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Nobel Prize for Physics Announced

what_the_frell writes "According to this Fox News article, two Americans and a Russian won the 2003 Nobel Prize for Physics for research in the field of quantum physics. The trio conducted research in superconductivity and superfluidity, detailed in this official Nobel article."

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  1. Nationality by iworm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not that it really matters, but it's actually two Russians and a Brit (although two of them do hold dual citizenship with the US).

    Point is, if you're going to bother mentioning it in the story, then get it right. Otherwise (maybe better) don't mention it as it doesn't really matter...

    1. Re:Nationality by dillon_rinker · · Score: 0, Informative

      Not so. There is no such thing as dual citizenship in the US unless you are a minor. To become a US citizen (or upon reaching your majority), you must renounce any other citizenship. So either the scientists in question are US citizens and ONLY US citizens, or they are liars for saying they gave up other citzenship when they didn't. If the facts of the article are correct, then you are impugning the integrity of these men - not something to do lightly.

      BTW, the citizenship of Nobel prize winners matters quite a bit. It is a propaganda coup for the government of the winner.

    2. Re:Nationality by SB5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nevermind I am sort of wrong...

      Go here:http://travel.state.gov/dualnationality.html

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    3. Re:Nationality by Zachary+Kessin · · Score: 4, Informative

      No you can have duel citizenship. Not all countries allow you renouce your citizenship. For example the US makes it damn hard to renouce its citizenship. When you aquire US citizenship what happens to your other citizenship depends on the laws of that country. I have some knowlege of this in that I have 2 and soon to be 3 citizenships (and passports).
      FromThe US State Department's page on being a duel national :
      A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

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  2. 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other by tomzyk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Directly [clipped] from the article:

    Alexei A. Abrikosov
    Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois, USA... born 1928 (75 years) in Moscow

    Vitaly L. Ginzburg
    P.N. Lebedev Physical Institute, Moscow, Russia... born 1916 (87 years) in Moscow

    Anthony J. Leggett
    University of Illinois, Urbana, Illinois, USA... born 1938 (65 years) in London

    So, yes, 2 Russians and a Brit... But also 2 Americans and a Russian. Don't be so picky. I was born in Erie Pennsylvania, but I tell everyone I'm from Cleveland Ohio because that's where I live and work now.

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    1. Re:6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other by Rhubarb+Crumble · · Score: 2, Informative
      So, yes, 2 Russians and a Brit... But also 2 Americans and a Russian.

      Look at where they were when they did the research they got the prize for.

      "The decisive theory explaining how the atoms interact and are ordered in the superfluid state was formulated in the 1970s by Anthony Leggett."
      (http://www.nobel.se/physics/laureates/2003/press. html)

      If you look at his CV you will see:

      1967-1983 University of Sussex.

      (conflating lectureships and professorships here)

      So in the 70s, when he formulated his theories, he worked in the UK. Brit.

  3. Two winners from the same lab... by davids-world.com · · Score: 2, Informative

    What's also astonishing is that one university (Dept of Physics and the Beckman Institute at University of Illinois at Urbana) can claim TWO nobel prizes this year -- Paul Lauterbur (Medicine, for MRI) and Tony Leggett (Physics). Quite impressing.

  4. superconductivity ain't just zero resistance by elwinc · · Score: 4, Informative
    It's a common misconception that superconductivity means zero electrical resistance. This is true, but it's only one of the oddities of superconductivity. Another main one is the Meissner Effect. This is the expulsion of magnetic fields from a material as it makes its transition from normal to superconducting.

    Pure zero resistance would prevent electric fields from entering a block of superconductor (the change in magnetic fields will induce eddy currents) to counter any change in the local magnetic field) and this effect is called perfect diamagnetism.

    The Meissner effect is different: it's a phase change effect -- it takes energy to expel the magnetic field. If the magnetic field is strong enough, the material may never superconduct. In any case, the transition temperature T_c is actually a function of the local magnetic field.

    Furthermore, if you boost the field enough, you can quench the superconductivity and initiate resistance heating -- it can get nasty with high currents. Is the magnetic expulsion perfect? Sometimes it is, and sometimes not, because of flux pinning.

    Since we often want to use superconductors to either make high magnetic fields (like in magnetic resonance imagers) or to carry large currents (that induce high magnetic fields) the Meissner Effect, and the magnetic dependence of the transition temperature are important considerations for practical superconductors.

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  5. Re:Benefitted the mankind? by dummkopf · · Score: 5, Informative

    Let me elaborate a bit on your rather narrow-minded comment: superconductivity (SC) was discovered 1911 by K. Onnes. Not until 1935 F. London came up with a macroscopic description of the effect which explained the magnetic part of the problem, but not much further than that. 18 years leater in 1953 Ginzburg and Landau came up with a phenomenological approach (GL theory) which actually explained MANY things without the knowledge of the underlying microscopic mechanism. This was a great breaktrough because you could actually start to PREDICT things without knowing how it really worked in the guts. In particular they were of great importance in realizing that there are two types of SCs (I and II) from which only type II are relevant for industry. Type I "die" soon with small fields and have transition temperatures which are only a few K. Even though in 1957 Bardeen, Cooper and Shriffer (BCS) explained the microscopic theory of SC, GL theory remained one of the most important approaches to understand novel phases, such as the intermediate (Abrikosov) vortex phase in type II SCs. Type II SCs are important in industry because they remain superconducting for high fields. Problem is, you get vortices in the system. Abrikosov (who got also a Nobel medal) was the first to predict that these vortices make a lattice and constitute a NOVEL state of matter (within matter). In the meantime one has als high-T_c superconductors (the stuff MRI machines use) and for these NEW materials there is NO understanding on how SC works. BUT for these materials the Ginzburg Landau theory still applies and often makes predictions on how things will behave. Therefore THEORY IS IMPORTANT and these gentlemen deserve the award. As for Legett: he made important contributions in the world of superfluids as well as Bose Einstein condensation. IMHO his work on quantum tunneling with dissipation is the best. To summarize: no MRI with no GL theory.

    As for your little rant: Theory and Experiment (and today also computational physics) should be COMPLEMENTARY to each other. You find many theory papers which do not seem to be close to reality. This does not mean they are garbage. It means that they are ahead of industrial applications. Often one sees experimental papers which simply say: "I measured this and look how cute it is". but they lack of ANY physical understanding. Now you tell me, which one is worse? Clearly Math is the language of Physics. But you need to know how to write in a languagel before you can create a nice poem... If as an experimentalist you do not even know how to "write", how can you then understand the theory pertinent to your experiment? All you are at that stage is an observer... and as we all know: everyone can observe.

    It seems as if some experimentalists carry a large chip on the shoulder???

  6. Re:Benefitted the mankind? by quirky_qubit · · Score: 2, Informative

    Great reply, dummkopf (I *hate* calling you that, but it's your moniker ;-). I worked in Abrikosovs group at Argonne from 1994-1996 as a graduate student - and I was then an experimentalist, working on imaging in real time the magnetic vortices he had predicted in the 1950s. The man was in my lab *often* and nearly every day he communicates with the experimentalists. He is a true physicist of the old school: keeping his hands in both theoretical and expermental aspects. How foolish for anyone to criticize this man's work as being lofty theoretical stuff (a term I hear often).