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Australian Spam Bill Not So Good After All?

crazney writes "Electronic Frontiers Australia has criticized the anti-spam bill proposed by the Australian government. You can read their full analysis here"

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  1. critisize?? by LadyLucky · · Score: 4, Funny


    Crikey, there's a huuuuuge spelling mistake lying in the article text *just above me*. This one's a real beaut, too mate! It would be sick if you just fixed that up there...
    </crocodile-hunter>

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  2. Good to see some sense by evil_roy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Recently it has seemed that if anything was said to be anti-spam it was deemed to be good - no further scrutiny was required.

    These laws were a case in point, but any comments here or elsewhere that questioned the new laws were howled down in the shared "spam-is-evil" sentiment. Spam is a pain and is hard to defend - but defeating spam should be a case of the right tool for the job. The right tool is rarely legislation - yet it is the first we seem to reach for.

    I'm glad that there is some well thought out legitimate questioning of these knee-jerk reaction laws.

  3. What by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

    You mean training kangaroos to box the crap out of spammers is not a good idea !!!

    Whats that Skippy ? You threw another spammer down the mine shaft. Good roo.

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  4. Alcohol, Tobacco, and SPAM? by cliffy2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Spam laws are kind of like the US gun control laws. They're all fine and dandy, but until the existing laws are enforced, they really mean nothing. And the greater restrictions probably just annoy law-abiding citizens.
    (Now, I'm all in favor of gun control. Just not more legislation until the ATF actually does something.)

    1. Re:Alcohol, Tobacco, and SPAM? by kfg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'll accept your analogy, for the sake of argument, and run with it.

      The problem with enforcing gun control laws is similar to the problem with enforcing spam laws.

      Anyone can make crude offensive firearms quickly and cheaply in their own basement.

      Anyone can make crude and offensive spam quickly and cheaply in their own basement.

      The advantage the spammers have over the gun makers is that the spammer can make spam in somebody else's basement will still sitting snuggly in their own.

      To enforce a law first you have to be able identify violators. Then you have to be able to arrest them, inside your own jurisdiction.

      The big spammers protect themselves and are immune from any law. Thus antispam laws are only going to end up getting used against minor players, kids sending out "flyers" for their ball game and such. A granny thinking she can make a few extra bucks by peddling her hand crocheted doilies with some email.

      They'll throw the book at them too.

      Tackling the spam problem by making laws is just as silly as it would be to try to outlaw a common weed.

      The problem is inherent in the system. Fix the system, no more problem.

      KFG

  5. Austrailian spam? Naw! by zerocool^ · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Spam sent from austrailia? Never.

    Oh, wait. I just sent some emails to the people who own:
    mail006.syd.optusnet.com.au
    mta05.mail.mel. aone.net.au
    mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au

    And told them to stop the spamming.
    Return-Path: spachakra@ozemail.com.au
    Received: from mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta04.mail.au.uu.net
    [203.2.192.84]) by mail.netmar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02654
    for <your_mom@netmar.com>; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 00:04:47 -0400 (EDT)
    Received: from fsveeyjv ([63.60.218.131]) by mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au
    with SMTP
    id <20031005040357.GWUT21664.mta04.mail.mel.aone.net. au@fsveeyjv>;
    Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:03:57 +1000
    FROM: "Microsoft Customer Support" <njsmmr_lcmmo@technet.com>
    TO: "Customer" <customer-ciltovfs@technet.com>
    SUBJECT: New Net Update
    Mime-Version: 1.0
    Message-Id: <20031005040357.GWUT21664.mta04.mail.mel.aone.net. au@fsveeyjv>
    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:04:37 +1000
    Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ucvnkfiuyukzljwof"
    Content-Length: 157002
    Yeah, I'm getting these "Microsoft Net Update" mail messages at a rate of about 6 an hour. "Please install this latest update, rejwk.bat". Please wash my balls.

    I'm so freaking frustrated, though. I don't know how to filter them, cause they're comming from lots of different (some non-open relay) mail servers, and the messages are innocent enough as to not be words I'd want to filter out of my incomming mail. Plus, all the file attachments and email addresses and attachments are all randomly generated characters.

    FUCKING SPAM make the internet unusable! GOD DAMNIT. They took something that was beautiful in it's simplicity, and FUCKING RUINED IT.

    GOD, I must be tired to rant, but it pisses me off. Viruses! Spam! Worms! Denial of service! Get sued by the FBI, CIA, RIAA, SCO, FreeMasons! Fuck, it's a wonder anyone's still online.

    ~Will
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  6. All over again by Omega037 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is another one of those laws that may have been made with good intentions in mind, but will either not work or actually unintentionally harm those who aren't the real culprits. The problem with this law, much like the DMCA, is that the computer world is changing rapidly, and it is often hard to draw lines as to what is or isn't spamming. Instead you end up with huge loopholes for the real spammers and lots of red tape and problems for those who aren't. Laws regarding online crime or problems need to be updated at least a few times a year, if not monthly. However, the speed at which governments are willing to change laws is far too slow to do this.

  7. Is "anti-spam" the new "patriot" or "terror" line? by The+Revolutionary · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While it seems that the US government, for example, has and is actually doing the right thing with the national do-not-call list, perhaps that is the exception.

    We are asking our governments to step up to do the right thing and protect us from this nonsense, but what they seem unable to restrain themselves from doing is to get their hands on all of it and regulate it.

    We aren't asking for a whole system of regulation, we are just asking for protection.

    The problem though, is that there are a lot of other parties who see this whole mess from other (possibly commercial) perspectives, and they want protection too, or whatever you would call doing services to their private interests and agendas.

    For example, if we call in the government to help us, are they also going to decide that it is ok for political and non-profit groups to spam each of my email addresses X number of times per year or per month? Is government going to decide that any business can spam me once a year or until I renew my request with them to not be spammed?

    Is the Bush re-election campaign going to be able to spam me once a month asking for donations?

    Should we be worried that regulation will bring some relief, but with it the legitimization of unsolicited email conforming to the new regulations as an acceptable component of an advertising model for mainstream products and services, especially with telemarketing being clamped down on perhaps more now than in the past?

    While I do believe that it is appropriate for us to act through our government to regulate this mess for the benefit of the majority (there is no right or legitimate expectation of private persons to force a communication with another person against his or her will), and ideally they would, I do not have faith in our elected representatives to do the right thing.

    I think that is very sad. It seems that realistically our best hope for just and progressive government right now is to elect those who will screw us over least badly with the representative power we give them.

    section {.rant}
    I don't want to elect agendas or philosophers or idealists. I want to elect, surprisingly representatives, persons who I can in good faith entrust to act as an extension of my person - an extension of my own moral agency, an entity whose actions, good or bad, I am directly responsible for in so far as I am representated by a maximally auditable, responsive, and transparent manner, not used.

    Just get it done, damnit.

  8. Re:Austrailian spam? Naw! by Albanach · · Score: 5, Informative
    Use spamassassin. You can either catch them with some bayes training, or even easier, set:

    score MICROSOFT_EXECUTABLE 5

    in /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf

    That way everything with an executable will be set as spam. You can then use sieve or other mail scripting language to filter / discard the messages as apropriate.