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Torvalds And Cox Write EU Parliament On Patents

replicant_deckard writes "Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox have sent an open letter to the members of the European Parliament. They ask for strict limitations to software patents, argue for open standards and ask the members of the parliament to follow FFII's voting recommendations. Vote on the controversial software patents directive will be on Wednesday and it is expected to be a very close one. Well, do you believe these guys have any impact in Brussels?"

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  1. In case of slashdotting, break glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Subject: Open Letter on Software Patents from Linux developers
    Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:31:12 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Linus Torvalds

    Open Letter to
    the Honourable Pat Cox, the President of the European Parliament,
    members of the European Parliament:

    Dear Mr. Cox,

    We have been following with growing concern that Europe has been
    extending patentability to computer programs. Now European Parliament
    is about to vote on a directive that could put a stop to this
    development, or make it worse, depending on how it is amended by the
    Parliament.

    US experience shows that, unlike traditional patents, software patents
    do not encourage innovation and R&D, quite the contrary. In particular
    they hurt small and medium-sized enterprises and generally newcomers
    in the market. They will just weaken the market and increase spending
    on patents and litigation, at the expense of technological innovation
    and research.

    Especially dangerous are attempts to abuse the patent system by
    preventing interoperability as a means of avoiding competition with
    technological ability. Standards should never be patentable! Likewise,
    patents should never be used as means for preventing publication of
    information - the whole idea of patents is to provide time-limited
    monopoly in exchange for publication of the invention.

    Software patents are also the utmost threat to the development of
    Linux and other free software products, as we are forced to see every
    day while we work with the Linux development. We want to be able to
    provide the world with free high class, high quality, highly
    innovative software products that really empower the users and offer
    the best and only real chance to narrow the digital divide. Please do
    not make this harder to us that it already is! In conclusion, we would
    recommend You to vote for such amendments that

    * clarify limits of patentability so that computer programs,
    algorithms and business methods really cannot be patented as such;
    * make sure that patents cannot be abused to avoid technical
    competition by preventing interoperability of competing products; and
    * ensure that patents cannot be used to prevent publication of
    information.

    To that end we would suggest following FFII's voting recommendations
    on this directive (see www.ffii.org).

    Sincerely,

    Linus Torvalds Alan Cox"

  2. sure they have an impact by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 3, Informative

    The whole issue is running so bad (or meanwhile so good) because none of the members of the parliament was aware of the troubel.

    The new directive where brought up and prepared "silently", only noticed by the OS community. For the members of the parliament it was just a standard, "lets see that directive, and if nothing comes up we pass it" business.

    Now with all those demonstrations and arguments and prominent people sending letters and making visits, its unlike the directive passes.

    And if it does ... so what? It is canceled in less then 5 years because of the trouble we will get here in europe with EXISTING foreign software patents.

    angel'o'sphere

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  3. Re:Hard evidence that patents hurt? by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 3, Informative

    The problem with patenting software is because there is so little tangible form that the patent takes.

    With software patents, the court doesn't seem clear at all about what constitutes the "form" of the item being patented. It's not restricted to an instruction by instruction implementation. It's not limited to the particular computer language it's submitted in. It's down to the point of being so vague that now even just an abstract idea of something is enough to patent the item. It's to the point that one can patent an idea rather than an implementation.

    At least with razor blades and railroad car hitches, it was clear that no one was patenting the "idea" of "trimming hair on the human body" or "connecting railroad cars". The limits of their legal footing are clear. If I saw a way to make a cheaper, better, a meaningfully different item to cut human hair I can see where I might conflict with the Gillette company today. If I don't, then I can apply for protection of my implementation.

    In the world of software patents, the original patent has much more power. Everything that claims to do what the original patent does (no matter the implementation) conflicts with the first patent. In addition, if I come up with an intellectually better implementation, and the idea has already been "patented" by an older method, I don't want to try to patent or in any way reveal my methods because they won't get protection. The only way I can keep them is with closed source, trade secret methods.

