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Slashback: Card, Fortran, Legibility

Slashback tonight brings you more on recent RIAA madness, the readability of scrambled words, word of the return of Nullsoft's WASTE, another decision against the FTC's do-not-call list, and more -- read on for the details. The issue is greyer than you might think. SirFozzie writes "A Denver, Colorado judge has blocked the implementation of the Do-Not-Call List for a 2nd time, hours after the House and Senate passed the bill overwhelmingly, claiming that telemarketer's free speech rights would be infringed if this was to take affect. In the MSNBC story, judge Edward Nottingham ruled that "The Federal Trade Commission has chosen to entangle itself too much in the consumers' decision by manipulating consumer choice and favoring speech by charitable (organizations) over commercial speech." What's next? Constitutional Amendment?"

Follow-up: Can You Raed Tihs? meal worms writes "A Slashdot article appearing last Monday, which reported on the claim that scrambled words are legible as long as first and last letters are in place, was circulated to the University of British Columbia's Linguistics department. An interesting counter-example resulted:

"Anidroccg to crad cniyrrag lcitsiugnis planoissefors at an uemannd, utisreviny in Bsitirh Cibmuloa, and crartnoy to the duoibus cmials of the ueticnd rcraeseh, a slpmie, macinahcel ioisrevnn of ianretnl cretcarahs araepps sneiciffut to csufnoe the eadyrevy oekoolnr."
As demonstrated, a simple inversion of the internal characters results in a text which is relatively hard to decipher."

Addendum to Tough California Anti-Spam Law Signed On September 23, we mentioned California's new spam-ban law; srmalloy writes "The text of the new law, added by S.B. 186, is here."

Now you can WASTE away again in Margaritaville. adamsmith_uk writes "WASTE is open source small P2P network software supporting IM, group chat, file browsing/searching, and file transfer. It was released by Nullsoft and then removed by AOL, its parent company, in matter of hours. WASTE is now up to version 1.1 and back on Sourceforge. Get it while you can!"

Next time, Gadget Grandmother ... next time! FrankBama writes "The RIAA sued a grandmother for sharing over 2,000 songs (including 'I'm A Thug' by Trick Daddy). The EFF got involved and RIAA dropped the suit. This was done as a 'gesture of good faith' but the record industry spokesperson says they still think it's the right account.

260 other defendants still outstanding."

More of Orson Scott Card on Net music sharing. happy_place writes "FYI, you reported the first part earlier, here's the PART 2 of Orson Scott Card's political discussion on the stupidity of the record industry subpeona frenzy."

This part of the agenda is not supposed to be hidden. Stealthgirl writes "Note to everyone on the Hidden Agenda Contest that was mentioned over the weekend: There was a lot of feedback about only undergrads being eligible for the $25,000 prize. The rules have been clarified and full time grad students are welcome as well."

Update: Ah, yes: The Fortran bit. Thomas Beuthe writes "With regards to your slashdot Fortran article of the 16 Sept 2003 entitled 'Is GNU g77 Killing Fortran?,' I just wanted to make you aware of a fully featured alternative to g77 that perhaps everyone should consider using. Please go to Walt Brainerd's site: www.fortran.com (yes, he was the one who got *that* site!) and have a look at the "F" compiler.

I discussed the problem of the lack of a good freeware compiler and its influence on the lack of Fortran education and propagation of the language with him personally when he was here giving a Fortran course. He pointed out the "F" compiler to me. This is a fully compliant compiler which he put together himself.

The source code is actually the NAG compiler, I believe, except that he's hobbled it a bit to allow it to go out for free. This means that he has restricted the syntax a little, but not the functionality. So what you get is a fully funtional compiler which is restricted to what Walt considers to be the 'best' syntax for Fortran! This makes perfect sense for education, but also allows full useage for big projects as well!

Neat eh?"

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  1. Phone calls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Yahoo says:

    Edward U Nottingham, (303) 844-5018, 1929 Stout St, Denver, CO 80294

    If this really is Judge Nottingham, how do you think that he would feel about Americans exercising their free speech rights to telephone him? Please, one call only, you don't want to be impolite.

