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Lobbying For Linux

Telex4 writes "Slashdot has heard a lot lately about why software patents are bad, and the passage of the legislation in the EU. But other than the online demo and a few pictures of the demonstration outside the European Parliament, Slashdotters hear little about the real behind-the-scenes lobbying. I've just put an article up on Newsforge describing and discussing my experiences lobbying inside the Parliament that might shed a little light on what we mortal geeks can do to save ourselves. There are some accompanying photos on my web site for those who like visual aids." (NewsForge and Slashdot are both part of OSDN.)

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  1. Thank you. by CGP314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just want to say congratulations for what you have done. Many of us bitch and complain about these issues, but you took time out of your life to do something about it. I just wanted to thank you for that.

    1. Re:Thank you. by Elektroschock · · Score: 4, Informative
      There was a huge demonstration yesterday in front of the Munich EPO. About 500 participants dressed in black T-shirts.
      In Vienna 400 demonstrated.

      Similar events will be organized across Europe, in Madrid, Poland, Duesseldorf, Berlin, Paris, ...

      Sept 23 there will be a demonstration in Strassbourg. And another Online demo will be started.
      http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/InfoStands
      http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/OnlineDemo

  2. Lobby for Open Standards by Brandybuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't lobby for Linux. Besides being a FreeBSD user hating to see EU nations ban everything but Linux, it also doesn't do anything to correct the pervasion monoculture in governments. While 100% use of Linux is better than 100% use of Windows, 100% use of anything is still bad.

    So lobby for Open Source instead. Lobby for Open Standards. Those will also be much easier to get acceptance.

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    1. Re:Lobby for Open Standards by axxackall · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's easier to lobby Linux at first. It opens a mind of users. After that it's easier for them to notice other open source systems.

      Besides, 100% of Linux is not a monoculture. There are dozens of distros. There is a competition between Gnome vs KDE vs misc managers. There are various programming languages to code the same projects. Well, even inside Perl there are always more than one way of doing the ame thing (according to Laryy Wall, the creator of Perl). Finally, there will be always PostgreSQL vs MySQL and Emacs vs vi (and even GNU/Emacs vs Xemacs for Emacs winners) - what kind of monoculture do you see here?

      By the way, all those "one vs another" things are OS agnostic. If the decision maker will open the mind enough to get into Linux - in no time the person will notice that all those "vs" are the same inside BSD.

      But if you will bring "Linux vs BSD" right to the lobbying process, those non-techs will decide: "OK, let's them at first decide Linux or BSD and THEN we'll see if it's worthy against Windows!" - you don't want THAT decision, don't you?

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  3. What to do? by Elektroschock · · Score: 5, Informative

    Time is running out. We will not stop this directive but we can support important amendments filed by some MEPs in order to get a sufficient directive.

    Adresses of EU - representatives

    http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep5/owa/p_meps2.rep ar tition?ipid=0&ilg=EN&iorig=home&imsg=

    personal > telephone call > Fax > letter > email

    The directive is called COM(02)92, it will be voted on Wednesday.

    Info about Amendments (please directly refer to these, no general texts, the first link is a must read):

    http://swpat.ffii.org/papiere/eubsa-swpat0202/pl en 0309/index.en.html
    http://swpat.ffii.org/papiere/ eubsa-swpat0202/plen 0309/kond/index.en.html

    It is especially useful to support Mrs. Kauppi against patent radical Wurmling in the conservative group

    http://swpat.ffii.org/#wuermeling-pr030919

    Background

    General:
    http://swpat.ffii.org/analyse/index.de.html

    Technical contribution (what is really meant, we want a definition in the directive based on the "natural forces" theory):
    http://swpat.ffii.org/papiere/eubsa-swpa t0202/tech /index.en.html

    Program claims (dangerous for web site owners):
    http://swpat.ffii.org/papiere/eubsa-swpa t0202/prog /index.en.html

    Interoperability (support ITRE against Juri proposal)
    http://swpat.ffii.org/papiere/eubsa-swp at0202/itop /index.en.html

    Don't write to Green party members or EFA as they are convinced yet, focus on Liberals, Conservative(Finnish MEP Kauppi has made good amendments)
    and Social democrats

    One of the funniest arguments was Wurmling's text who stated that Eolas vs. Microsoft showed best practise for SME. Incompetence and lies rule within the EU parliament. We shall not let patent lawyer interest groups win this battle.

    1. Re:What to do? by cobbaut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Remember, when writing to an MEP that they are real persons, usually with real lives and real interest in making a better Europe.

      So be polite, be very clear on the subject, be fair.

      Several weeks ago i wrote an e-mail to 15 Belgian MEP's and some of them replied. From those replies i understood that they are very aware of the subject (yes some MEP's really are very intelligent).

      cheers,
      pol :)

      --
      European Linux user, living in Antwerp
    2. Re:What to do? by GoofyBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you care about these, or any, issue then its important to remember this part of the original post:

      personal > telephone call > Fax > letter > email

      An email is NOTHING compaired to a telephone call. Not a rude/fanatical one, just one that lets them know of your concerns.

      Think that the "system" is messed up and the "man" is getting you down? This is the time to do something about it. Put up or shut up.

      Its your laws, make sure that they represent your views.

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      The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
  4. Re:Cluelessness by AvantLegion · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It is impossible for an individual to know everything about everything.

