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CIA Pursues Anti-Terrorism Videogame

Thanks to the Washington Times for their story revealing the CIA is developing a videogame aimed at helping its analysts think like terrorists. The agency is working with the Institute Of Creative Technologies, who helped the Army set up development of Full Spectrum Warrior, and according to the article: "The game will select a scenario that could involve analysts playing terrorist-cell leaders or members, a terrorist 'money mover' or a facilitator", or alternatively "a U.S. Customs agent, or even a cooperative or hostile neighbor living next to a terrorist", to help anti-terrorism workers "think outside the box."

53 comments

  1. i thought this game was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    i thought this game was already available from rockstar games??

  2. the opposite of rainbow six... by Blob+Pet · · Score: 1

    They should recruit Tom Clancy for this project.

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  3. Cyber Terrorist by !the!bad!fish! · · Score: 1
    They can't find any real cyber terrorist so they're going to make their own.

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  4. Terrorists by vasqzr · · Score: 1


    "The game will select a scenario that could involve analysts playing terrorist-cell leaders or members, a terrorist 'money mover' or a facilitator", or alternatively "a U.S. Customs agent, or even a cooperative or hostile neighbor living next to a terrorist"

    [sarcasm]
    How about homeland terrorists that make potato guns or swap P2P files [/sarcasm]

  5. Didn't... by Kethinov · · Score: 1
    the CIA is developing a videogame aimed at helping its analysts think like terrorists.
    Didn't counter strike already do that?
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    1. Re:Didn't... by kaellinn18 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes it did. Counterstrike led the pack, setting up such realistic scenarios as 1) blowing up a pile of crates in the middle of the desert 2) blowing up a pile of crates in a slightly different desert 3) blowing up a pile of crates in a small town and 4) blowing up a highly classified, nationally vital Aztec temple. Not to mention showing the world just how instantly lethal being shot in the foot can be.

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  6. Here's a game that's already been made... by Randolpho · · Score: 1

    They want to think like a terrorist, right? Here's a game that's already been made:

    Kaboom: Suicide Bomber

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    1. Re:Here's a game that's already been made... by f64 · · Score: 1


      uhm. yeah. that was. uhm. in extremely fucking poor taste...

      f64 : being appaled since the invention of morons

    2. Re:Here's a game that's already been made... by Randolpho · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know. :)

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  7. Re:Recruit Tom Clancy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ... after all, he is an avid wearer of Naval caps. He must be good.

  8. Easy by 4of12 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thinking like a terrorist involves two things:

    1. Living in conditions that you perceive as less than acceptable.
    2. Believing that the fundamental cause of those conditions is due to $THEM.
    One man's terrorist is another's valiant freedom-fighter.

    It's all based on perception.

    Until we address the root problem of living conditions (as well as - and not just - their perception) and the belief systems that blame others we'll always get new terrorists to replace the old ones that get killed off.

    And, yes, we have to examine our own self interests in the cold light of logic, because a lot of times the perception of less than acceptable conditions is somewhat correct and the belief that someone else is responsible is somewhat correct.

    But the world is still not ready to adequately address either the issues of commercial freedom and of religious freedom. Until then, we're propagating the problem and treating symptoms instead of root causes.

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    1. Re:Easy by !the!bad!fish! · · Score: 2, Funny
      Thinking like a terrorist involves two things:
      1. Living in conditions that you perceive as less than acceptable.
      2. Believing that the fundamental cause of those conditions is due to $THEM.
      Isn't that thinking like a teenager?

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    2. Re:Easy by I+am+Kobayashi · · Score: 1

      Why not just hire the "terrorists/freedom-fighters" to make the games? Thus, solving condition number 1 above, and killing two birds with one stone so to speak...

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    3. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, yeah. When did you think the terrorists and suicide bombers are recruited?

      Luckily though, for most teenagers, the $THEM is simply their parents and/or direct supervisors (teachers etc). For others, $THEM = "US", which is not all that inappropriate considering what the US has done over the last few hundred years.

    4. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure it doesn't have something to do with, I don't know, Radical Islam as well? Terrorism is not well correlated with standard of living around the world. It usually requires a strong ideological push as well.

    5. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like all the billions in foreign aid? Sounds a lot like teen-ager mentality to me.

    6. Re:Easy by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 1

      "Isn't that thinking like a teenager?"