    1. Re:Phone calls by magarity · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's the address of the US Court building, whose occupants are unlikely to take kindly to crank calls.

  2. Translation by BuffJoe · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Anidroccg to crad cniyrrag lcitsiugnis planoissefors at an uemannd, utisreviny in Bsitirh Cibmuloa, and crartnoy to the duoibus cmials of the ueticnd rcraeseh, a slpmie, macinahcel ioisrevnn of ianretnl cretcarahs araepps sneiciffut to csufnoe the eadyrevy oekoolnr."

    "According to card carrying linguistics professionals at an unnamed, university in British Columbia, and contrary to the dubious claims of the uncited research, a simple, mechanical inversion of internal characters appears sufficient to confuse the everyday onlooker."

  3. Judge's finding in the Denver DNC-list case by Goonie · · Score: 2, Informative
    The finding is available as this PDF document.

    Haven't had a chance to read it yet...

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  4. Not very well hidden agenda by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the "technical requirements" section:

    The Hidden Agenda team reserves the right to build your game for a platform other than the one for whichyou designed your game. We also reserve the right to, or not to distribute and/or sell your game through whatever distribution channel or method we see fit.

    Translation:

    "We'll give you $25,000 for what would have cost us ten to a hundred times that to produce ourselves. Have fun splitting with your team half of what we would have had to pay just one full time developer for an annual salary. You slave away, we profit."

    Nice to see that slashdot editors are still getting suckered into giving people free advertising. It all seems very clever, until you realized just how quickly you figured out The Catch.

    1. Re:Not very well hidden agenda by CrackHappy · · Score: 2, Informative

      No crap! I was reading the rules, and the fact that you completely sign away EVERYTHING related to the game you make, in return for $25,000 IF YOU WIN. WHAT about all the OTHER people who enter with good games but don't win? Guess what? You just slaved away to create a good game that someone else is going to sell, and you don't get a damned penny!

      What a load of bull, and I really hope you aspiring developers don't fall for this baloney.

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  5. Re:Huh? by kfg · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, what I am saying, and what the judge said, is that the law cannot make distinctions between solicitous speech because such distinctions are reserved to the citizen.

    The reason some such law, when properly drafted, will ultimately pass Constitutional muster is that it is an "opt out" law. The law as written opts you in to certain calls whether you want them or not.

    The judge's decision stands in of your rights actually, not the rights of the callers.

    If you are a Jehovah's Witness, or a Congressman running for reelection, you may find the fact that people have the right to choose not listen to you offensive.

    At the risk of being selfserving myself here is a link to a post I made earlier today explaining my views on the legality of the do not call list:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=79968&cid=70 57 852

    If the do not call list had made a distinction between various kinds of speech, but had allowed the citizen to opt out of each seperately this law might have met the Constitutional challenge.

    "Press One if you don't want religous fanatics bothering you at dinner.

    Press Two if you think your Congressman is a religous fanatic.

    If you've simply had it up to here press Three, and then cancel your phone service.

    Have nice, quiet day."

    KFG

  6. Re:CNN... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    considering there have been two federal courts already rule against the do not call list

    No, that is inaccurate. One federal court has ruled against the Do-Not-Call list. The other federal court merely ruled against an implementation detail of the Do-Not-Call list, or more specifically ruled against the ability of the FTC to implement the Do-Not-Call list without a mandate to do so from Congress or from the FCC.

    it _does_ create two classes of speech, something the government cannot regulate.

    It does not create a class of speech. It simply uses the existing two classes of speech, commercial and non-commercial, that already exist as a fixture of law and have for a long time.

  7. Open source Fortran by mjc_w · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is another open source Fortran. Look at

    http://www.openwatcom.org/

    To quote the site,

    Open Watcom is a joint effort between SciTech Software Inc, Sybase(R), and the Open Source development community to maintain and enhance the Sybase Watcom C/C++ and Fortran compiler products. Plans for Open Watcom include porting the compiler to the Linux and FreeBSD platforms, as well as updating the compilers to support the latest C and C++ ANSI standards.

