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Bureau of Engraving and Printing Issues New US$20

jea6 writes "Hot off the Western Currency Facility presses in Fort Worth! The Bureau of Engraving and Printing is issuing the new US$20 note to banks today. The newly redesigned Series 2004 $20 notes have background colors (so long, greenbacks) and improved security features. Ask your bank to send a few your way. Unlike the U.S Mint's "Golden Dollar", these notes will be issued to replace the Series 2001 note. Look for a redesigned Grant in 2004 and a new Benjamin in 2005. The US Government is spending $53,000,000 over the next 5 years to make sure everybody knows that this is a real note, so go get acquainted with one."

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  1. pssst: the counterfeiters are winning by ArmorFiend · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In 2001 they released a new bill design, and said "we want to stay one step ahead of the counterfeiters". Before that the bill had been unchanged for, what, 30 years? And now three years later, they're releasing a new bill? Its being kept hush-hush, but this is a clear sign that our currency is being successfully counterfitted.

    1. Re:pssst: the counterfeiters are winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      im not surprised - compared to european currency, the dollar looks like it's been printed on a below-average quality inkjet printer.

    2. Re:pssst: the counterfeiters are winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      no, instead it was designed by someone who thought it would be a really good idea to make 1 dollar bills the same size as 100 dollar bills. now that's forethought.

      personally i prefer these ones: www.deceptiondollar.com

    3. Re:pssst: the counterfeiters are winning by hype7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And the counterfeiters will still keep winning! You know why?

      Because there are so many dumb people out there .

      -- james

    4. Re:pssst: the counterfeiters are winning by Safety+Cap · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why do that when the government has proven itself utterly incompetent so far?

      Both the Susan B. Anthony and Sacajawea coin were rolled out with great fanfare, but people largely ignored them. Why? Because there was no reason to change, since Uncle Stupid kept printing paper dollars. Look at Canada -- they did the same thing, except they stopped printing the paper. People grumbled at first ("fear change"), but now it is all good.

      Easy recipe for change:

      1. At the next election, add a line item to the ballot: Replace dollar bills with coins or add national sales tax of 1% to cover cost of printing paper money?
      2. When coins wins by 99 to 1, start minting coins to cover supply
      3. Stop printing dollars
      4. "The problem will naturally work itself out."
      5. ...
      6. Profit! (Actually yes, because a coin lasts 20+ years, whereas a bill lasts only 18 months on avg)

      Next, the Metric system: time to join the rest of the planet.

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    5. Re:pssst: the counterfeiters are winning by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Interesting
      At the next election, add a line item to the ballot: Replace dollar bills with coins or add national sales tax of 1% to cover cost of printing paper money?

      First, in the US, a national sales taxes would be unconstitutional. Second, there's no mechanism for federal level popular referendums-- we have a strictly representative republic. Third, using the threat of taxation to make people feel good about a format change in currency is ridiculous. If replacing paper 1's become that much of a drain on the treasury, then the change to coins will happen. As it is, the Dept. of the Treasury has only made the case that it would make their lives a little easier. We the taxpayers pay 'em to work. Let 'em work. The extra expense is really nothing in comparison to the federal budget as a whole.

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  2. Re:I Always Liked the Green Bills by RevDobbs · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Doesn't having all green bills contribute to small scale fraud though?

    Sure does... a $2 bill will get you a $20 lap dance from just about any exotic dancer...

  3. High time by david.given · · Score: 4, Interesting
    At last! Banknotes you don't have to read to work out the denomination of!

    I'm British. I'm used to European money, which is all different colours and different sizes, and in a lot of cases is made out of plastic. You probably don't realise just how weird American money looks to us; it's all the same size, it's all the same colour --- even the material feels odd; thin and papery and not very robust. (Rag paper, isn't it?)

