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Touch Screen Voting Industry Circling Wagons

bhoman writes "Salon has an interesting article/interview with the author of a forthcoming book, Black Box Voting, by Bev Harris, that looks at electronic voting machines, especially Diebold touchscreens. The story includes incriminating internal memos, cease and desist orders from Diebold, transcripts of an industry teleconference where Harris Miller of the ITAA brags of his lobbying experience, and documentation of a backdoor via an Access MDB with no password. This is for software currently being used in 37 states. "

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  1. An even realer link by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Insightful


    An open invitation to election fraud

    The U.S. government seems to me to be becoming more and more corrupt. As David Letterman recently said, "When you make out your check for the Iraq war, there are two Ls in Halliburton."

    Money seems to be everything, the health of the country nothing. McCain is right, we need campaign finance reform.

  2. Use open source in government by miodekk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The solution is simple: use open source software.
    Every software in government, which is paid for from citizens taxes, should be open source. So that every citizen (at least the one which is a programmer) could check whether the code is good and fair, especially in elections.

    Of course the code actually used in voting machines should be double checked by government professionals, but everyone should have an access to read the code.

    1. Re:Use open source in government by 11223 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Not when public accountability is a prime concern. It doesn't matter how much better the closed-source voting systems are. I can't audit them; I can't see what's going on.

      There is a vast difference between using some proprietary math program down at NASA and using a closed-source voting system. One of them results in a spacecraft that doesn't work; the other results in a government that doesn't work. You pick. :-)

    2. Re:Use open source in government by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He got in because of the 'old-sk00l' methods, and how reliable they are

      I call bullshit on you.

      George W. Bush won the 2000 election under the current American Electoral System. Sure, Gore may have won the popular vote, but that doesn't directly decide who the president is in this country.

      The mix-up in Florida was because people couldn't figure out a simple ballot. It was decided by the powers that be that Florida's electoral votes would go to Bush (well, that's a generalization, but the same idea).

      The moderators would have a better time with this if there was a Score: -1, Conservative.

  3. Silly, Silly, Silly by Tri0de · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love high tech as much as anyone on Slashdot, but paper ballots make a whole lot more sense: with even a modicum of security you have the originals for recount (recounts being actually pretty straightfoward Florida FUD not withstanding).

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    1. Re:Silly, Silly, Silly by Soko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Interesting idea.

      Perhaps the voting machine's purpose should be 2 fold - to do an electronic tally at the time of vote selection as well as print out a hard copy ballot recording the person's vote. Basically, the computer becomes a electronic front end to the usual system of voting with pen and paper, just replacing the pen, not the paper. This copy should be human readable so the voter can chack that the machine did indeed register his desired choices, as well as machine scannable to facilitate electronic re-counts. Heck, human readable means manual re-counts are available too. Technology has progressed far enough to do this reliably, hasn't it?

      Nothing like a hard copy audit trail...

      Soko

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  4. Re:The story becomes more mainstream... by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Depends how much they try to overlook it.

  5. no system checks? by vsync64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What really got me was the bit where one of their "engineers" was explaining how the "system test" is merely the normal POST. I'm currently in the process of writing a very simple inventory / cash flow management system for my employer, and I started building strict integrity checks and reports into it as one of my first steps. Meanwhile, the people making our voting machines can't be bothered?

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  6. I would never trust a machine... by ferratus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... for anything important such as voting. I'm a programmer, I do that for a living I've *never* seen a software project that didn't include quick hacks, known vulnerabilities by the dev team, ,a lazy programmer and a PHB.

    The fact the matter is, EVERY software project has stuff like that.

    I wouldn't trust a software (much less a closed source software) written by anyone (including NASA, govs, whatever) to do anything like this. And personally, I can't believe anyone who has worked in the industry would.

    And that is, regardless of the project management techniques, reviews, whatever.

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  7. Re:The story becomes more mainstream... by aqfoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I' waiting for this to happend, but it seems americans (USA americans, that is) don't give a damm for basic democratic principles. "The vote is secret" but a black box can record the order in which votes were cast, and *anybody* in the room knows the order in which voters came to the booth. "votes must be independently counted" black-box == !record there is no way for the representants of any party to check by hand. I was born in Costa Rica, the original banana-republic, but every costarrican child can explain to you why electronic voting in its present form is an invitation to electoral fraud. Do you trust the goverment of Florida to count the no-longer-exixting-ballots the right way?

