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Merrill Lynch Rips Sun

cosjef writes "In an open letter to Sun, an analyst for Merrill Lynch tells Sun to change or risk adding itself to the junkyard of formerly-great technology companies like DEC or Data General. The letter even recommends taking the helm away from McNealy, whose 'brash and contrarian personality have been synonymous with the company's image and success. Unfortunately, the act is getting old.' Sun's mistakes are well documented, but the biggest one is believing that what made them successful in the past would make them successful in the future."

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  1. Open Office / Star Office by Interruach · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The only product of Sun's I know about and they didn't mention it once. If microsoft alledgedly make all their money from MS Office, couldn't Star Office be a huge revenue stream for Sun if it competes favorably for price?

  2. Merrill Lynch == crap by I8TheWorm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let's not forget Merrill Lynch had Enron as a buy even after employees were seen leaving the building in the 100's with boxes in their hands.

    As a former quantative analyst, I can say this about the larger brokerage houses. They have an agenda. If they can generate enough hype (up or down) about a company, true or not, they wind up right, because the uneducated/ignorant masses follow their "leads" like lemmings. It's a simple business from ML's perspective. If you build it (the hype) the will come.

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  3. Don't trust share prices or firms as an oracle. by skandalfo · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The most important thing to take into account is that the price of a company's shares is not really altered by reality, but by belief.

    And it's good to look at the fact that it only reflects the beliefs of people who are geed-aware enough to trade shares. Most of these people are usually uninformed enough about reality as to trust the firm-provided analysts when they say things like that SCO's IP-blackmail business plan will be a complete boom.

    See SCO's trades rising? That has nothing to do with reality, as anyone who recognize the nonsense in the phrase "I own UNIX" can tell.

    Several financial firms seem to have already spoken about the "critical" and "wrong" situation of Sun Microsystems and exactly which percentage of layoffs they shall apply. Maybe they're right, but, as usual with analysts and their habit to work on none or little real information, I'd say they guess, as they do most of the time.

    That is, if they're not actually trying to trigger some share-price-waves for their own benefit.

    Personality leaks in the company may be a better indicator to use, and the fact that their upper layers are trying to ignore the Free Software/Open Source phenomenon (just like Microsoft did before; they no longer do; they now have a "Linux Chief" for a "Linux Strategy" consisting on destroying Linux) shows they have the same short sight that Microsoft did. However Microsoft has a lot of money from their dominant business, that buys them some time to try to react, whereas Sun may have not so much time left.

    Will they want to see the lion running on them for a meal? I hope they'll do. But pretending to see the future would be behaving like all those financial analysts.

    But if they go down in the end, I only hope Java gets open-sourced, rather than it getting bought by Microsoft in order to shut down the technology.

  4. Merrill Lynch owns $1.1Bn Microsoft shares by ChrisRijk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The "analyst" here hasn't even talked to Sun execs for some time, is always negative on Sun, wants Sun to drop all their products that compete with Microsoft (pretty much) and force all their existing customers through a complete product and architecture change (by dumping SPARC), which would have them up in arms.

    see here for some detail of "the loon" as The Register call him.

    1. Re:Merrill Lynch owns $1.1Bn Microsoft shares by cactopus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The "analyst" here hasn't even talked to Sun execs for some time, is always negative on Sun, wants Sun to drop all their products that compete with Microsoft (pretty much) and force all their existing customers through a complete product and architecture change (by dumping SPARC), which would have them up in arms.

      Yes I was considering the first half of the letter to be pretty much spot-on, then I got to the phase-out of SPARC and I knew that he was out of his mind. When will companies learn that the only way to compete in today's market is to NOT dump your crown jewels of technology in favor of an AOL'er me too on Intel. It's the #1 way to KILL your company. Carly's already started it with HP, and she's killed their processor arch, Compaq (nee DEC)'s, Tandem's, etc. And she's fired lots of people, bought two planes (with plans for 3 more), and continues to churn out sh*ty PC's... Their entire product line has taken on a relatively cheap look... enough about HP, though... the point is Sun really needs to do a few things to turn around. (Most likely... i.e. success is still dependent on a lot of unpredictable things)

