuttle tile material is expensive to fabricate, and I've heard indications that it's really not a very nice thing to have around. Not quite like asbestos, but in that general direction.

      Before picking up a piece of aerogel, I'd like to hear more about its biological properties. I can easily see bits and pieces flaking off and floating through the air, to be inhaled or ingested.

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    6. Re:Not as cool as Aerogel by pmz · · Score: 1

      Aerogel is 99.8% holes.

      A cool geeky name for the ultimate geeky girl.

    7. Re:Not as cool as Aerogel by snake_dad · · Score: 4, Informative
      For those that only looked at the pretty pictures: Aerogel is used in the Stardust spacecraft, that is at this very moment collecting spacedust. On january 2nd 2004 it will fly past the comet Wild-2, and collect particles from the comet. And in 2006 the spacecraft will return to earth to bring back the samples.

      And this is only one of the spectacular things that NASA is doing next year. There is also the Mars rovers mission, Cassini-Huyghens will arive at Saturn, and (hopefully) the Shuttle will fly again..

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    8. Re:Not as cool as Aerogel by Tom7 · · Score: 1

      Apparently you have to make it in space (!!) if you want it to be fully transparent.

    9. Re:Not as cool as Aerogel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty cool, but it's not some super wonder material. It is damaged readily by water and can shatter easily.

      Just killing your joy before you get too excited about it. ;)

    10. Re:Not as cool as Aerogel by M1FCJ · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Everything can be cheap as hell as long as it is manufactured in large enough quantitites.

      IC's are not easy things to produce but they are cheap enough to put in anything, including 50p digital watches.

      The shuttle tiles aren't cheap because they are not manufactured in a line, in huge quantities. Once you start producing in those quantities, you tend to solve any problem you encounter. Soon enough the initial cost is so low compared to the quantities you manufacture, the total cost of an individual product gets dirt cheap. At this stage the only thing that limits the price is profitibility.

      There are quite a lot of hard-to-produce technologies in large quantities. Lasers deemed to be impossible and very expensive to generate for a long time. When I was a child the articles I read were referring to rubies! Now I have CD-ROM players/writers all around me using miliwatt lasers. Coool!

      Not only that, a CPU is not easy to design, not easy to produce but I can still buy a fast enough Athlon under 50 pounds.

      Total material cost of a typical car is 50 pounds for the metal, 200 pounds for the energy spent. The average cost of a new car in England is around 10k pounds.

      It's all about market drive.

    11. Re:Not as cool as Aerogel by Zerth · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, it's made out of silica, so silicosis is a bit of an issue, but it rarely makes it to your lungs because most forms of aerogel suck up liquid like, well, a sponge and any particles the right size to shred lung usually sucks up enough water to keep it from floating into your lungs.

      Ingestionwise, I don't know offhand of anyone who's had a problem with it, other than maybe making them thirsty.

    12. Re:Not as cool as Aerogel by BerntB · · Score: 1
      And this is only one of the spectacular things that NASA is doing next year.
      The problem is that it usually takes NASA multiple years to do what they plan for a year... (and cost overruns are even worse -- was it a hundred times more expensive/pound to orbit than NASA promised?) :-(

      (And even worse than the shuttle -- the space station.)

      What space research needs are for some of the private initiatives to get funded, so the launch costs get down to the level NASA promised for the Shuttle. Then universities can build and send their own space probes. (If weight wasn't such a concern for something to be launched, they will be much cheaper to build, too.)

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    13. Re:Not as cool as Aerogel by Austenite · · Score: 1
      Total material cost of a typical car is 50 pounds for the metal, 200 pounds for the energy spent. The average cost of a new car in England is around 10k pounds.

      It's all about market drive.


      50 UK pounds ~ $125 AUD. Steel (coil) costs around $1/kilogram in bulk. A 1250kg car is about 50% steel/iron, so you're at around $625, or 250 UK pounds already. Give or take. :)

      Then you need to add the glass, aluminium, plastic, copper, brass, and everything else.

      The last line seems to infer that the cost of a car is driven only by profiteering. Perhaps in response to economic factors such as poor supply and high demand? Not true - nearly every market segment is crowded with makes and models. Supply is very competitive.

      The amount of investment required to deliver the amount of processing and technology in the average econobox is simply staggering. The quality and delivery demands are much higher than many other industries, but also go hand in hand with very high liabilities.