    It would be hard to implement software patents based on implementation ("He wrote his patent in C? We'll write ours in Intel Assembly!") because it would be trivial to create an implementation of the same logic in another form. But the answer is not to allow patenting of ideas which appears to be what software patents have evolved into.

  4. Re:Mark this as the day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    The representatives to the EU are not elected
    How'd this get modded to "insighful" when s/he's just making shit up?
  5. Press release on the open letter by kaip · · Score: 2, Informative

    FYI, there is now also a press release on the open letter in the EFFI web pages (I just put it there).

  6. More resources, good summary at IP Justice by davetd02 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The not-for-profit organization IP Justice has a great summary of the isssue up at www.ipjustice.org and a collection of useful links here.

    Take a look. They also oppose the Directive on software patents.

  7. Re:Wrong guys, send RMS there instead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Yeah but why would RMS have a voice in Europe? He's not European so therefore not a constituent and his opinion wouldn't be cared about. Even if he can debate some well thought out points on intellectual property I don't think any EU representatives would care. Alan Cox at least lives in an EU country.

  8. Re:Wrong guys, send RMS there instead! by Wastl · · Score: 2, Informative

    RMS has a serious drawback. He is not European.:-)

    Sebastian

  9. Re:Impact? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    No impact in Brussels: that's where the EU executive is. The European Parliment is in Strasbourg.

    Geography apart, it may be possible to persuade the parliment, which is a representative democracy, to act sensibly. Trying to influence the executive directly is a lost cause.

  10. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    > how big a check are they including with their letter?


    No no, this is *Europe*, not the U$A..

  11. Re:You are dead wrong by chtephan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't forget, there is a public demonstration going on in Strasburg tomorrow in front of the EU Parliament.

  12. Re:hmm by Elektroschock · · Score: 2, Informative
    FFII and the Eurolinux Alliance are very strong in Brussels and they grow stronger every day. About 200 people now focus on this issue as activists on our mailing lists. You can subscribe to patent@aful.org or take part in theOnline demonstration or become a member/supporter of FFII or sign the Eurolinux Petition. You can support FFII by donations or even better by contributions. The European Parliament underestimated us. The patent lawyer slaves in Europarl came under strong pressure. We will be a mayor stakeholder in any future debate. The Green Party/EFA Groups impressed by our work even called for Open Source in the EU institutions:
    The Green/EFA group in the European Parliament has called on the EU, and in particular on the European Parliament, to support free/open-source software by introducing it into their IT systems. In a letter to the Secretary General of the Parliament, Julian Priestley, dated 9 September, the two Green/EFA Co-Presidents Monica Frassoni and Daniel Cohn-Bendit, argue that - as well as supporting Europe's software industry - switching to free and open source software would benefit the Parliament in terms of data continuity, technological independence and budgetary considerations. It would additionally take note of the Parliament's Echelon resolution, which recommended using non-proprietary software to increase technological security.
    I also would like to remind you that the US government lobbied against us, esp. against interoperability in the directive. The wrote a letter to EU parliamentarians. I think it is time to internationalize the debate and we need your help to get rid of EU, US, JP ecc. trivial software patents. Unfortunately OSI does not support anti-swpat action and very few US activists joined forces with us. An OSI representative (Russell Nelson) from the board of directors says they are "neutral" not really caring about Intellectual Property, and that's what is written in their FAQ.
  13. Re:in short by Alsee · · Score: 2, Informative

    The fact that software patents are bad for Linus does not change the fact that software patents are bad for almost everyone. It is almost exclusively a couple of megacorps pushing for them. They aren't doing so becuase it will benefit the public, they are doing so to crush smaller companies and independant programmers. They are doing it to eliminate competition.

    Software patents is no different than recipe for baking a chocolate cake or a player piano roll for a some song. All three are nothing more than a written set of instructions. Software is no more patentable than a recipe or music. Written information gets a COPYRIGHT, NOT A PATENT.

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