      Now you know why teenagers are so dangerous. They think just like terrorists! ;)

    7. Re:Easy by Emnar · · Score: 1
      Actually, there's strong evidence that welfare causes terrorism.

      http://slate.msn.com/default.aspx?id=2071033
      http://slate.msn.com/default.aspx?id=2067837
      http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/2002_09_29 _corner-archive.asp#85505821
      http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Artic les/000/000/001/435tebxi.asp

      (You may have to search for "welfare" on the pages above to find the section addressing the link.)

    8. Re:Easy by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1
      from a mideast [or native american late 1800's?] point of view yes. After all, you're paying somebody to stay down. Typically you're paying something you can live without [even millions of american $$ are a drop in the bucket] to get people to "lay down" and just barely be alive, but not enough to actually get out of the situation....Not that the "helping power" would ever WANT them out of the situation.

      That leads to anger, hate, violence, more suffering...

      of course you can make the same claim about Corperate Welfare as well...MS monopoly, Enron, Worldcom, S&L 90's, DMCA, UTCIA...Just like the slums they accept it, demand it, then grow to hate you for giveing it to them too!

    9. Re:Easy by mink · · Score: 1

      Problem is not all terrorists are followers of radical Islam.

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  9. if they need a 'game'... by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "help anti-terrorism workers 'think outside the box.'"

    When I saw this originally reported, I couldn't help thinking 'no way'...

    For one thing, they'll be swapping a 'box' created by assumptions for one supplied by the 'game' writers. Hasn't anyone just said to them, 'take five days off and come up with ten real world examples of terrorist vectors.'

    Seriously, this worries the life out of me.

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    1. Re:if they need a 'game'... by kisrael · · Score: 1

      Mod Parent Up...I was thinking the exact same thing. Only a game on an engine about as complex as life itself could cover all the possibilities that a thinking outside the box terrorist has.

      Frankly, paper-and-dice roleplaying would have a better bet at getting to something real.

      And you know, given how many ways we're vulnerable, it's a little surprising nothing has happened.

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    2. Re:if they need a 'game'... by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As entertainment, we once created a science-fiction scenario that involved four different groups of people trying to stop a terrorist attack on a space elevator. The (large) group of people was split into four groups; counter-terrorism units, police, corporate sponsors and terrorists...runners were used to take messages between each group and there were GMs available that would release information as and when 'stuff' happened.

      Needless to say that it started off in complete chaos, but as people got into the rhythm it was interesting to see the dynamic emerge...

      All the hostages died, though.

      But this kind of exercise is reliant on technology supplying the answers when they should be geting people to use ingenuity by saying, 'okay, you want to kill hundreds of people. How do you do it?'.

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  10. Couldn't they just do this with a 'SimTerrorist' by Mordant · · Score: 3, Funny

    expansion pack?

    Instead of bricking up your neighbors so that they starve to death, your family could build pipe-bombs and plant them throughout the neighborhood!

  11. NationBuilder? by RobotWisdom · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think a videogame for thinking like a terrorist is almost a contradiction in terms, but a videogame like SimCity for anticipating problems like those in the occupation of Iraq could be a real winner-- but it should be designed by the people who are in charge of finding solutions.

    The main goal would be winning the Iraqis' trust, so one of the most important rules would be that accidentally killing a bystander would drain local trust levels. Meanwhile you'd have to inventory and prioritize the gaps in the infrastructure, and then deploy improvements while guarding materials from theft.

    Establishing a local police force would be another major headache-- somehow you have to quickly decide who's trustworthy.

    I've been wondering why the first order of business for Garner/Bremmer wasn't to issue new id-cards to every Iraqi while building a database of past histories and who-recommends-whom. Libertarians might scream but it's hard to see any alternative...?

    1. Re:NationBuilder? by Pvt_Waldo · · Score: 1

      http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm

      Play all you want.

  12. Umm.. Terrorists MIGHT get ideas from this... by Praedon · · Score: 1

    I don't think that would be a wise move on the CIA's part to make a game about this.. Even if it is going to be played privately by them.. or if it is being made public.. Its just gonna give terrorists ideas.. and really, I don't think we need a game on how to learn outside the box if we know HOW to make it... Its just another idea the CIA has to pass the time at their desk...

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  13. hmmm by rwven · · Score: 1

    yay! now terrorists can train to get around CIA agents! ....oh....

  14. Civilian Sector by Metal_Demon · · Score: 1
    I would like to see a game like this released to the civilian sector. I'm assuming that this one won't be based on this: help anti-terrorism workers "think outside the box." Most of us aren't anit-terrorism workers.

