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British Court Issues Bizarre Copyright Ruling

dipfan writes "In a re-run of the Lotus v Borland case that went to the US Supreme Court, the High Court in London has allowed a copyright infringement battle between two rival airline booking programs to go to trial, despite agreement by all sides that the two programs are written in different code. The airline Easyjet is being sued by software house Navitaire, creators of an online booking system called Openres, over Easyjet's booking system named eRes, developed by Bulletproof Technologies of California. Openres was written in Cobol, while eRes was written in Visual Basic, and the programs are also different in structure. But, according to the FT article: 'Parallels had been drawn between appropriating the "functional structure" of a computer system and commandeering the plot of a book, the judge noted.' If Navitaire wins, then any program that works like another program - even if written in different code - could be vulnerable. What happened to the principle that you can't copyright an idea? Bulletproof is counter-suing Navitaire in the district of Utah."

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  1. You got sued, yay! by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    These lawsuits are beginning to rely too heavily upon nit-picking small points. How long until Microsoft is allowed to sue OpenOffice.org because the "functional structure" of OpenOffice Writer infringes upon the proir art of Microsoft Word?

    This is silly. I am suing all males of the human species, because their penis infringes upon my own penis's "functional structure" (although I admit that due to their vastly smaller size, our structures are different).

    Come to think of it, I guess that my father would call me out on the whole "prior art" thing there.

    1. Re:You got sued, yay! by chiller2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So the comparing software to the funcional structure of ones wanker is worth a +5 insightful?

      Knowing the meaning of the word wanker might be though. Your usage of the word suggests a wanker is a penis. It isn't, at least not in British slang, which is where the word originated.

      wank
      wank - to masturbate e.g. He was wanking, or He had a wank
      wanker - person who masturbates. More commonly used to insult, e.g. You fucking wanker!. Associated hand gestures often used.
      wankered - drunk. e.g. He was totally wankered.

      Other infinitely useful gems of the British lexicon include...

      bollocks

      name for testicles. e.g. she kicked him in the bollocks.
      bollocksed - drunk, e.g. I'm totally bollocksed,
      bollocked - in trouble. e.g. Jimmy got bollocked by the teacher for punching Tom.
      bollocking - see bollocked e.g. Jimmy got a good bollocking for punching Tom.
      bollocks - crap / not very good e.g. MS Windows is a load of bollocks or Fred talked such utter bollocks at the meeting
      bollock - Single testicle, or insult e.g. You stupid bollock

      knackers
      knackers - testicles only. not used as insult. e.g. she cut off his knackers
      knackered - exhausted e.g. I'm completely knackered. Also means in trouble. e.g. Jimmy got knackered for skipping class.
      knackering - tiring - see knackered

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  2. another case of. . by NetMagi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's like the malloc (sp?) thing all over again. two airlines needing a piece of software to do the SAME THING. How many correct ways are there to do it?

    From an outsider's point of view, a stranger to word processing, one would draw EXTREME similarities to MS Word vs. a Corel alternative.

    Is it copyright infringement? They both allow you to do the same thing in almost exactly the same way. .

    seems crazy right?

    -rich

    1. Re:another case of. . by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They both allow you to do the same thing in almost exactly the same way

      In a non-monopolistic market, we call that 'competition'.

  3. Possibilty by ajnlth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But on the other hand if they loose that would make a legal precedence that copyright doesn't cover functionallity which would be a good thing.

  4. The implementation is not the issue by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Travel booking programs are particularly complex and it appears that the two programs here share enough logic for the VB version to be infringing.

    It is not unreasonable: if I sing "happy birthday" on the air, I have to pay copyright fees. So if I rewrite someone's code in another language (or even the same language), why do copyright fees not apply?

    It is far better that copyright be applied to this kind of case (assuming the infringing program actually is a rewrite, not a coincidence) than patent law. At least with copyright you know that a clean-room rewrite is safe. With patents you won't know until the lawyers knock.

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  5. Why is this bizarre? by bartlog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The case might not have much merit, but there's not enough detail for us to decide that - and no apparent reason to dismiss it as 'bizarre'. Don't you remember that Apple sued M$ over the 'look and feel' of Windows? And if I wrote a program that exactly duplicated the functionality of Warcraft III (even if all the code was my own) do you think I wouldn't get sued by Blizzard? Everything depends on what the patents and copyrights cover.

  6. Copyright != Patent by Grant_Watson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "A lot of patents are like this.... How is this different?"

    You patent an idea. You only copyright a work.

    1. Re:Copyright != Patent by twalk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You actually patent an implementation of an idea, plus as many variants as you can think of. Of course, with the way the PTO office is going, I'm not sure if they even remember that anymore.

  7. Copyrighting Ideas by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, the history of 20th century copyright law -- esp. in the US but in Europe as well -- is a blurring of the boundaries between idea and expression, those boundaries being the cornerstone of copyright law previously. This is primarily the effect of movie studios and producers suing people for similar adaptations of similar stories and winning. Siva V. writes about this in Copyrights and Copywrongs. Lawyers for the movie industry went to such lengths to protect their works from imitation that copyright law now recognizes a certain level of idea protection. It's ironic because the film industry got its power in the first place in part because of a strict boundary between idea and expression. But in any case it is not surprising to see this trend manifesting in debates over copyright of computer code.

  8. so! The world is going mad by cdn-programmer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps this a case of mad judge disease!

    Anyone who thinks the courts are logical should remember that in France a court found a cow guilty of murder and in Salem a court convicted women of being witches.

    Not much has changed since then it would seem.

  9. Re:Copyrighting and Idea by spektr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Were Shakespeare alive today, he would have a fairly good lawsuit against Disney for infringing on Hamlet.
    No, he wouldn't be a) the copyright would have already expired

    If Disney existed since Shakespeare's time, copyright would last 500 years after the death of the creator, now. Naturally that doesn't mean that Disney would pay a penny to the descendants of Shakespeare.