      As an engineer for a Tier 1 supplier, it astounds me that cars are so damn cheap!
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  8. Metal that's full of holes? by vasqzr · · Score: 5, Funny


    Nobody told me Microsoft opened a steel mill?

  9. Robin says: by Shiblon · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Holy rusted metal, Batman!"

    Never was it more appropriate.

  10. Liquidmetal?!?! Awesome! by MarkGriz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Indeed, bubbloy will be part of the product line of Liquidmetal Technologies, which is famous for adding spring to golf clubs and tennis rackets, but also develops material

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  11. Re:Liquidmetal?!?! Awesome! by MarkGriz · · Score: 2, Funny

    (oops...screwed up the post...stupid enter key)

    From the Wired article:

    "Indeed, bubbloy will be part of the product line of Liquidmetal Technologies, which is famous for adding spring to golf clubs and tennis rackets, but also develops material"

    So, when can we expect to see the T-1000 added to their product line?

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  12. Scotty was here!! by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 0, Redundant

    its transparent aluminum

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  13. What about Scotty? by displague · · Score: 1

    Does this compare to Transparent Aluminium?

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  14. Name for the metal by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Researchers are debating over the name for this new metal. Currently, the top two contenders are "Mithril" and "Adamantium" :-)

    1. Re:Name for the metal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      How about Unobtainium?

    2. Re:Name for the metal by hplasm · · Score: 1

      Foamium. Airominium.

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    3. Re:Name for the metal by misterpies · · Score: 1


      Actually, adamantium would be a good name for a diamond foam -- "adamant" is the medieval name for diamand.

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    4. Re:Name for the metal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Swisscheesium?

    5. Re:Name for the metal by NonSequor · · Score: 1

      I recall hering that the name adamant means hardest and that originally it referred to something other than diamond. So if we can make a material harder than diamond we can call it adamantium.

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  15. I, for one... by mraymer · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...welcome our repetitive "can this be used to make a space elevator?" posts.

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  16. where'd the idea come from? by MSG · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does this mean that scientists are starting to understand the materials they collected at Roswell?

  17. Artificial bones? by Enrico+Pulatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Keep that crap away from me, bub.

  18. I can imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a Beowulf cluster of this stuff.

    C'mon, you thought it, but only I had the courage to say it.

    1. Re:I can imagine by M1FCJ · · Score: 1

      I bet there will be some case-mods using this metal pretty soon!

  19. He had a mind... by cybermace5 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...like a steel sponge.

    (source: the hilarious "Use Bizarre Metaphors" idea at the Halfbakery)

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  20. Reason #984 not to trust a Slashdot editor's blurb by The_Laughing_God · · Score: 5, Informative

    The blurb Timothy posted (or approved and passed on) said: "Currently the applications envisioned for metallic foams are in automobile and aircraft crumple zones, which absorb the impact of collisions..."

    This sentence is taken from the article, but refers to the old-style metal foams, which have been tested for decades, NOT the 'glassy' metal foam discussed in the article. Most of the article explains why the new glassy foam is different from the old ones, and lists properties, like rigidity and high elastic energy return, which make it specifically unsuited for use in crumple zones. The article itself says:

    "Given the bounce bubbloy would have off a wall or tree, Veazey said it might not be suitable by itself as a crumple zone."

    Hitting a wall and bouncing creates up to twice the change in momentum, and potential for damage to humans, as a 'hit and stick impact' (e.g. wrapping your car around a tree or hitting the concrete after a 100 story fall). The impact would admittedly be mitigated by being spread out over several milliseconds vs. nearly instanteous, but "high elastic energy RETURN" is the opposite of an "energy ABSORBING crumple zone".

    Similarly, a high rigidity, high energy return, bone replacement would place an extreme stress on its anchors and surrounding real bone. You want a material that absorbs energy as it flexes, rather than returning is as a one-two punch (initial impact and then sharp recoil in the opposite direction) The energy absorbed by the flexing of a good bone substitute should be released as heat (it takes a lot of kinetic energy to make rather little heat) instead of crumpling [mechanical deformation] like a Mercedes front end.

    This glassy metallic foam has many potentially interesting applications. It's a shame that the blurb picked up on two applications where the old foams look more promising than the topic of the article

  21. Did anyone else read this and "hear" ... by Dave21212 · · Score: 2, Funny


    Did anyone else read this and "hear" the name of this material as
    BUBBLE BOY ???

