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Waco, Tekken Re-Interpreted For Exhibit
Thanks to an anonymous reader for pointing to the forthcoming New York unveiling of a game revisiting the 1993 Waco, Texas incident involving the siege of the Branch Davidian cult. The official site for this controversial art exhibit/game, called 'Waco Resurrection', explains: "...gamers enter the mind and form of a resurrected David Koresh... [and] are bombarded with a soundstream of government 'psy-ops', FBI negotiators, [and] the voice of God" as they "voice messianic texts drawn from the book of revelation, wield a variety of weapons from the Mount Carmel cache and influence the behavior of both followers and opponents by radiating a charismatic aura." The creators, C-Level, are also showing their Tekken Torture Tournament exhibit at the same venue, a PlayStation setup that "converts virtual on-screen [Tekken 3] damage into bracing, non-lethal, electric shocks."
Never sleeps.
Video games are now the agitprop primordial soup of a society that may too soon find itself to be populated entirely with drones.
Oh, wait, its Art. Never mind what I just said.
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bradley tanks shooting flames into the buildings...
CJC (and Bill Hicks R.I.P.)
Now, let the wackos come forth with their wild conspiracy theories about how the government killed the Davidians (not Koresh), ignoring the fact that Koresh torched the place, and the only blame the government had was to have someone incompetant like Janet Reno who was unable to apprehend Koresh and prevent this.
research project on the Davidian raid, I don't know I would want to be on the defense side. Not that I think the government was right by killing just about everyone inside, they weren't, but because I don't even want to symbolicaly defend a pedophile.
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The real incident didn't include flame-shooting Bradley's. If they add these, they might as well add green flying Elvises.
Just out of curiosity, since you've studied it, what was the proof of this? It always seemed just as likely to me that the government needed to make him appear to be a bad guy, and that's about as bad as you get.
"He's a religious nut."
"We don't care."
"He hoards weapons."
"We don't care."
"ummmm......He's a pedophile?"
"BURN HIM!"
It's OK, I guess, to look backward (eg to Waco, et al),
but anyone with a social conscience would also do
well to consider what's happening right now, in Oz:
Refugees - including children - are being held
in government detention centres -far- from cities,
in isolated places like Woomera, South Australia.
This game (due in October) focusses on current
suffering, by real people, right now.
Trailer available:
www.EscapeFromWoomer.org
Proof? Not hard to find.
The cult didn't spring up on Monday then get ATF'ed on Tuesday. There were families that left the cult. It sprung up initialy as a disagreement with he 7th Day Adventist Church. There were those that left well before the raids, those that left right before, and those that left during.
Would a 12 year girl and her mother both talking about it not be good enough? If not how about the 14 year old girl and her father? If the testimonies of the victims and their parents who were guilty for allowing it happen wasn't enough how about the evidence from the doctors who examined them?
I am a full supporter of freedom of religion and the second ammendment. If it were just a bunch of religious zealots hoarded up somewhere with weapons thats fine leave them alone. Chances are if you leave them alone they'll leave you alone unless it's a group like the Alquida that wants to kill us all.
No, like many others I wanted to call the cult innocent victims of the government, I really did. After reading about what Howell did I changed my mind. All women on earth are his to claim, hey, if I was in his position and I thought I could get away with that, why not? But when he didn't make a right of passage age that was in the leagal, or even moral bounds they needed to torch him personally. All of his followers in that compound needed to be punished, but not necessarily executed. Guns fine, religion fine, making 12 year old girls wear tampons to stretch them out enough to accept him, burn him.
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Yes, the "Emerald City Times" has articles about the Munchkins being held in detention camps in the vast yellow wastes of Winkie Territory. The tin guards are effectively brutal and effective, and winged monkeys pick off anyone who escapes and looks like they might survive crossing the wastelands.
The government did not intentionally kill anyone. They were trying to get people out. You're a scumbag - stop blaming the government for everything.
I do not blame the government for all of our problems, nor do I think it's the governments place to fix all of them, especially the federal government when the states should be handling their own affairs. I am not a fan of Janet Reno, nor did I completely trust her reasons for being there. This raid could have been better handled, and ultimately I think it was poor handling that caused the tragic ending, regaurdless of who set the fire.
I may be a scum bag, though many disagree, you however are a coward.
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Oh you mean like the painstation or the Xshock controller? Nice to see that even artists aren't above using someone else's idea.
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My god.. how many times are people going to get this wrong... just because some guy on a ranch 45 minutes from Waco goes nuts.. does not mean the town of Waco should be attributed to this incident. If I was on that town council, I would be suing the game maker.
There is art and then there is art in good taste. For some reason, the Virgin Mary's breast depicted in feces and this immersive experience into the world of a megalomaniac just do not seem to be in good taste to me. Nintendo's draconian processes to protect what people do with and produce for their system does not seem all that bad to me after reading this.
