I was under the impression (having actually read The Mythical Man Month) that the premise actually was "adding manpower to a late software project makes it later" which is not the premise being discussed here.
Not at university, but I finished a computing exam (and passed) with enough time to program my graphics calculator to play a horse racing game, drawing 4 horses and moving them across the screen at a random speed to determine the winner.
Where it not for the fact that you weren`t allowed to talk I'd have taken bets and set up a small gambling stall
I don`t doubt that was the case in the 90's certainly I remember the C64 vs Spectrum, and Amiga Vs Atari ST, So I am well aware that this sort of thing used to happen.
But in those instances Nintendo/sega and Commodore/Sinclair & atari all had their machines out, and you could directly compare them, and not base your judgement on marketese.
In this particular case, 15 years or so on, that this kind of "Marketing" is still being applied.
But something else I feel is that the Console gamers have gotten a little smarter and are aware that Playstation isn`t all its cracked up to be, and will be prepared to see what it can really do before making a decision.
Admittedly you'll still get the GTA and Gran Tourismo fanatics that would buy the PS3 if it had C64 level graphics/abilities;)
His entire sales pitch is to show off pre-rendered movies, on the basis that the real game might look nothing like this but might feature this is a rendered cut scene. And slag off the opposition rather than extolling the (as yet non-existant) qualities of your own (as yet non-existant) hardware.
Christ last time I heard that line of arguments was in a school playground (before they allowed guns:)
J Allard (and Nintendos equiv) has been much more mature, raising the profile of thier own machines. Selling their machines, not slagging off competitors
Not convinced that this is the deal winner at all. All you would really manage to hit is the older Nintendo fans that don`t have their N64 sitting about somewhere.
Personally I've never been a huge fan of Nintendo, so the ability to play their older games wont affect my decision as to which next gen console I'm going to be buying
And this is harcking back some, maybe someone can remember. There is a C64 magazine called Zzap 64 and in the back they would have a comic strip, and in one of these they described the God Game.
A real God Game, one where there's a nice inhabitted world, and you have godly powers to summon whatever you please to aid, or (more likely) hinder the people of the world.
Thats what I want
I want to perform evil "acts-of-god" dropping large rocks on groups of people etc.
Even controlling religion, bringing back sacrifical ceremonies.
That would be fun.
CJC (I'd get out more but I'm worried about the falling rocks)
Clearly it's so bad that many people are using it other than, say... Apple, Linux, freeBSD, SunOS... I could go on.
And of course that all depends on your definition of bad.
Being expensive could be bad, being difficult to set up and configure could be bad. Not being able to play little jimmy's favourite game, could be bad.
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I was under the impression (having actually read The Mythical Man Month) that the premise actually was "adding manpower to a late software project makes it later" which is not the premise being discussed here.
never get first post with a 20 minute lag.
CJC
Ah, you too have fallen for the anti-virus makers whining about MS Kernal patch protection.
Not at university, but I finished a computing exam (and passed) with enough time to program my graphics calculator to play a horse racing game, drawing 4 horses and moving them across the screen at a random speed to determine the winner.
Where it not for the fact that you weren`t allowed to talk I'd have taken bets and set up a small gambling stall
CJC
stardocks galactic civ and also Ragdoll kung fu
thankyouverymuch
CJC
hear that?
Thats the joke going over your head.
CJC
and it's probably one that you've never played.
Has the world and its fucking dog just had a mind blank here.
the dev kits for the Xbox 360 was.......
Drumroll
A PowerMac!
Well if it was anything like last time you wouldn`t and didn`t want to get involved until Japan blew your navy out of the fucking water
Londoners are well aware of terrorist attacks, for a long while a lot of you yanks were funding this little organisation that called itself the IRA.
yeah but who advertises something as
'hey everybody buy this "thing", you can use it to kill people'
the distinction that is being made is the "... object of promoting its use..."
You would advertise a gun as a recreational item, or a defensive tool. Not as a killing machine
CJC
Not like Sony's current stance of producing nothing of substance, whilst slagging off the competition.
I don`t doubt that was the case in the 90's certainly I remember the C64 vs Spectrum, and Amiga Vs Atari ST, So I am well aware that this sort of thing used to happen.
But in those instances Nintendo/sega and Commodore/Sinclair & atari all had their machines out, and you could directly compare them, and not base your judgement on marketese.
In this particular case, 15 years or so on, that this kind of "Marketing" is still being applied.
CJC
Yeah OK replying to my own post.
;)
But something else I feel is that the Console gamers have gotten a little smarter and are aware that Playstation isn`t all its cracked up to be, and will be prepared to see what it can really do before making a decision.
Admittedly you'll still get the GTA and Gran Tourismo fanatics that would buy the PS3 if it had C64 level graphics/abilities
CJC
His entire sales pitch is to show off pre-rendered movies, on the basis that the real game might look nothing like this but might feature this is a rendered cut scene. And slag off the opposition rather than extolling the (as yet non-existant) qualities of your own (as yet non-existant) hardware.
:)
Christ last time I heard that line of arguments was in a school playground (before they allowed guns
J Allard (and Nintendos equiv) has been much more mature, raising the profile of thier own machines. Selling their machines, not slagging off competitors
CJC
Every PS3 E3 Demo was prerendered.... and not on a PS3.
Ooh heres some pictures of what it might look like.
bullshit, and they won best hardware for *that*
So MS showed demos running on "underspecced" dev kits, PS3 showed prerendered "this is what it might look like" demos. Nintendo didn`t show anything.
Christ I'm surprised they didn`t hand the best hardware prize to the Phantom...
And this "Something" would be what exactly?? Some mythical piece of software that has not and could never be created.
The only way to ensure that a PC never propogates anything is to never turn the damn thing on.
CJC
Not convinced that this is the deal winner at all. All you would really manage to hit is the older Nintendo fans that don`t have their N64 sitting about somewhere.
Personally I've never been a huge fan of Nintendo, so the ability to play their older games wont affect my decision as to which next gen console I'm going to be buying
CJC
Xbox Live Arcade
I can download another version of zelda.
Fan-fecking-tastic
CJC
And this is harcking back some, maybe someone can remember. There is a C64 magazine called Zzap 64 and in the back they would have a comic strip, and in one of these they described the God Game.
A real God Game, one where there's a nice inhabitted world, and you have godly powers to summon whatever you please to aid, or (more likely) hinder the people of the world.
Thats what I want
I want to perform evil "acts-of-god" dropping large rocks on groups of people etc.
Even controlling religion, bringing back sacrifical ceremonies.
That would be fun.
CJC (I'd get out more but I'm worried about the falling rocks)
given that the controller ports were essentially modified looking USB slots, and the Xbox360 has usb slots, this may actually be possible
Ok I'll feed ya,
So is that how my PC can emulate:
spectrum
C64
Amiga
BBC
Apple
many types of nintendo
many types of sega
Arcade machines
Playstation
Clearly it's so bad that many people are using it other than, say... Apple, Linux, freeBSD, SunOS... I could go on.
And of course that all depends on your definition of bad.
Being expensive could be bad, being difficult to set up and configure could be bad. Not being able to play little jimmy's favourite game, could be bad.
CJC
and so by "Making a good product" Apple then controls, and is winning at all costs...
sigh
CJC