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P2P Music Sharing Remains Popular Despite RIAA

KarmaOverDogma writes "The New York Times reports that the RIAA's attempts to cut down on (music) file sharing are slow to show any effect, as much of the public still considers the activity to be useful and/or acceptable. P2P filesharing activity has decreased very little since they began their end-user legal campaign."

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  1. Agenda by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    from the article: "What we're trying to drive for is an environment in which legitimate online music can flourish."

    Read as: "We want online music to be hosted by our business partners, protected by DRM and for which we get get paid every nickel we think we're due."

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  2. Let's pay the artists intstead... by pointbeing · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I vote for embedding artist PayPal addresses in mp3s. Then we can send the money directly to the artist.

    I'd imagine the RIAA wouldn't think too kindly of this idea - but it is kinda fun to think about :)

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  3. No effects YET but, by kunsan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the RIAA wins a few decisions in a courtroom, I think it safe to say it will scare the crap out of quite a few folks. Thereby causing a decrease in the number of people sharing music.

    JP

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    1. Re:No effects YET but, by TGK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But that won't happen. The RIAA is -=not=- interested in a courtroom decision. Think about it, and chart the possible outcomes.

      1.) Defeat -- The RIAA knows that this is shakey ground. It's that way for two reasons. First, there is some indication that users may be able to pleed ignorance of what tracks are copywritten and which are for general distribution. Secondly, a judge is unlikely to award the RIAA the vast sums of money they sue for. When a person settles out of court that's one thing, but when a judge flat out tells you that your lawsuit is both insane and very unreasonable it has deeper consequences.

      2.) Victory -- The RIAA wins the trial. But wait, suddenly they've gone from being "defenders of their legal copyright" to the 2003 version of the woman who spilled coffee on her lap... taken to the Nth degree. Come on, what kind of reaction would you see when some 12 year old kid holding his puppy calls a news conference on the steps of the court house to announce that the RIAA has won a judgement against him for over a Billion dollars?

      3.) An out of court settlement. The RIAA gets the money, little Johney doesn't get to call his news conference, and the entire thing never appears in front of a judge. There's no appeals process and no danger of a legal decision shattering the buisness model.

      Someday someone's gonna take this to court. Someone with very little to loose. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

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  4. lets see them try and put everyone in jail by mrfibbi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's always been a fact that the worst way to tackle piracy is by nabbing the end users. Remember that humerous article a while back about the major detaining facility in Death Valley for file sharers? The problem is that they let filesharing get so widespread that everyone and their mother now download music. They're going to have to be a bit more creative if they want to stop people from using P2P.

  5. Re:It'll start working eventually by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Enough people will be prosecuted and then people will stop.

    This approach has worked wonders for the "War on Drugs". How many people are "criminals" because they dared have a few grams of pot on them?

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  6. I have a hunch... by RealityProphet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a hunch that this is because programs like Kazaa are devious. Even when you think you're not sharing anything, you are. So, there are probably many many people who think they are only downloading music, not sharing it, too. For instance, only the most clever will point their shared folder to an empty directory, so as not to share anything. But only the cleverest of the clever realize that your download directory is automatically shared, so that each and every file you download is shared, unless you move it out! Ooops! Combine that with Kazaa's infamous difficulty to actually close, and you've got plenty of unwitting file sharers out there.

  7. really by Boromir+son+of+Faram · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In other news, crack cocaine remains popular, despite War on Drugs. No healthier or more legal, of course...

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  8. Well, well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    neither will their crippled CD's have a negative effect on filesharing..

  9. Of course it's popular still... by overbyj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    because until the RIAA hunt down every single P2P filetrader, people are going to continue to do it. Certain drugs are illegal but people still sell and buy them because the government can't stop every single person. The RIAA has to realize that basically the only way to stop P2P is to pull the plug on the internet (which btw they might eventually try to do once they run out of other bright ideas!)

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  10. Well.. by jamesjw · · Score: 4, Insightful


    What did they expect?