Its just someone else cashing in on the death and destruction that pervades our world. What is next, a race from the top of the World Trade Center Towers?
The cancel button is your friend. Do not hesitate to use it.
This is definately an interesting piece of art. Anyone who is interested in the Waco thing needs to see the film "Rules of Engagement", regardless of your views on the 'incident'. A lot of interesting links related to Waco can be found here.
You and an FBI agent enter a testosterone-fueled pissing contest. If you can piss further or FBI agent's cover is blown, they burn you alive.
Well, from personal experience, I can tell you that you don't need to make a video game to experience what it was like on the inside of David Koresh's head. Just take 10x the normal dosage of perscription-grade antidepressant Anafranil for four or five days and you'll be there for a couple weeks.
There is some validity to the Tekken torture idea: I would be very interested to compare the rate of skill increase between a regular player, and one who is subjected to actual electrical punishment. In theory I would think the player being zapped would become the better player since there's a greater incentive to be careful not to get struck.
personally, I think that a race from the top of the WTC towers would kick ass! Better yet, a commandos-style game where you try to blow 'em up.
Don't you get it? It is all just bread and circus now. We, as a culture have far exceeded the bounds of taste in many more explicit ways than this and the only thing that is going to make it stop is when the barbarians at the gate put rome to the torch. I have read The Stranger enough times to realize when it is time to just fiddle...
"Hard as it comes still nobody feels
asleep at the switch and performing like seals
harder and faster - let's rush towards the end
some say they're trying but only pretend
and apathy has frozen my view - hard to hear anything - nothing is true
Nature will punish with sudden despise - man will close his eyes..."
"Anyone who is interested in the Waco thing needs to see the film "Rules of Engagement","
Why? It is a pseudo-documentary that you won't learn anything about. It is like "Chariots of the Gods" or "Jupiter Menace".
don't be a tin foil hat freak
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/topte n2.html#started
the branch davidians were a looney suicide cult that torched themselves. if anyone has any trouble understanding this they need to go back to hiding in their survival bunker and shut the fuck up.
...has anyone put together a Columbine High School map for Quake?
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
This experience does not need to be revisited. I lived in Waco during the events and resurrecting David Koresh and making a martyr out of him is in very poor taste. What happened in Waco was that a local news reporter tipped off the Davidians about an ATF raid, and even though the ATF had lost the element of surprise they stupidly went forward. At the end of the siege I think the Davidians started the fire themselves. I still feel sorry for those brainwashed that stayed. I really feel sorry for the children who died in the fire.
When travelling, it's ok if the airlines lose your emotional baggage.
research project on the Davidian raid, I don't know I would want to be on the defense side. Not that I think the government was right by killing just about everyone inside, they weren't, but because I don't even want to symbolicaly defend a pedophile.
Have you ever asked yourself why they never accused him of sexually abusing children until more than a month after the start of the Siege?
I have, and the only logical answers are more upsetting than what Vernon (the man most people know as David Koresh) was accused of.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
I don't think that most reasonable people dispute that Vernon Howell was among the lowest forms of vermin to ever defile the soil of the US.
That isn't the point of those of us who criticize the government's actions.
It is not a matter for federal law enforcement if someone is molesting children. Has the ATF or FBI ever been to your city to arrest a child molester?
I have been visited by ATF agents in the past, 8 years ago I had two armed ATF agents with "Department of Treasury" badges at my front door because someone fed them inaccurate information about some of my activities. The two gentlemen who came to my home were very professional. They conducted their investigation and in a few hours they discovered that I had broken none of the country's firearms laws, so they left me in peace. I have personal knowledge of how they are supposed to deal with a suspect.
Vernon Howell was known to go jogging in Waco on a regular basis. It would have been very easy to send two or three agents to pick him up on one of those regular jogs. The ATF wanted to make a BIG show of his arrest. "Please new administration, don't cut our budget, we need every dime to protect the country from dangerous people like this. After all, do you think MP5 submachineguns are cheap?"
Their plan backfired on them. It is still contested to this day who fired first. The piece of evidence that would settle that dispute was "lost" be the government. The front doors to the house (I refuse to call it a compound) were LOST by the FBI. The FBI is the most elite law enforcement organization in this country. It looks really suspicious when they "lose" a piece of evidence as important as the frontdoor of the building where several federal law enforcement were killed.
The FBI and ATF lied. They fabricated a report that said that they suspected the Branch Davidians of manufacturing Methanphetimines. The reason for this was so that they could get the US military involved. It is illegal to have the military involved in domestic law enforcement, there is an exemption though for people who manufacture illegal drugs like crank.
So, in the end, even if the Branch Davidians did in fact set fire to their own building the FBI and ATF made enough mistakes to generate enough blame for themselves.
Be it Vernon Howell, Eric Rudolph, Mumia Abu Jamal, Randy Weaver or OJ Simpson, the government has to abide by the RULES. You can not enforce the law by breaking the law.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
go fuck yourself you smarmy little shit.