      1. Consolidate and simplify their software product lines... middleware etc. But put lots of R&D on the most efficient and useful products
      2. Place lots of R&D on SPARC... it needs to be competitive with POWER... so they need to catch up a bit. It needs to break 1.5-2Ghz (but still be the elegant architecture it is... no corner-cutting)
      3. Slash all server margins... especially in the high end... still keep them large enough to cover R&D and modest profit... but none of this milk you dry kind of pricing. Offer special deals on bundles of servers that are extremely compelling.
      4. Keep up the Mad-Hatter stuff and treat Linux and the OSS community better... a little closer to Apple would be appreciated... none of this posturing towards other companies like IBM about how we are immune to SCO etc.
      5. Simplify and possibly divest some of their x86 stuff. They really haven't done so well with Cobalt HW. I'd love to see Cobalt HW return to MIPS... especially if they can do some really awesome stuff on an embedded scale...i.e.

      How would you like an ultra-silent, fanless rack of 42 servers that uses less juice than your desktop PC yet outperforms it by a factor of 10 and has no moving parts to break (Flash disks). A partnership with SGI would help... but SGI would also have to ditch the "milk the cash cow" mentality. Something that would allow cross-licensing and development of a PowerPC analog to R16K and beyond. Or they could just use PPC... it's a great option and cheaper in volume than the equivalent x86 on embedded scales.

      I do like their new Java enterprise pricing thing... I think it will help a lot, but without some nice whizbang competitive hardware, it doesn't have full impact. It's time to see US IV in widespread use and US V and VI on the way.

  5. Steve Milunovich, advice for Sun by LinuxParanoid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to read Steve Milunovich's research fairly regularly.

    One of the advantages of reading Steve was that he did his own surveys of Fortune 100 (500?) CIOs, asking about budgets (ie future system vendor revenues) and various topics of the day (ERP deployments, etc). So I found his comments that Sun should make contrarian bets but "do so in ways palatable to conservative CIOs" interesting. Steve may have some unique insight into that.

    What's a little odd to me about Steve's advice is the contradictions in it. At least based on the admittedly summary article linked here. On the one hand, he seems to advocate a "batten-down-the-hatches"-type strategy: cut R&D, dump SPARC (eventually), don't make waves, be more Linux friendly. And on the other hand he seems to say "make contrarian bets". It may be that Sun is just doomed due to volume economics (although in fairness, they have always been *way* more focused on that than every other Unix vendor in my past discussions with management I met in my past life), but the "batten-down-the-hatches" strategy seems more likely, not less likely to lead them down the "DEC, Data General, Compaq" path. Sure Sun needs to be shrewd and somewhat conservative in cutting excess spending. Maybe that *is* what they need to do to stabilize their stock a bit. But that isn't how they're going to avoid the 'computing graveyard'.

    Although if you are doomed to the computing graveyard (something I thought was true of Sun in 1995 but Sun did stunningly well the following five years), it is true that the most prudent thing to do is spend your remaining strength as conservatively as possible. I don't have any easy answers myself for Sun. I can't fault Milunovich for trying, but the advice doesn't look particularly helpful to me.

    --LP

  6. Re:Sun will be fine by cshotton · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Sun will be fine. After the exit of the two companies mentioned in the story, they are the 64 bit and high end market provider now.

    For now. At "for now" is a very, very short time. Sun simply doesn't have the technology resources and financial wherewithal to make SPARC a mainstream, widely supported processor that is able to stay ahead of a rapidly accelerating market. IBM, AMD, and Intel are all shipping 64 bit chip sets and most of the hardware configurations being built around them will far outpace a comparably priced Sun box without busting a sweat.

    Sun continues to rest on its laurels as the "premiere" platform for academic and scientific applications. Unfortunately, the market has long since overcome that fallacy and Sun will never recapture the high end workstation market for the simple reason that it no longer exists. Even moderately priced desktop boxes outperform Sun's best engineering workstations from just a year or two ago. So other than the ego boost ascribed to an academician with a Sun box on his desk, it's hard to argue there is any value in selecting that workstation option at this point. Sure, there are legacy software issues with stuff written to proprietary Sun graphics or clustering APIs, but that stuff all has non-proprietary solutions now that make porting quite easy.

    Sun's only other market, high performance Internet servers, evaporated with the DotCom bubble. They're stuck holding a fist full of defaulted loans, cancelled leases, and warehouses of repossessed server boxes in the wake of that carnage. Nobody's interested in going that route again.