    I mean the RIAA has only the reach in the US it seems, its up to individual countries appointed authorities to persue foreign traders.

    The problem will come for the RIAA when the trading goes underground to private FTP servers and the like, it wasnt that long ago when it was the only way to find music online..

    Napster changed things, it was probably the most significant 'killer app' next to Yahoo when Yahoo first started as somebodys bookmark page and grew to something thats been copied over and over and over (And which Google has perfected *grin*) :)

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  11. A very good point from the article... by pirhana · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >"Law, technology and ethics are not in sync right now,"

    This one sentence sums it up well. Despite the massive propoganda , people are not convinced by RIAA arguments and they dont find anything wrong in sharing things they possess. These file sharers are not "crminals" as RIAA says. They are just normal human beings who are not convinced by RIAA arguments, period.

  12. In other news... by radish · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Reports indicate crime still occuring despite existence of Police and Judicial system...film at 11.

    Really, I'm against the RIAA action as much as anyone else (and likewise the DMCA), but experience shows us that making something illegal rarely prevents it from occuring.

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  13. Criminality? by DesScorp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "How many people are "criminals" because they dared have a few grams of pot on them?"

    All of them.

    Because the law currently says pot is illegal, case closed. They may not be evil for smoking pot, and maybe pot should be legal. But until it is, using it is a crime. No debate here.

    It never ceases to amaze me that so many people here rage at the fact that people get sued and prosecuted for doing illegal things just because they disagree with the law. What they need to be doing is trying to get those laws changed. And if you can't get them changed, and the majority of the public does NOT support your position on getting it changed, tough luck, you lose, move on. That's how it works in a democratic republic. Just because YOU don't support the law, that doesn't mean that you have a blank check to defy it. If we defied all the laws we didn't like, it wouldn't be much of a civilization, would it?

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    1. Re:Criminality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If we defied all the laws we didn't like, it wouldn't be much of a civilization, would it?
      On the contrary: if we spinelessly followed idiotic laws we disagreed with, it wouldn't be much of a civilizations. Dissent gives you progress.
    2. Re:Criminality? by lone_marauder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If we defied all the laws we didn't like, it wouldn't be much of a civilization, would it?

      Well, at least in the context of the history of the United States, this civilization began through defying laws we didn't like. Whether the opponents to laws such as the Stamp Act were self-interested rabble rousers or conscientious objectors, everything we hold dear began by defiance which was not only illegal, but ultimately developed into the most dire sort of resistance to state authority.

      The idea behind this republic is that the government operates at the behest of and according to the will of the people, not the other way around. The glory of America is that no matter what attempts are made to socially stratify your viewpoints by categorizing you (extremist, right winger, left winger, etc.), or, as has become immensely popular around here - the lack of a business plan (horrors!), your opinion still counts. It is the government's problem to accede to the will of the people. Everything government represents, especially the law, must necessarily reflect that purpose.

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  14. It's like they're trying to hand the RIAA a clue by mblase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The persistent lack of guilt over online copying suggests that the record industry's antipiracy campaign, billed as a last-ditch effort to reverse a protracted sales slump, is only the beginning of the difficult process of persuading large numbers of people to buy music again.

    I had the feeling that sentence was explicitly intended to be dripping with sarcasm. I could see the subtext as if it were in bright blinking neon: "The record industry would be much more effective at persuading people to buy music if they didn't feel like they were constantly being taken advantage of at the register."

  15. Destruction? by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm Canadian. Marijuana is so common up here that they're slowly decriminalizing it. Most of my friends (I'm allergic, so I don't do it myself) smoke a little pot once in a while.

    I've seen lives ruined from the criminal charges associated with marijuana. As for the substance itself, well... I do know a few people who abuse it, but in the long run, it's doing less damage to them than the alcohol they would have used in place of it. The lack of addiction or especially bad long-term effects means that when they "go clean", they recover.

    It's really no different from alcohol, except that it's not addictive and doesn't cause brain and liver damage (it does cause lung cancer, but like that ever stopped people from smoking tobacco). Some people abuse it, some use it responsibly.