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10th Circuit Says FTC Can Enforce Do Not Call
TCPALaw writes "Reuters is reporting
that the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals has just ruled that the FTC can
go ahead with administration and enforcement of the national Do-Not-Call
list, staying a lower court ruling that blocked the FTC from
implementing the list. Now I can sue
those pesky telemarketers .. I have already gotten
3 telemarketing calls to the phone number I put on the national list
since the list went into effect."
Reader jhlund1976 points to the court's decision itself. Note, as
strredwolf does, that this only means the FTC can "run the registry while a
challenge from telemarketers winds its way through the courts." Strredwolf also points to the
all-knowing
Google News link.
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JUMP OUT THE WINDOW
cowboyneal is a faggot peice of shit
yeah you hear me MODERATE THIS FUCKER!
are all your posts a trainwreck of cliches and old jokes mashed together into one steaming load of crap?
fp
I just moved to America, and don't understand you. What are you saying (I do not understand your sentence)?
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www.nero-online.org sells GNAA/Lunix, I believe.
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You may also want to look at the following website, then:
www.apple.com
the telemarketers call YOU. Eh?
Umm... Never mind.
You're not "telling them they can't talk to me" -- you probably have no idea who "they" are! This list is the equivalent of saying "I don't want anyone calling me", which, I'm sorry, is not a Constitutionally guaranteed right (unlike the freedom of speech, which these telemarketers have.)
If your telephone number is public knowledge, people are allowed to call it! If you don't like it, you shouldn't have your telephone number listed!
I think it's ridiculous that this list enables people to get the equivalent of a restraining order without evidence and just cause.
evil adrian
What are you some kind of sock puppet for the telemarketing scum of the earth? Pull your head of your ass and shut the fuck up. God Damn Fucking Bastard
by Bob Lonsberry
Some Muslims wear sacred clothing.
So do some Jews. The same for Native Americans and some Hindus and
others.
Bits of cloth or string that are physical reminders of God and his bond
with man. Sacred things, really. Prayer shawls or beads, head coverings
or aprons, medicine bags. Things that are special to people, honorable
and good things.
Things that should be respected.
One would not, for example, rip the yarmulke from a Jewish man's head
and mockingly fling it like a Frisbee. Nor would you wear a yarmulke as
a spoof or joke. Certainly not as an attack on Judaism. Not as a mockery
of Jews and their faith.
Yet something like that happened this weekend.
In front of thousands of people in one of America's great cities. An act
of religious desecration, bigotry and discrimination.
And the perpetrators boast of it to the press.
It was in Salt Lake City. And it was against Mormons.
And somehow that makes it acceptable.
Here's what happened.
Over the weekend, Mormons gathered for what they call "general
conference." It is a twice-a-year meeting that draws tens of thousands
to Salt Lake City and is broadcast around the world to an audience in
the low millions. It is a worship service. It is sacred and special to
them.
And each year it is protested.
So-called Christian evangelists stand on the sidewalk outside the Mormon
meetings and shout rude condemnations of the religion to the thousands
who pass in and out. It is an odd spectacle, unmatched in American
society. To think that crude protesters would stand outside a mosque or
synagogue, or a cathedral or church, and harass worshippers and denounce
a religion is just beyond the pale.
It is an act of indefensible religious bigotry.
And yet it happens, and is often applauded and boasted of.
This column started with a mention of sacred clothing. Well, Mormons
have sacred clothing, too. Like a variety of religious garments, it is
worn against the skin. It is a type of underclothing. They don't talk
about it. They don't show it to people. They keep it sacred. Like
virtually all religious clothing, it is a specific reminder of promises
made to God. Like virtually all religious clothing, it is precious and
significant to the people who wear it.
Well, Sunday the evangelists had some.
Maybe six guys, Baptist ministers, mocking the Mormons as they came out
of a meeting. Shouting rude things to people coming out of church.
And they had these sacred garments.
And one supposed minister of the gospel was wiping his backside with
them, laughingly treating them like toilet paper as thousands who held
them sacred walked by.
Can you see that being done to a prayer shawl in front of a synagogue,
or a prayer rug in front of a mosque?
Wouldn't that sacrilege be publicly denounced by all decent people?
He also draped them around his neck, and pretended over and over to
sneeze into them. And loudly blow his nose into them. While families and
children walked past.
Stop for a moment.
Lay aside what you do or don't think about Mormons. But was that right?
More to the point, was that Christian? Is that what Jesus would do? Is
that what any decent person of any faith would do?
Absolutely not. It is wrong, bigoted and un-American. No matter who it's
against.
It was an affront. It smelled like the bigotry of the Klan and the Third
Reich. And yet the ministers boasted of it to reporters and posed for
pictures and no one in the Utah or American religious, media or civil
rights communities has condemned it.