    Now before you start flaming me and talking about 9-11 and GTA causing retards to shoot people let me just say shut it. First of all videogames are a way to do things we wouldn't do IRL without RL consequences. GTA did not cause anybody to shoot anybody, rather it was a convenient excuse. Terrorist are not going to buy this game to learn how to be a better terrorist, it's not like it's that hard anyways.

    Simple fact of the matter is that a game like this could be hella fun. You can't let things like 9-11 make it insensitive to create games that deal with the same issues. Lets remember how many people have lost a loved one in a war, and we still have NUMEROUS war based games (many of which attempt to accurately portray the deaths of many soldiers), and I'm not even saying we should have a 9-11 based game.

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    1. Re:Civilian Sector by weszz · · Score: 1
      I agree, a good online multiplayer game like this could be an interesting game. Give the game decent options and i'll buy it. Wouln't do a subscription service specific to the game, but i would buy it.

      If all games that could possibly upset someone were taken off the market, we'd have tetris left. My friend was killed in a street fight, that takes away all fighting games, my uncle was killed in a car crash during a Nascar race, goodbye racing games... This isn't happening so much now, but when you look at the p.c. direction society is headed, it's headed that way...

      We can't let the minority tell everyone how they should feel anymore. It's gone on too long and it's time to stop and say this is a GAME aka not real. If the tactics are the same ones real world terrorists actually use, (which i highly doubt they would be), then wouldn't it be a decent simulation of real life?

      Either way I say let the ideas flow. Instead of taking Diamond Mine, changing the pictures and renaming it so no one is offended, how about some actual new games?

  15. Times vs. Post by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1


    Link goes to the Washington Times, not the Washington Post. In this town, that's like the difference between Slashdot and CNET. Not to mention incorrect accrediation being a fairly substantial copyright issue.

    But to bring it back on topic, I guess that verfiies that the /. editors don't RTFA article themselves, or they would have noticed right away. I would suggest they start, or they'll get sued over it sooner or later.

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  16. New terminology for press briefings? by Pvt_Waldo · · Score: 1
    Maybe we'll get a whole new kind of terminology in the political mainstream....

    Press Secretary: "I'd like to announce today that VP Cheney in an undisclosed location for the duration of the event."
    Press: "*cough*camper*cough*"

    Press Secretary: "Contrary to recent press reports, president Bush is in fact, not AFK."

  17. Re:Easy - You've got the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you are adressing the problem the good way.

    And I don't believe like others that it is "teenage thinking".

    For thoses who are thinking that the parent post is wrong, think about it for 2 minutes before you post anything.

    Imagine you're born in a middle-east region. Now you're growing in a region that is being attacked by an USA-supported government or the USA government itself.

    Since you are a kid that american bombs fall all over the place.

    And, you live in a total poverty while all the occidental world got all the wealth.

    Maybe you wouldn't like the USA too. And there is nobody more dangerous than people who are hungry.

  18. Alternatively... by Polo · · Score: 1

    Alternatively...

    They could just play the GLA in Command and Conquer Generals instead.

    (I wonder if it would be harder to get reimbursed for a $40 game from petty cash than to get a multi-million-dollar simulation written...)

  19. MMORPG by skinfitz · · Score: 1

    Why dont they just look at any MMORPG - examine the PK'er (Player Killer) mindset and I think you would understand the average terrorist.

    1. Re:MMORPG by Crockerboy · · Score: 1

      Step away from the keyboard and head outside for a good healthy dose of reality. There's a big difference behind the reasoning for killing newbies in UO than there are in for Muslims killing Jews in Israel.

    2. Re:MMORPG by skinfitz · · Score: 1

      I disagree. The universe is based on iterative mathmatics - patterns repeat themselves. Those tendencies in our nature will find their way into any societal structure, virtual or otherwise.

    3. Re:MMORPG by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1
      Not really, The /. boards are fairly reasonable compared to the rest of the web [and yes, I mean both right and left]. I've read stuff on Yahoo and AOL message boards in replies to news items that would have CMDRTaco banning IPs from the site. People out there are outrageously bigoted and hateful....after reading some postings, I've been embarassed to BE american! The same things exist on many of the online game chatrooms as well...

      So yes, surveying those communities [and many are AMERICANS mind you!] would be a valid way to see inside the terrorist Psyche. Although the denziens of the games are too chicken to act like that in Real Life, they certianly like to talk it up...an I suspect many would act like that given a chance to get away with it.....wittness the news lately!

  20. Don't we have this? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    I thought we already had this...or is CS too advanced for them?

    CIA guy1: "Motherfucker! That's the 10th time i've died for no reason!

    1337d00d: "What do you mean no reason n00b, I've been getting headshots on you every time you spawn. lolololol n00bz0rz.

