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Ransom Love, Caldera Co-Founder Interviewed

rootmon writes "The interview focuses mostly on Ransom Love's views of SCO Group's current dispute with IBM and the Free/Open Source Software Community. It also provides some insights on why Caldera purchased the UNIX business of SCO and their joint Monterey project with IBM. In summary, Love's view is 'My belief is that Unix and Linux should co-exist and should look and feel the same to application developers. Fundamentally, I would not have pursued SCO's path. You see, the challenge is building business. Litigation, no matter what side you're on, tears down businesses. Only the attorneys win. Companies should focus their energies on building their businesses, not on lawsuits. I don't see any positive outcomes.'"

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  1. Huh? by El · · Score: 4, Informative

    The idea was to enable developers to write for both Unix and Linux with a common Application Programming Interface (API) and common Application Binary Interface (ABI).
    I thought that we already had that, and that it was called POSIX. Am I missing something here?

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    "Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney

    1. Re:Huh? by weston · · Score: 4, Informative

      I thought we already had that, and that it was called POSIX. Am I missing something here?

      Yes. Whatever standards compliance POSIX brings to various operating systems, it doesn't necessarily mean you have commen API/system calls, and definitely doesn't guarantee binary compatibility across systems. You've probably noticed that apps don't always make/compile across *NIX systems (let alone other POSIX compliant systems like WinNT) -- hence the need for autoconf and its ilk.

      It sounds like their initial goal was to open up the UNIX stuff they got from SCO, building a better Linux in the process. When they found they couldn't do that without IP encumbrance, they changed their goal: to create a UNIX product which had whatever edges they thought they'd inherited but would also run Linux apps on IA32/64, no problem.

      And when their plans with IBM went awry -- and it sounds like Love thinks IBM wasn't ethical -- they stopped, and the current folks decided to pick legal fights with IBM and the open source community.

    2. Re:Huh? by dthable · · Score: 4, Informative

      POSIX isn't a binary specification. I can't take a program compiled on Solaris and run in under HPUX. POSIX attempts to make a basic set of items the same on all *ix machines so I can compile the code on different platforms....even that's asking for a lot.

      There's bound to be a number of issues with binaray compatability cross a number of chipsets.

    3. Re:Huh? by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Informative

      POSIX doesn't require the OS interface to be the same. It specifies a set of functions that a programmer must be able to use, and a set of userland programs that must exist. How those functions are implemented differs greatly. Many of them don't actually exist in the OS, but are created from simpler primitives by the libc library.

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      I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
  2. consistant by YouHaveSnail · · Score: 4, Informative

    Those comments seem pretty consistant with what Mr. Love has said in the past. Here are some other interviews he's done:

    LWN at Comdex 2000: http://old.lwn.net/2000/features/Comdex/RansomLove .php3

    Linux Journal, Aug. 2000: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5406

  3. Speaking of Stock price... by Erik_the_Awful · · Score: 5, Informative

    SCO is taking on water. Looks like Wall Street finally figured out that investing in SCO == big loss. Check http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=SCOX"

  4. Bullhonkey... by fuqqer · · Score: 5, Informative

    With regards to the quote..."Only the attorneys win. "

    Reginald Broughton, the Senior VP of SCO, has made approximately $1,493,650 since June 20, 2003 in stock sale.

    Man, I wish I had the balls/money to perpetuate this scam. The worst they'll get is a slap on the wrist. If the Enron execs have gotten as little punishment as they have, what makes slashdotters think that the Federal SEC is gonna give a crap. Especially since it's a puny company perpetuating a stock scam based on a computer OS barely anybody outside of the technical realm has heard of.

    Not trolling, but at least it makes a lot of publicity for Linux in the business world and no publicity is bad publicity.

    -non trolling sig- You're already read this...it's too late not to finish.

  5. Re:ABI issues by greed · · Score: 4, Informative

    ELF isn't even enough to specify an ABI. ELF simply gives you the linker and loader format.

    You still have to deal with minor issues like:
    - Which way does the stack grow?
    - Which register is the stack pointer (not always dictated by the hardware, especially on RISC chips)
    - Which register is used for globals? How is global data accessed? (TOC and GOT are two techniques; load-time address mapping is another one.)
    - How are structure members laid out in memory? Padding and alignment requirements are influenced by the hardware, but that doesn't always mean the ABI is the most obvious interpretation of the hardware specs.
    - What function arguments are in registers, which are on the stack? How are "ellipsis" functions handled? How are K&R argument promotions handled? How are aggregates passed? Are small aggregates (such as char[4]) are passed in a register, on the stack, or by pointer. Same with large floats, is a quad float passed by address or value?
    - Setjmp/longjmp, how do they work?
    - How does a stack frame look? If this isn't standard, exception handling can't unwind the stack, debuggers can't do a backtrace, and so on.
    - Where's the heap? Register pointer, fixed segment, what?

    While it is possible to have an ABI that is common across operating systems on the same CPU architecture, it is impossible to have the same ABI across CPU architectures. You just can't use R31 as a stack pointer on IA32; there isn't one. You can't use SPARC register windows on PowerPC. And so on.