    If the average Slashdotter sat down with the average politician, and each spoke about political issues, the Slashdotter would educate the politician on computer issues, and the politician would educate the Slashdotter on a hell of a lot more.

    Software (and copyrights/patents) is one tiny aspect of what these people deal with on a daily basis. It's important for people to step up and communicate with them, as the article writer did, because there's no way for the politician and assistants to keep up on EVERY issue with the kind of depth that people around here do on a small handful of issues that pertain to our careers/hobbies.

  5. Caroline Lucas and the Greens by nickos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of all of my local MEPs that I've emailed, Caroline Lucas (Green) has been both the most responsive, and the most supportive of our position. If they were only pro-Euro, they'd get my vote every time...

    (Christopher Hume (LibDem) has sent me a number of letters, the most recent of which (16/09/2003) says that "software should not be patentable simply because it is running on generic computer equipment", and goes on to say that they want a Directive to "enforce the original EPC, rather than codifying what has become common practice - and illegal practice - of allowing the patenting of computer-implemented inventions".)

  6. Re:Cluelessness by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    If the average Slashdotter sat down with the average politician, and each spoke about political issues, the Slashdotter would educate the politician on computer issues,

    Yeah, right. The average slashdotter would claim superior knowledge of every aspect of politics, and then call the politician a right-wing Bush-loving freedom-hating corporate whore if the politician disagreed on any point.

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  7. Re:Lobbying w/out FFS europe? by Elektroschock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why don't you become a member of FFII? Although they are associated with FSF Europe. However, FSF does very little in the debate. It is more or less managed by FFII and it's European supporters (AEL.be, AFUL, Vrijschrift, EDRI, ecc.).

    http://swpat.ffii.org

    https://www.ffii.org/ffii-cgi/eintrag?m=login

  8. Re:Smug bullshit by panurge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trade issues like IP and patentability are among the roots of wars, famine and poverty. It is a small step from this issue to the availability of cheap AIDS medicines in Third World countries, or the exploitation of Third World farmers by Western control of genetically modified monocultures. If we want to do something about international justice we need to start at home - and that means things we understand better than most. I am not qualified to explain the problems of GM crops to a representative, but I am qualified to explain the problems created by software patents. So that's what I should do. Don't criticise the people trying to bring down the wall with pickaxes because other people are using hammers.

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  9. News flash by s20451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    News flash: Career politicians, like every other human, are not experts in everything.

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  10. Re:Cluelessness by Read+Icculus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was watching a US House of Reps "Worms and cyber security" subcommmitee on C-SPAN the other day. Testifying before the Congressmen were the following - Microsoft Corp senior security strategist Philip Reitinger, VeriSign VP Kenneth Silva, Lawrence Hale, director of the Federal Computer Incident Response Center, Christoper Wysopal consultant for @stake Inc, some other Russian security consultant, and a few other random folks. The chairman of the committee asked the Verisign PHB and the two consultants if there were any security benefits in running open-source software, and which was more secure, open or closed. I almost shat myself. Here was the perfect opportunity to hear some glowing reviews of open source. Instead the two consultants, who seemed decently knowledgeable, and long winded on all other issues merely said that there are flaws in all types of software, and they would "guess" that the frequency of security flaws were the same as for closed source. Although the guy from @stake did mention that the theory behind open source security was that "the more eyes, the better", he also countered it with noting that most users of open source wouldn't be able to fix the code when a vulnerability was found. That was it. No detailed explanation about anything. Just a brush off that was not quite as long as their testimony on why ipv6 wouldn't offer any extra security over ipv4. Luckily the Verisign bastard was there to add his two cents. To paraphrase him - "I would agree with their, (the consultants) testimony, but I would like to add that often the people who write open source software are not professionals". Then he took another shot mentioning "that often worms affect open-source software too". Often... I wonder what he considers "often". How can he even trot out the word "often" to describe the frequency of worms that affect open-source software when there are millions of Windows boxes that are constantly being hit by worms. He then added - "We must resist the temptation to demonize software vendors and other members of the network community. The finger pointing is often misplaced and in most cases does more harm than good." It was quite the interesting hearing, and gives me a bit of insight into what kind of info our Government is getting about open source.

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  11. what a difference by alizard · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Public campaign financing makes. While I've heard there are serious problems with the EU government as a functioning democracy, I was very impressed to find that MEPs with staff members willing to spend 45 minutes listening to individuals not representing massive multinationals or organized pressure groups, and staff members willing to admit that they really didn't understand the issues and were willing to accept help from "just plain folk".

    Of course, the main factor here that helped is that the positions of the MEPs were not formulated to win campaign contributions from lobbyists.

    In the "land of democracy", the chances that a handful of people can actually get people to listen without massive campaign budgets are a lot smaller.

    As I've said, though the EU has done some very wrongheaded things with respect to legislation and technology, the odds on getting them to stop doing them may be considerably better than in the USA if individuals will organize and put in their time and individual-scale money to . . . do something. The war isn't lost there yet. Perhaps it won't be.

    The one point that I think based on the article didn't get made as strongly as it should be is that NOT passing software patent bills gives the EU an advantage the USA with respect to individual and small business contributions to technology of the sort that leads to businesses that provides jobs and that the EU can tax.

    Remember that the committments of legislators to follow the lead of the US aren't as strong as that of US legislators who got campaign contribution from interested multinationals, i.e. except for a few, I'd guess that a great many are willing to listen to reason if the reason is put in terms that they can understand.

    Props to the people who lobbied on behalf of us all.