  8. Open Source isn't the answer by swillden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Predictably, a bunch of /. responses focus on the fact that the source isn't available for public review as the primary problem, but that's irrelevant, and Bev Harris explained the correct solution quite clearly in the article.

    Open source wouldn't be a bad thing, mind you, but why bother auditing the code? What you really want is to audit the *results*, and the easiest, best solution to that is also the simplest: Have the touch screen machines print paper ballots with a nice list of races and selected candidates. Then the voter can verify that they actually voted the way they wanted to, and the paper ballots can be counted and compared with the computerized tallies by anyone who wants to question the system.

    As Harris points out, the fact that the manufacturers sem so dead-set on avoiding paper printing seems almost sinister... the solution is so obvious, and so simple that it makes you wonder what their true motivations are. They make a lot of noise about printers being too error-prone and difficult to operate, but that's just silly. Take a look at the thermal printers used by retail systems -- they work day in and day out for years with no more maintenance than replacing rolls of paper. Designing a workable printer for a voting booth wouldn't be trivial, but neither would it be an impossibility. The requirements are very simple: Be able to run for an entire day without jamming or running out of consumables, and print paper ballots that are easy to read and remain clear and legible for at least three years.

    There are various minor improvements that can be made to this idea, such as a machine-readable section of the ballot to make automated verification easier, etc., but at bottom paper achieves a level of transparency and reliability that no purely automated system can ever achieve, no matter how many geeks have pored over the code.

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  9. Keep the touchscreens, but... by Space+Coyote · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead of storing the vote electronically, have the voting machine print off your ballot once you've voted, which you would then place into the ballot box. Increased accessibility and usability, no spoiled / ambiguous ballots, and no chance for loyal party members to control the electronic voting.

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  10. Open Source Is Not THe Answer by StormyMonday · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not the whole answer, at least.

    We need to check, not only that the software has no obvious backdoors, but that

    • The source code that is used corresponds to the source code that is audited (no "last minute fixes")
    • The object code that is linked corresponds to the source code
    • The executable that is in the machine is the same as the code that has been autited
    • The compiler hasn't been screwed with
    • The system libraries haven't been screwed with
    • The OS hasn't been screwed with
    • The BIOS hasn't been screwed with
    • The hardware hasn't been screwed with
    • There isn't any extra info hidden in any nonvolatile memory

    I'm not that paranoid; there are probably any number of other things that could be screwed with and still have the code pass any kind of review with flying colors.

    Paper ballots are the only answer.

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  11. Re:the only solution... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It to open the source for these "voting machines" so they can continually undergo a public review.
    There are two things you need to secure against tampering: the voting and tallying process, and the resulting data. Open source inspection, while certainly useful to verify the priciples of operation of the voting machines, is not sufficient to prevent tampering with either the tallying process or the resulting data.

    You will want to ensure that the machine accurately registers and tallies votes. Verifying the source alledgedly used in all the machines is not sufficient: you'd need to inspect the (sufficiently large) CRC of the binaries on each and every of the voting machines. You'll want to verify that they are indeed running the software that you have inspected, not some doctored version.

    Even if all machines produce accurate data, that will do little good if anyone can edit the resulting data file, or if the totals are communicated to a central counting facility through a means which allows easy forgery of the results.

    The problem with any electronic voting system is its intransparency, not of the program source, but of the voting and tallying process. Once the job of vote registration and counting is delegated to a machine, it becomes invisible. It is like handing a box of paper ballots to anyone in the streets and asking him to tally up the votes without any supervision. You'll have no idea of the accuracy of the resulting count, unless you are able to recount yourself... and for that, you need a paper trail.

    I firmly believe that any electronic voting needs to be accompanied by a paper trail, and that the counts must be subject to verification of a recount using this paper trail. An electronic voting machine should either produce a paper ballot which the voter can inspect and post in a lockbox, or it should scan a paper ballot on which the voter has indicated his choice by hand. There arer very good reasons to trust paper ballots over electronic ones that are hidden inside some machine:
    - The voter has tangible assurance that the vote that is deposited is the one that he has cast
    - The counting rersults are verifiable: the counting can take place in a group of people from all stakeholders in the election, who will all watch each other.
    - In case of doubt, a recount can take place using the original ballots counted by a different group of people.
    - Most importantly: paper ballots are incredibly hard to forge in bulk, and it is very hard to introduce a significant amount of them into the counting process.
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  12. It's a basic principle, all right by John+Miles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, that's not a basic democratic principle. That's a current principle used to encourage everyone to vote without fear of reprisal, but it's hardly a fundamental aspect of the system.