    The Open Watcom development team has released version 1.1. You can download the source and binaries here.

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    1. Re:Open source Fortran by tiohero · · Score: 3, Informative

      Intel's Fortran compiler for Linux is FREE for non-commerical use (not open-source). I'm told that it is very good. Its about time that there was a free F90/F95 compiler available. Intel F90 Compiler. I think that this will go a long way in promoting LINUX as a base for advanced scientific computing.

    2. Re:Open source Fortran by tiohero · · Score: 2, Informative
      Here's a low cost alternative: The old MICROSOFT F90 Fortran Developer Studio (Fortran PowerStation 4.0) makes an EXCELLENT development platform for Fortran on WIN32. MS sold the product line to Digital/Compaq several years ago. The compiler is very robust and seems to be the most compatible with external source libraries compared with other Win32 F90/F95 compilers that I've tried.

      You should be able to locate a copy of the developer suite from ~1995 on Ebay for very cheap. I typically write/debug my F90 code on the MS compiler amd then recompile it on a UNIX workstation for problems that require a large memory domain.(Computational fluids problems)

  8. Fortran and F by khb · · Score: 4, Informative

    While Walt was certainly a major part of the F effort, it was not his work alone. Dick Hendrickson, David Epstein, Michael Metcalf, John Reid and Loren Meissner all had hands in it (working from memory).

    In it's early days, it was a preprocessor which enforced restrictions, and relied upon a full compiler behind it to actually do the compilation. It used to be mated to more than one compiler as a backend.

  9. HERE YOU GO - Plaintiffs' lawyers' contact info by MobileDude · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sean R.-Gallagher, Esq.
    Marianne N. Hallinan, Esq.
    Hogan & Hartson
    1200 17d1 Street, Suite 1500
    Denver, CO 80202
    Attorneys for Plaintiffs

    DENVER OFFICE
    One Tabor Center
    1200 Seventeenth Street, Suite 1500
    Denver, CO 80202
    Tel: (303) 899-7300
    Fax: (303) 899-7333
    Contact: Ty Cobb
    Niki Tuttle

    Send SEAN an email:
    http://www.hhlaw.com/site/directory/contac t.asp?at t_id=2410&att_nm=Sean+R%2E+Gallagher

    Say "Hello!" to Marianne:
    http://www.hhlaw.com/site/photos/5509.j pg

    Or, perhaps, call their Washington, DC home office:
    WASHINGTON, D.C. OFFICE
    555 Thirteenth Street, NW
    Washington, DC 20004
    Tel: (202) 637-5600
    Fax: (202) 637-5910
    Contact: Warren Gorrell

    Robert Com-Revere, Esq.
    Ronald G. London, Esq.
    Davis Wright Tremaine, LLP
    1500 K Street, N. W., Suite 450
    Washington, D.C. 20005
    Attorneys for Plaintiffs

    Washington, D.C. Office
    Suite 450
    1500 K Street NW
    Washington, D.C. 20005-1272
    Main: (202) 508-6600
    Fax: (202) 508-6699
    Email: washingtondc@dwt.com

    Robbie's personal page with phone, email, and !!! Outlook VCard!
    http://www.dwt.com/lawdir/attorneys/CornRe vereRobe rt.cfm

    Ronnie's 'neck-o' the woods' with the same
    http://www.dwt.com/lawdir/attorneys/LondonRo nald.c fm

    I'm sure they'll enjoy citizens using their published information as much as we love telemarkets using ours....

    ENJOY!

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  10. Re:Huh? by kfg · · Score: 2, Informative


    "Nottingham agreed with the telemarketers' claims that allowing charitable solicitations but banning commercial calls "borrows from the reasoning of the pigs in George Orwell's 'Animal Farm.' ... 'Some animals are more equal than others.'"
    The judge granted a summary judgment to the telemarketing firms, and barred the FTC from launching the registry next week.
    "The Federal Trade Commission has chosen to entangle itself too much in the consumers' decision by manipulating consumer choice and favoring speech by charitable (organizations) over commercial speech," the judge wrote."


    From the article, quoting the judge.

    I think you'll find it line with my original post.