And, oddly, two worshippers were taken away in handcuffs.
One man, dressed in his church clothes, walked past in the crowd, saw
the insults and desecrations, and grabbed the piece of clothing. To
protect it. He was charged with robbery and taken to jail.
Half an hour later another worshipper similarly grabbed a molested
garment and attempted to take it away. He was unsuccessful and waiting
police stepped in to take him into custody.
And that's the world we live in.
You are harangued for your beliefs and arrested for defending them.
And the bigotry of our society is illustrated by how selectively we
practice tolerance.
So you want me to believe that the same company is calling you -- to the point of harassment -- at dinner time? So, over the course of (liberally) a 30 minute meal, you're receiving at least (conservatively) 3 telephone calls from the SAME COMPANY?
Let's stay in the realm of reality, shall we?
And it's "FUCKIN'". Ah, public education.
evil adrian
Same company every day at dinner? Every other day, even?
Come on, PLEASE do not insult my intelligence! FACT is what gets the job done, people, not hyperbole, not assumptions, not exaggerations! The SAME COMPANY is calling you persistently? To the point where a restraining order is justified???
For the love of God, somebody show me some proof!
I find it amusing, that you all throw a shit fit over the Patriot Act and the DCMA, but now it's OK to piss on the First Amendment.
evil adrian
First Amendment: Big talk on Slashdot, but when it comes to telemarketers, everyone looks the other way.
Call me a troll all you want, but I don't see you putting forth a rational argument that says I'm wrong.
So learn to reason, or get some mod points and mod me down, bitch!
evil adrian
I am here telling you that I tell them to not call me. I generally even say please first. Usually I say "Please do not call this number back. Thank you, Bye." or something similar, then wait to hear if they hangup or start talking. I will not speak after this point, even though I am listening. Only once did the telemarketer actually hang up the phone. The rest just ignored my polite request and continued to annoy me. After a couple of seconds I will then hangup.
If they ever call me back, at that point everything legally is in place for me to obtain a court order to keep the person out of my life.
You're missing the point: if you tell a telemarketer to not call you back, they won't. Can you actually show me documented proof that a telemarketer, or a single company, that you have told to specifically not call you back, has called you back? There are strict laws saying "once they say don't call me, you can't call them."
So we come back to the issue:
I personally do not feel I should be forced into getting court orders aginst the thousands of thousands of telemarketing companys out there.
Not to mention when they 'fold' and turn up under a different name, and the court order will not apply.
If you don't want people calling your phone number, it shouldn't be publicly listed. That's why people have private phone numbers, so they aren't bothered.
It disturbs me that people will piss on the First Amendment so easily for a little comfort. Hello, CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS are a bit more important than dodging a phone call. UNLIST YOUR NUMBER!!!
evil adrian
Unfortuatly in the past couple years almost all telemarketers showup as 'unknown' anyway, so I have no way to prove I already talked to someone selling the exact same thing.
OK, so why make a law to dodge telemarketing calls? You could just not answer calls that have blocked numbers. You could get a TeleZapper. Verizon has Call Intercept. How hard is it to be proactive?
Um. Well, you'll be glad to hear that the First Amendment has nothing what so ever to do with anything in this thread.
I'll bold the relevant portions:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
So actually, it has everything to do with it.
I dont care if they pitch their sales to people that care to hear it.
All I know is I dont want to hear it, have told them so, and am still _forced_ to listen to it aginst my will.
Really. Someone held you down and forced you to listen.
No.
No one forced you to lease a telephone line. No one forced you to answer that phone. And certainly, no one forced you to give your phone number out to some companies who decided to call you back.
The First Amendment does not grant you the right to force me into anything aginst my will.
First Amendment also does not grant you the right to pass laws abridging freedom of speech -- doesn't matter if you like the speech or not. Why do you think ignorant people still get to say "nigger" all the time?
And as to your "UNLIST YOUR NUMBER!!!" comment, thank you for suggesting what I did as I ordered the phone line 9 years ago. Got any suggestions that may have something to do with solving the problem of harassing calls?
As it would seem, adding or removing my number from the public phone books should have no physical means or otherwise to magically make that number removed from the telemarketers lists.
TeleZapper. Check your Caller ID box (that's what it's there for.) Change your phone number.
Proactivity is the key.
evil adrian
No. A TeleZapper is a "no soliciting" sign. A do-not-call list is a government-endorsed law abridging freedom of speech.
Go get a damn TeleZapper already, people, and quit involving the government in affairs that aren't theirs to meddle in.
evil adrian
Wow, after reading all of your posts Evil Adrian allow me to be the first to say you have the I.Q of a bannana.