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PC Mag Compares G5 to Xeon
zpok writes "PC Magazine did a comparison between a dual 2.0-GHz Power Mac G5 and an equally expensive Dell Precision 650 Workstation running dual 3.06-GHz Xeon processors. Their conclusion: 'we see that indeed the G5 is generally as fast as the best Intel-based workstations currently available.' But of course 'our cousin Ned can build you a better'un at half the dough.'"
according to PCMAG, the G5 cost $4349 as tested. Using the apple store, i can get that with the 2x1gb RAM modules, superdrive, no bluetooth/wifi, Radeon 9800, and a modem. now, let's configure a similar Dell Precision 650. the review doesn't mention that the Dell has a Radeon VE 32mb, no 56k modem, a 120gb ATA HD (compared with the G5 and its 160gb SATA), and uses DDR266 (compared to the G5 using DDR400, but that can't be blamed on Dell, but the mobo config). According to PCMAG, they were "comparing the results with a similarly configured (and priced) Dell Precision 650 Workstation". Funny how they give the exact price of the G5 and not of the "similarly priced" Dell.
... they don't explain what it is, but they make it obvious that said delay is not experienced on the Mac). According to the story, "on the Windows system, loading the controls often took a minute or more. If these times are added back to the actual test times, both Macintosh computers would have clearly outperformed the Windows-based computer." They don't make a note of it on the actual benchmarks, just the preface.
as you can see, the Dell is $835 more. now, let's try and be objective, something PCMAG disavowed in their introduction saying they took Apple's claims about the speed of the G5 "with a grain of salt". in other words, the test was designed to debunk Apple, thus throwing objectivity out the window.
IF we were to buy the RAM by a third party, drop the 56k modem on the G5, and leave the default video card (which is still better than the Dell), the system would cost $3188 (RAM is DDR400, 512mb+1gb on pricewatch). The Dell would cost $4057 (again, with RAM from pricewatch). That would make it $869 more.
On top of that, PCMAG admits to not taking into account a certain loading time (for controls
so if anything should be taken with a grain of salt, it's PCMAG.
Many people do lots of video editing or 3D, or use virtual instruments & effects to do music. We can use every last bit of power we have- every day. Plus we're cranky and outspoken...
> Objectivity, wherefor art thou?
Why is objectivity important? What an odd question. Objective measurements of consumer goods makes it easier to understand substitute products and to determine if you're getting a good price for what you bought.
Oh, you meant, "where are the objective standards?", not "why are there objective standards?" As we all know, "wherefore art thou" isn't a fancy way of saying, "where are you?" It means, "why are you?" or "what purpose are you?"
I'm just glad the word "whither" has gone out of fashion again. Casual, improper use of Shakespearean English makes fools of us all.
Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
A faster processor than the one tested is available for the Dell 650: 3.06 GHz with 1 MB L2 cache, which is double the standard 512 KB L2 cache.
For new orders, Apple can not deliver a dual-processor G5 for 3-5 weeks.
Dell offers 10,000 and 15,000 RPM Ultra320 SCSI drives as an option, with up to 4 drives. Apple only offers up to 2 SATA drives.
The Dell 650 can be configured with Linux.
It was objective alright, but most (intelligent) people objected on other grounds than -erm- objectivity.
They argued PC's should have run an optimized compiler, as the G5 should have. That way you'd have a subjective but real world benchmark. Because that's the thing most people would do with a machine like that, when programming. Only makes sense.
What Apple showed with that benchmark was that the G5 was faster at a bunch of tasks people wouldn't necessarily want to perform under that set of circumstances.
I personally only started drooling after that. When Stevie Wonder showed Photoshop, Mathematica, Logic/Cubase, rendering and FCP stuff. That's what this beast is made for, that's why you'd buy a G5 instead of a Dell. Not only good soft, but screaming hardware... etc etc
And that's why this PC Mag article is for most people more interesting than two high-end machines running an open source all-purpose compiler.
Apart from that it shows the G5 in a decent light to a mostly PC audience. Could have been worse.
Disclaimer: if I were Apple I would have done the same thing. It might not excite me personally, but it did show the G5 advantage in a levelled field, set up by the best and most impartial people they could have hired.
I think, therefore I am...I think.
Actually the Xeon is a pretty crappy chip right now, not really comparable to a G5. The P4 is a much better comparison, but no dual support. Intel is really hurting for a good workstation chip right now, once they bring 800 MHz bus to the Xeon, they will be in better shape but they still are in trouble with the opteron/Athlon64.
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some objectivity can be found here:
http://www.spec.org
note that Apple don't have any results there yet. One should compare SPEC-sanctioned results with SPEC-sanctioned results.
Apologies for this off-topic post, but 'wherefore' translates better as 'why' than 'where' (as many people think).
:)
Juliet was basically saying "Why art thou Romeo" (as in why is he from a rival family) rather than asking where he is that that moment.
Therefore, you are asking Objectivity why it is what it is
...while you wait, component prices should drop an average of 3-5%, but you'll still pay the same amount for the Mac.
Did you even read my post?
The G5 still costs the same price it did in June, but the Dell costs $600 MORE than it did back then. I'd be interested to hear how little your theory on constantly-falling component prices explains that particular fact.
~Philly
It sounds like he's asking objectivity why it must be!
News flash kids: The line the dumbass grandparent post is stealing is from Romeo and Juliet.
Juliet, on her balcony, cries out "Oh, Romeo, Romeo... Wherefore art thou Romeo?"
What she is asking is "why must you be Romeo [the guy from the family we are having a blood feud with]?" Not "where are you, Romeo?" as so many people who should have failed High School literature seem to think.
The G5 is a sincerely new and strange chip with pipelines unlike its Motorola ancestors. Binaries designed for PPC/G3/G4 run inefficiently on the G5 compared to true native binaries.
Why didn't you just take the keyboard off and slide the card in?