    KFG

  11. Re:Counter-example Typos explained? by zerocool^ · · Score: 2, Informative

    but the longer ones take considerably more processing since there are more preumttaions that have to be evaulated and rejected

    26 times more, in fact.

    11,881,376 versus 308,915,776

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  12. Re:CNN... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Informative
    Now, granted, there is no right to privacy guaranteed in the constitution, but through precedent, it is a *well* established right.

    Excellent post. I should like to add that those who would claim that the "right to privacy" isn't a real right because the US Constitution doesn't mention it, well they need to refer to the 9th amendment:

    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    In other words, just because they didn't put it on their "top ten list", that doesn't mean it don't exist.

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  13. The fortran bit - WATFIV by earthforce_1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    My dream compiler, back in the days when I was doing high school CS assignments using mark sense cards on an IBM 370. (Aaah, those were the days)

    I quick google search revealed that a native 8086 version of it is now freely available at:

    http://digilander.libero.it/saracos/Download/utl il ty.htm

    Funny how a University of Waterloo compiler would wind up in Italy. Now, if I can just spark up an old PC-XT somewhere...

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  14. Nobody has mentioned ... by emkman · · Score: 2, Informative

    One of the best features of WASTE is that it is fully secure, using link-level encryption and public key authentication.

    "Security: WASTE uses link-level encryption to secure links, and public keys for authentication. RSA is used for session key exchange and authentication, and the links are encrypted using Blowfish in PCBC mode."

    Also, it should be noted that waste is only for small scale use, around 50 nodes at most.

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  15. you evaluated the wrong problem by pwarf · · Score: 2, Informative

    The problem at hand is the number of ways of arranging five or six particular letters (as is the case for the Jumbles(R) puzzles in some newspapers).

    Your numbers are those for the number of distinct six- and five-letter orderings from all 26 letters, allowing repetition.

    As noted by a burried AC post, the numbers for the problem at hand are 6! and 5!, giving an increase in the number of permutations of a factor of six (assuming all the letters are distinct, which is less likely with the longer jumbles, but whatever).

  16. WASTE WASTE WASTE fork fork fork by Master+Controll+Prog · · Score: 3, Informative
    this vesrion of waste is better. do not use the other version. it is not as secure. it is not as stable.
    For those of you running the SourceForge version, I HIGHLY recommend you stop running it. Were you aware that all of your chats are logged by default? Does it not seem odd that your ENCRYPTED application logs all of your chat in plain text? That is NOT good. This is a change that will be added back in later as a preference, but is disabled in the GDA version. It also has several crash symptoms in various configurations. It also logs your downloads to your first SHARED directory, that's not good. You can download the WASTE.exe available on the GDA ( http://waste.globaldisarray.org) website and copy it directly over your existing one. The libraries in use are identical.
  17. Re:Corporations Are Legal Persons by MrLint · · Score: 2, Informative

    indeed sir indeed. However i recall seeing about a book a while back that claims that that was not the actual decision.

    There is a book called "Unequal Protection" by Thom Hartmann about this topic. I haven't yet had a chance to read it.

    However your insight is valuable, so as of 1886 corporations had no rights.. what a terrible police state disaster that must have been.. Govt censoring the press and all sorts of bad stuff like that. I mean if you look at some of the other comments in this thread. That how people assume it must have been. Right? (add sarcasm liberally)

  18. scrnabled letetrs by Pope+Raymond+Lama · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually,as soon as I got the meme mail with the news on the "scrambled letters are readable", I've put together this script to do it.

    As I noted that a large text could become hard to read, I choose to limit the scrambling only to the 2nd-5th letters of each word...gives out great readability.

    To get the source, go one directory up.

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  19. Re:F is not Fortran by tony_gardner · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except that you wasted two days essentially redoing what was already a finished project. The staples of FORTRAN are longitivity, usability and speed. Think about this: pretty much every FORTRAN code ever written can be compiled with a current complient f90 or f95 compiler. And this includes the pre fortran 66 stuff which is still amazingly abundant in the scientific world.

    If you want FORTRAN without the bad habits use Pascal.