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Rob from RPI writes "You may remember the announcement about a company, or program, or both called Earthstation 5 who recently 'Declared War' on the MPAA. Well guess what? Turns out that it's got code in it that allows anyone to delete any file on your computer. I suggest that you un-install as soon as possible!"
I know my history - now - do you know anything about that region? Do you know that Israel currently occupies twice the area they were given by the previous incarnation of the UN? Do you know that they're building a wall around "their" country - which just happens to be including a lot of that illegally occupied territory?
I'm also interested in hearing if anyone who replied to me claiming Palestinians are terrorists because they're targetting civilians/children know that Israel are targetting civilians/children themselves? What does that make the state of Israel?
Really.
it's in my head
Do you know that they're building a wall around "their" country - which just happens to be including a lot of that illegally occupied territory?
And how did they come in posession of that "ilegally occupied" territory? Through the wars in 1967 and 1973, right? And who started those wars? Oops...
Does it justify it? Well, we'll never know, will we? If those who started the wars of 1967 and 1973 hadn't done so, maybe Israel would never have had the chance to commit those atrocities you talk about. Maybe they wouldn't have the chance to build that wall (which, BTW, is opposed by many in the religious right in Israel), because they wouldn't be in possesion of the land in question. But gosh, we'll never know now, will we? After all, why bother researching who were the first ones to attack, when you can easily blame it all on the jews?
You said:
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Palestine may not have been an independent nation state, but the Palestinian people had existed as a distinct race since biblical times when the Semitic tribes split along religious grounds.
Care to provide some proof for this? Linguistically, the Palestinians speak almost the same dialect of Arabic which Jordanians, Lebanese, and Syrians do. See http://www.lmp.ucla.edu/profiles/profl02.htm for more information.
Until the late 1980s, Jordan still claimed ownership of the West Bank. It was only in 1989 that Jordan finally relinquished all claims to the land and its people. See http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/his_periods9.html for more information.
You said:
Israel was created following the even bigger influx of Jewsih refugees after the Second World War. Many of these refugees brought bitter memories of the concenration camps with them, and a willingness to use force to gain a nation state. The British were unable to control the situation, having been effectively bankrupted by the war, and eventually pulled out after increased bombings of their official buildings, etc. The result was bloodshed, as the Jewish militias ehnically cleansed large parts of Palestine. Pretty ironic considering the background to the Jewish desire for a nation state.
I'm not even going to bother refuting your comments about "ethnic cleansing" since they're so ridiculous.
What I will do is try to put a nail in the coffin of the completely erroneous belief that Israel exists only due to European imperialism, and that its population is a reflection of that "fact."
The reality is that Israeli Jews are incredibly multi-ethnic, and a very large percentage of the society has no roots in Europe! For some reason, in this whole discussion of refugees, nobody ever mentions how the high number of Jewish citizens from Arab countries who were forced to flee to Israel as refugees:
From http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-lit
In 1945 there were about 140,000 Jews in Iraq; 60,000 in Yemen and Aden; 35,000 in Syria; 5,000 in Lebanon; 90,000 in Egypt; 60,000 in Libya; 150,000 in Algeria; 120,000 in Tunisia; and 300,000 in Morocco, including Tangiers. That comes to a total of about 960,000 -- and more than 200,000 in Iran and Turkey.
The vast majority of these people were forced to flee their own lands into Israel. And, more recently, almost 15,000 Jews from Ethiopia -- yes, there are actually black Jews in the world! -- fled their own country and arrived in Israel.
Pretty ironic that none of these groups have any desire to go back to the "homes" they lived in for hundreds or even thousands of years. And, unlike Palestinians who have relocated to Jordan, most of these people's children no longer consider themselves "refugees."
Just some food for thought.