    (Episode 47): Jerry is spotted at a restaurant and asked to visit a boy who lives inside a plastic bubble. Jerry, Elaine, George, and his girlfriend, Susan, are supposed to spend the weekend at Susan's father's cabin. Since the cabin is near the boy's home, Jerry agrees to stop by. Arriving early, George quarrels with the bubbleboy while playing Trivia Pursuit, almost killing him. Kramer and Jerry's girlfriend go swimming near the cabin while they wait for the others. He leaves a cigar burning that sets the cabin on fire. Air Date: 10/7/92

    I guess I spend too much time playing with this stuff...

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  22. Huh? by JDWTopGuy · · Score: 1

    I thought this was a story about the PowerMac G5... I guess I need some more caffeine...

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  23. heh by ShadowRage · · Score: 1

    I see some people have been seeing too much of that star trek movie where they go back in time, that one was actually cool (coming from a non trekkie fan) "well, DUMBASS on you, too!" anyways, this sounds OK, but, that aerogel stuff looks better and more feasible for heat related situations, wouldnt the bubbles on this "bubbloy" help heat the metal faster and make it melt? I'd like to see that aerogel stuff used in computers, or hand in hand with bubbloy, and if it can be made cheap, then maybe we can prevent another 9/11 even from happening by creating building structures with this stuff, lightweight, yet strong, so if, say a bomb or airplane goes off, minimal structural damage, thus, more lives can be saved (aka, building wont goe falling down and killing thousands of people like the wtc) be a good solution.

    1. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This bubbloy shit and aerogel will have different applications. Aerogel is fragile and probably won't be used so much for structure, like bubbloy will. It will more likely be used as an insulator.

    2. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I beleive it was "DOUBLE DUMBASS", dumbass.

  24. volume manufacturing by dpilot · · Score: 1

    Sure, volume manufacturing would make shuttle tile material cheaper, but it's a question of whether it's worth doing. For most earthbound applications, weight doesn't matter much, and size/volume may not be *that* important. So what if firebrick has to be five times thicker, twenty times heavier, and still doesn't do as good a job. It's a wood stove. (or blast furnace, or kiln, or whatever) Even in volume manufacturing, I doubt shuttle tiles would approach firebrick closely enough to be worth it.

    Much as I might like the idea.

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  25. Re:Reason #984 not to trust a Slashdot editor's bl by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

    Actually, a high energy return substance, with the proper delay/dampers, would still protect the passengers of the vehicle, but not be so forgiving of those that (presumably) struck the vehicle.

    For instance, if someone runs a red light in front of me, I don't particularly care what happens to him (he endangered me, after all, as opposed to the other way around) As long as Im' still protected, I'm quite happy to see my property not self destruct to protect the one who is in the wrong.

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  26. Re:Reason #984 not to trust a Slashdot editor's bl by oobar · · Score: 1

    Soooo, what you're saying is the editors don't read the stories? And because of the constant dupes, apparently they don't read slashdot either. So we can logically conclude that the process of "editing" must therefore amount to randomly clicking "accept" and "reject" links, and looking busy.

  27. Closed cell foam in a vacuum by PhilHibbs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With a closed-cell foam, I'd imagine that air pressue becomes relevant. If the cells are full of air, what would exposing it to vacuum do? Likewise, if it's manufactured in a vacuum, would the cells be empty, or would they contain gasses that are a by-product of the manufacturing process? "Make it in the medium that it is to be used" is an obvious answer, but what if it's used to make the walls of a space structure? The outer cells would be exposed to vacuum, the inner cells to atmospheric pressure.

  28. My nomination by Compact+Dick · · Score: 1

    Goatselium.

  29. did she also... by emilng · · Score: 3, Funny

    throw away your best porno mag

  30. costs and everything by M1FCJ · · Score: 1
    I have 1250kg of Nissan Bluebird rusting in front of the house. The engine is running, it is 1987 make. I can't find anyone offering anything, even if the price is down to 25 pounds.

    I really wonder from where you get your numbers, the last time I looked at it, it was much cheaper (circa 1994), even with the inflation taken into account.

    Now I have a even bigger mass of Volvo 940. :) Still I paid a lot less than what you offer.