    When I last visited the US, dealing with American money was a continual surprise. Normally when I visit another country it doesn't take long before I can recognise notes by colour and size, which makes it much easier to handle. With American money, I kept having to peer at it to work out what it was I was about to hand over. I got the impression that they were designed by someone who knew about ergonomics, but wanted no truck with the idea.

    Of course, this is mostly just a matter of being used to a different system (I expect that with some practice you get used to looking at the picture rather than the overall design), but I do wonder how blind and partially sighted people manage.

    While this isn't a complete solution, at least the high-denomination notes will look different from the low-denomination notes, which will make it much less easy to, e.g., tip someone a hundred dollars instead of one. (Although whether this is considered a benefit depends which side of the transaction you're standing.)

    1. Re:High time by doktor-hladnjak · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Well, I must say the first time I went to Europe (back before the Euro came out), this whole idea of differently sized, multi-color money was very novel. However, later I lived in Germany got very used to identifying the various Mark bills by color and size (and not necessarily reading the number). The best part about the old German money though I think was the people on the bills. The 10 Mark bill had Gauss on it along with the formula for the Gaussian distribution even! Anybody know if any money today still has mathematical formulas on it?

      Even with the Euro today (living in Germany again), I still correlate the color and size with the value: grey-blue is 5, red is 10, blue is 20, and 50 is orangish-brown. Now the Euro is just covered with pictures of bridges and boring stuff like that. I guess that was a necessary sacrifice though. Imagine all the countries fighting over who gets to be on the 500 euro bill.

  4. Re:Euro - when will the usa adopt? by quigonn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Euro - what a shitty name for currency!

    Even more creative than "Dollar", because this name was ripped off from the Austrian currency "Taler" that was first established in the 15th century. But Euro on the other side symbolizes unity, a unity of countries with a currency stronger than the dollar (it is way stronger, even OPEC thinks about switching from Dollar to Euro as standard currency).

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  5. Re:I Always Liked the Green Bills by Divide+By+Zero · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I guess I'm in the minority here, but when I'm executing financial transactions (from going to the bank to going out to lunch), I CHECK the denominations of the bills I give and those I recieve. The new-look (not the brand-new-look) currency has a high-contrast, big, blocky, really-hard-to-miss printing of the denomination in one corner, and if I'm overpaying (using a $10 for less than $5, $20 for less than $10), I hand that side to the cashier or whoever's taking my money to make sure they get it.

    I have sympathy for the blind, but no color change is going to help them. Changing the size of the bills here would meet with such outrage as hasn't been seen since the Susan B. Anthony dollar. (Good thing we issued the Sacajawea dollar - everybody's using that, right?)

    But hey. Something's better than nothing, right?

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  6. Unloved $1 Coins Keep Expensive George Around by 4of12 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All the big portrait remakes of U.S. currency neglected the one dollar bill.

    From what I understand, paper money costs more to maintain relative to coin over a period of years. Wear and tear means reprinting and replacement over a shorter life cycle for paper currency.

    There's been 2 or 3 attempts to get US to use one dollar coins, and the vending machine manufacturers and the casinos would welcome the move, but people keep wanting to use those $1 bills over the Ike dollars, the Susan B. dollars and I'm not sure what else.

    What's weird is that coins up to $20 denomination were used in the 19th century. And that was when $20 represented something like 2/3 of a month's wages for many people.

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  7. Re:Good idea by Yorrike · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Nah. The best notes I've come across, and I'm not being biased as I've used notes in lots of countries, is our very own New Zealand notes.

    Made from plastic, but designed to feel like paper, they are practically unforgable. They have transparent windows, water marks, textured areas, the whole shibang. If you ever manage to get hold of one, you'll realise just how impossible a task making a replica would be.