    Seriously. If you want to spend $5000, $8000, or even $75,000 on a computer, you can go to Dell. But, if you're looking to drop $1.3 million on a computer, you go to Sun.

    Now there's a brilliant reason to purchase a computer -- that it costs $1.3 million. Odds are likely 100% that you can purchase a superior system from a non-Sun manufacturer for an order of magnitude less now. You basically make Merrill's case for why Sun will be dead in 2 years. The pool of idiots willing to plunk down $1M for a box to serve web pages dried up 2 years ago. Look at how people do it now (i.e., Google, Yahoo, etc.) -- racks and racks of cheap, redundant commodity servers. Where's Sun's answer to that?

    Bye, Sun!

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  7. "They are dead Jim.." (Re:Sun will be fine) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Disclosure: I worked for SGI in the latter half of the 90s.

    We competed with Sun. We found that the Sun machines could not hold a candle to the SGI (or IBM hardware, and occasionally the HP hardware when they got their heads out of their asses every few years). It was well known by our customers, and often repeated to us as a reason to bring us in, that Sun gear was simply not fast. It was quite hard to justify spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on gear when VPs desktops often were able to run some of the benchmark tests in similar time to the Sun gear.

    Sun machines are not fast. They are quite slow. Solaris is not a paragon of stability. One of our customers pointed out their charts of availability to us. One of the most available machines was a PowerChallenge box I had set up in their computing center. Had been up and functioning under heavy load for something approaching 2 years, without an unplanned shutdown. One of the least available machines was the Cray SuperDragon^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Sun Starfire machine which was not able to stay up long enough to complete the benchmark acceptance suite. Many of our other customers noted this as well.

    SGI is now a small fraction of its former self. It abandoned the Beast and Alien (2 amazing CPUs, due in 1999 and 2001 respectively), courtesy of Forest Basket and his inept reasoning, and went whole hog for Itanic. Some of us warned the company that this would be the undoing of the company. We were ignored. We were also right. Management had assured us that Itanic would take off, and be the next big thing. Yeah. Right. It appears now that the next big thing is Opteron. Too bad they bet the company on Itanic.

    Sun has some similar choices ahead, though its technology is not really all that good. Some things are of interest, like the "java" desktop, which sounds like an S/ID card with a server and remote thin clients. Neat, but requires some serious networking infrastructure. Also, java aspect is irrelevant.

    Java itself as a technology is a solution in search of a problem. Yeah, it is everywhere. Should it be? Is it really the correct solution to most of the problems? No, not by a long shot. The more I see it deployed, the larger the sale of a bridge I see... It is a language seeking to become an operating environment/system, targetting windows and everything else. It is supposed to be write once run anywhere, but the reality is "write 3 or 4 times and debug everywhere, and then grouse about how slow it is, while rabidly defending the decision, which you are questioning yourself, to use it for such a mission critical application".

    Sun has some rather serious challenges ahead. Its hardware simply sucks rocks. Its software ain't all that good. Java is the jack of all trades, master of none.

    Time for re-invention. Split out the SPARC, replace it with Opteron. Ditch lots of the software. Spin out Java. Give it a fighting chance to morph into something useful and find a real direction on its own. Sell off or close down the rest.

    With McNealy at the helm, this will never happen.

  8. Re:Bah by Bull999999 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And isn't Dell a larger company than Apple as well? Here's the snipplet from the Fortune.

    "The Dell strategy, though, includes keeping R&D to a minimum--something foreign to Sun. Says Joy: "All along, Scott [McNealy, Sun's CEO] has maintained R&D spending, so there is some promising new technology coming too.""

    Not cutting expenses while revenue going down = low or negative net income = stocks going downhill. Microsoft isn't in better shape than Sun due to their superior R&D, it's because of their superior marketing.

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  9. Re:Sun did themselves in by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Have you looked at netcraft? IIs has been flat for some time. Just because win2003 appears to be growing is no big deal. There is always some churn on new products esp. when MS is throwing literally billions at it (trying to subsidize it too move it into schools and isps).
    5% of win2003 having been Linux is not a big deal(far less than 1% of installed Linux). Had it been 5% of Linux, well, that would have been a huge deal.

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