    There are at least two reasons why you want secret balloting, one of them rather subtle. The obvious one is to prevent voter intimidation; the other is to keep people from being able to bring evidence that they voted for a particular candidate outside the confines of the voting booth.

    Otherwise, I can park across the street with a sign reading, "$1 Paid For Each Vote for Candidate X" and buy votes from people coming out of the polling place with proof of their vote. Some of the machines being discussed would enable corrupt voters to do exactly that.

    You really don't want to have any way to associate individual voters with their votes during or after an election. I'm sure there are tons of potential exploits beyond the few that I've heard of or thought of myself. Dropping the voter-secrecy requirement would be a major step in the ongoing banana-republicization of America.

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  13. mechanical voting! by goon+america · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I don't know how you guys do it, but in my district we use these large mechanical voting machines. There is a wide board of switchs, you flip the switches for the candidates you want and then pull a big lever that resets all the switches to a neutral position and records your vote.

    I don't have a verifiable paper trail, but I've never worried about something "hacking" a big box of gears, "bugs" in the gears, the big box of gears going on the fritz, or the gears being made to somehow fit some nefarious purpose. You can't "patch" the gears remotely.

    I see no ways that this system is inferior to a touch screen system. THEY SHOULD USE WHATEVER VOTING SYSTEM WORKS THE BEST, NOT THE ONE THAT'S THE MOST "ADVANCED" AND EXPENSIVE.

    Thank you.

  14. Re:the only solution... by rossjudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It strikes me as incredible that the "technical" people writing these emails are engaged in such Mickey Mouse chatter, and so interested in just cranking out something, anything that will work. I just don't see how electronic voting is really all that hard to engage in...as long as you have your priorities straight.

    There are two primary things we want to accomplish with EVotes -- first, we want to make the voting process easier to engage in. Second, we want to make the counting process more efficient (less costly). We would also like to reduce the error rate, to the extent that we are able.

    A touch screen voting interface, big and clear and nice, is exactly what we need to help walk people through the process. We can't, though, rely on the software in these machines. One read through the memos above should convince you as to why -- these people just have no idea what they're doing. Basic? Access databases? Windows? My god.

    What this says to me is that we simply cannot get away from paper. So what we want is a system that makes paper easier to use, leaves a paper trail for auditing and verification purposes, and provides ample opportunity for error checking by the voter and by election officials.

    We use the touch screen to answer questions. At the end of the voting session, the system prints a "vote" and electronically tabulates the results. The voter verifies that his printed vote matches what's on the tabulation screen. The voter then folds his paper vote and deposits it with election officials in a good old fashioned ballot box.

    We can then use the electronic tabulation to check quickly on the results -- this is quite efficient. We will also engage in a substantial amount of verification, by counting the paper votes by hand and verifying this against totals learned electronically. The paper always wins, in this system. We do not necessarily need to count all of the paper votes -- we can use random sampling.

    It seems like a win in both directions, for me. Risks include unacceptable printout quality (printer wear), and insufficient random verification.

  15. Re:the only solution... by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ISO 9001 described manufacturing and processes.

    The important thing to remember about ISO9001 is that it's perfectly OK for an ISO9001 shop to fling completed motherboards frisbee style across the warehouse so that it hits the wall and lands in the pile for packaging/shipping as long as that is the written procedure.

    It says nothing about quality, it doesn't even assure consistancy (some boards may actually function after the above proicedure, it's random dumb luck). All it really assures is that somebody paid some ISO9001 auditors a hefty chunk of cash.

    The real primary goal of ISO9001 is to remove all human thought from the process so that low paid unskilled labor can operate like expensive industrial robots.

    Note that the original INTENT was to force a company to think about it's procedures in an organized manner and so make improvements in their process and in the process generate good solid and complete operational manuals. Unfortunatly, that rarely happens due to managers and ISO auditors taking what should be a manual of good ideas and raising it up to the status of holy scripture.

    It is cynically amusing to listen to people in an ISO company talking about procedures in the manual. They sound EXACTLY like door-to-door bible thumpers quoting scripture. It's not at all unusual to find walls plastered with posters repeating the same 'inspirational' phrase everywhere. The phrase is so pervasive that it no longer carries meaning, but instead invokes conditioned response, not unlike a particularly dysfunctional religious cult.

    It never once occurs to them that the outcome is what is important and that procedures should be re-written if/when they lead to a poor outcome.