    Just from the link above, here's the security features of our notes (all of which I think are rather cool):

    1. Each polymer note has two transparent windows. One of the transparent windows is oval-shaped and sloping and has the denomination numerals embossed in it. The other clear window is in the shape of a curved fern leaf.
    2. There is a fern immediately above the clear fern-shaped window. When you hold the note to the light, the fern should match perfectly with another fern on the other side.
    3. You should easily be able to see a shadow image of the Queen when you hold the note to the light.
    4. Each note has an individual serial number printed horizontally and vertically.
    5. Polymer notes have raised printing, which stands up on the surface and can be felt when you run your fingers over it.
    6. Tiny micro-printed letters "RBNZ" should be visible with a magnifying glass.
    7. Under an ultraviolet light, the polymer note appears dull. Most commercial papers used in forgeries will glow under an ultraviolet light. However, polymer notes contain special inks, which make particular features glow under an ultraviolet light. For example, the front of each genuine note has a fluorescent patch showing the denomination numerals, which can only be seen under an ultraviolet light.

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  8. Next step: Get rid of the US penny by tetranz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the little hassles of life I struck when moving from New Zealand to the US is the greater effort required to empty my pocket of coins. I'd never seen those little boxes of pennies on shop counters. In NZ we gave up our 1 and 2 cent coins long ago and nobody seemed to suffer much. In the US this is the subject of a raging debate. Change (no pun intended) doesn't come easily here. In NZ we also have $1 and $2 coins and prices are usually inclusive of tax so there are fewer oddball amounts to pay.

  9. Re:Vending machines by stevel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, the Bureau of Engraving and Printing has supplied test samples to the makers of recognition devices so that they can update as needed. Current models are software-updateable, but it will be a bit of a pain regardless. There are quite a few machines which accept $20s - I've seen them in Post Offices and at laundromats!

  10. The Fundamental Problem With Bill Revision by istartedi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When will they get it through their heads that the construction of the bill won't every solve counterfeiting? Anything they can make, others can make too. Last time, the Russian mafia had excellent fakes out almost before most people in the US had the new bills in their pockets!

    The only practical solution is to surveil the money (not the people). What do I mean by "surveil the money?". Well, each bill already has a serial number. You don't have to track every bill either, just most bills. Scanners at banks, convenience stores, and other common cash exchange points would transmit the location of the bill, as well as validate the bill.

    To catch a counterfeiter, just watch for the following inconsistancies: Bills moving at hypersonic speeds accross the US, serial numbers that aren't in the database, two bills with the same number in different locations, etc.

    Then, just pull up the surveilance tapes from the stores where the bills are passed. Match faces. If a suspicious bill is passed by the same person more than once, you have just cause. Get warrant. Search house. You've got them.

    A few crooks would still slip through now and then, but high-volume operations would be extremely difficult because the odds would catch up with these guys. They would have to control the valid bill to prevent the dupe flag from being raised, or conspire to hack the database, or launder money through stores that didn't participate in the system--activities which are much easier to investigate and track.

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  11. Dollar bill forgeries by old_unicorn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is it true that they can never change the $1 bill because there it is so easy to forge that there is a vast and unknown amount of forgeries out there, and changing the bill would risk a finacial collapse, if the american government had to 'redeem' all of the forgeries?

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  12. Someone file an ADA suit, please by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Someone please file an ADA suit with the fed. How much longer will blind people be stuck with shitty bills? There's plenty of blind people who are perfectly capable of shopping, but can't due to lack of proper currency. No, credit is not a viable option, as there is no way to verify your purchase amount at checkout, and braille receipt printers would be far more expensive than switching the bills to other sizes.

    I mean, even those heathens in Europe have bills with different sizes. Their merchants seem to be able to handle it without trouble. Perhaps the Europeans are smarter than Americans? (Here come the /. Eurotrolls:) Look, how often do you put a $100 bill into a vending machine? Make it larger. Ditto from $20 on up. The only thing that might be a minor bit of hassle is changing the size of the $5 and $10.

    That's the difference between the blind and the deaf communities. The deaf would be marching on DC if they couldn't use currency. The blind just shut up and take it. (Before you blast me or mod me down, my wife is both deaf and blind, so I have experience with both groups.)

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