    Although, for some reason, if all of the people in our armed forces could shoot like some of those people I've seen in CS....god would I feel a lot safer. They'd probably save a lot on ammo too!

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  21. Training gov't to 'think like terrorists' by benjamindees · · Score: 1

    Terrorism- a mode of government by terror or intimidation. --Thomas Jefferson.

    Just something to think about when the spooks start wanting to 'think like terrorists'.

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  22. Excerpt from the mission list by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

    - try to kill Castro
    - sell drugs to finance your operations
    - make another atempt at Castro
    - blow up some oil tanks
    - make another atempt at Castro
    - mine a civilian port

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  23. What good is it... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

    ...if they don't have the balls to do what is obviously necessary? I mean, why the hell is Arafat still alive? Just blow him into pieces, damnit!

  24. Funny? That should be *Insightful*! by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    You insensitive cloderators! (-:

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  25. About your username by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    Chuck Peddle, developer of the "64 columns ought to be enough for anybody" (it was one of the first PCs with an 80-column screen) CBM and the Victor-9000/Sirius-1 - among other things - once owned (maybe still owns, who knows?) a company called NNA, for No Name Available, an expression of his frustration at being unable to find a viable name.

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  26. I'd buy that for a dollar by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
    You don't need to go far to verify the truth of that, just pick the suburb in your area with the most career welfare recipients in it and check for symptoms of minor terrorism - vandalism, impressive security barriers and such.

    Conversely, as societies become wealthier, terrorism declines (and so does the birth rate). So perhaps the best option is indeed to work for the greatest common good after all.

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    1. Re:I'd buy that for a dollar by 4of12 · · Score: 1

      societies become wealthier, terrorism declines

      As a whole, certainly.

      There's a correlation with the distribution of wealth that figures significantly into how much terrorism (rebellion, radicalism, whatever you want to call it) occurs.

      If you look at the distribution of wealth of between the top 1% of the citizens and, say, the bottom 50%, you've got an index of volatility. Sometimes the people believe that it's a fair situation (the wealthy really are just smart, hard-working, or God blesses them), but once a heavy police state is instituted to keep the status quo, it's a sign of things about to break down.

      The USA is becoming more stratified than it used to be several decades ago (and more stratified than Japan or northern European countries are currently), but it isn't anywhere near the extremes of Latin America.

      Saudi Arabia is a very interesting case to consider in wealth distribution. While Wahhabism has inflamed a lot of the poorer members of that society and the ruling class has tried to leverage it to divert attention from themselves and point to Western influences, I'm sure a lot of the poor citizens perceive unfairness in the way that wealth flows to people by virtue of birth.

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  27. Open source terrorism? by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    Heck, it works well for so many other things...

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  28. Correction, HAVE gotten ideas before this... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
    They used MS Flight Simulator 98 to help them train for their missions.

    This caused comment within days of the event. (-: It seems that this guy got the message too late. :-)

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  29. Re:NationBuilder? by irritating /.ers by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

    We slashdotters that don't like the administration's policies can think of every single possible thing the Iraquies could do to "interrupt" our forces. [said game would require security clearance as many CS & stratagy gamers would probably be playing several levels above actual Iraquies for overall meanspiritedness and tactics! We wouldn't want the Iraqies getting ideas would we?] Then dump THAT game on the analysts. It could even be online so that as they beat it we can change the rules so they can NEVER WIN....just like in the real world!

  30. I'm sure they'll always find places to get ideas by StellarEX · · Score: 1

    We can stop making video games, stop building big things for fear of them being destroyed, or we can just continue to live our lives.

  31. wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should hire other people, if they want this job done.

    Take a back hat hacker to find possible ways to circumvent your security. I don't speak of a script kiddie or a normal cracker. I speak of people with real hacking abilities (not only IT specific!) and a black past. These people are trained to get around the system and they should be able to adobt to any given situation. They can even improvise if you test them.

  32. They will, but not in my work by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
    The idea of shutting everything down for security reasons is abhorrent, but OTOH do we really need violent games? What good do they do us? What benefit do we get from them? In short, what are they for? Can that good or benefit be obtained by other means? Surely it can, if it's at all healthy.

    There are very real concerns that these games train and accustom people to savagery, and to treating the targets of their fear, surprise and rage as inanimate, a bunch of pixels to smash and not a person like themselves to treasure. While it's not going to be so for everyone, that training can translate to destructive real-world action and I don't think we need to be identified with even the rumour of such things. Can you think of a reason why we should?

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